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Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:48 am

Shows that intolerance-on both sides of this issue-is alive and well in the world.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a...31409990006?ncid=NWS00010000000001

Yes, this landscaper has the right under Houston law, to do this. But in 2006 to be so narrow-minded, bigoted and, well, un-Christianlike, is truly sad.

And it's just as sad to see the vile threats he and his family have gotten over this incident.

A bit of advice to the Farbers: Christ told his Disciples that he who is without sin cast the first stone, and He didn't die on the cross so that you could belittle your fellow man.

And a bit of advice to those who threatened him and his family: get a life, and ask yourself if YOU would want to hear such language tossed at you and yours.

Truly sad.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:52 am

They can choose to do business with whomever they want. Just the same, the gay couple had every right to start this boycott.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:58 am

Last time I checked Houston is in America and you can render services for whomever you want. I worked for a contractor for a while a few years ago. We got a contract to rebuild a section of tha strip club that had burned down, but we had to get a different carpet guy to do the carpeting than we normally do. Why? He ran a christian business, and he had a moral issue with the strip club. Kudos to the garden guy for standing up for what he believes in. I guarantee his business will not suffer because of this. He is in the heart of christian conservative Texas. Most likely he will have to hire more illegals to pick up the additional workload that he will see in the future.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:00 am

Hmm, I don't think that he was very "nice" per se in what he did, but he was polite and obviously did not want an uproar. That at least counts for something.

On the other side, the couple did not just go straight to reporters or threaten anyone, so that's good. The people in the 200 that the message was forwarded to obviously leaked it and then the uproar was caused, so I'd blame them the most I think.

Perhaps the man had many customers to choose from and decided to not choose to work for the ones he felt least comfortable around. Though his wording was crude, it was not in the least mean.

To me this thing is being blown out of the water. I think both parties were handling it well until it got to the media.

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:10 am

Well if you want to refuse work that is completly your right. You would think that the landscaper could have said: "thanks but we will not be able to accomodate your request" and leave it at that.

Imagine if the landscaper would have said "Mexicans" or "Blacks" instead!
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
Kudos to the garden guy for standing up for what he believes in.

No one who practices ignorance and bigotry should be congratulated. They should be condemned-not threatened- but condemned-for treating their fellow man with such contempt.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:13 am

I wonder how forgiving people would have been if this bigoted "christian" decided that he was not going to serve customers who were jewish or african-american ... but since it's "only" gays being discriminated against it's not really worth making a fuss ,is it?
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:14 am

Having just read the story in the link above. This is one unfortunate story that got flying all over the place. Well, generally speaking, it happens -- not too often from a business perspective, but too often from the general public's perspective. I understand that the couple were seeking landscaping service and received one e-mail reply that they did not like. The reply was not necessary - maybe e-mail reply is not needed in the first place? My question is how did they know about the couple being gay. For once, we have to remember that gay is not a bad word overall. Personally speaking, I would not spread the e-mail reply to anyone but myself (and perhaps find another landscape business).
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:19 am

The Farbers (landscapers in question) are idiots. They asked for this storm of controversy because they publicly turned down a job and said the reason was that the homeowners were gay.

Why didn't they simply turn the job down without that unnecessary jab?
No reason need be given.

Another thing. Why have all the religious literature on their website anyway? It seems to me that they were looking for a fight instead of looking for customers.

I may disagree with homosexuals, their agenda, or whatnot, but I will gladly treat them equally as my patients, hire them, be served at restaurants by them, or use their places of business. Hell, my DJ at my wedding was a flaming, and I specifically sought him out as he was the top DJ for weddings in the DFW area.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 3):
On the other side, the couple did not just go straight to reporters or threaten anyone, so that's good. The people in the 200 that the message was forwarded to obviously leaked it and then the uproar was caused, so I'd blame them the most I think.

Leaked? They passed it on so people would know that these landscapers were bigotted in their business practices. There is nothing wrong with that.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 3):
Perhaps the man had many customers to choose from and decided to not choose to work for the ones he felt least comfortable around. Though his wording was crude, it was not in the least mean.

Of course it was mean. It was nasty, bigotted and downright rude. I hope these guys go out of business. BTW, it was a her, not a him, who wrote it.
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 4):
Imagine if the landscaper would have said "Mexicans" or "Blacks" instead!

 yes  I wonder what would have happenend... but it is ok to discriminate against the GLBT communities.....The Bible says so.....  sarcastic 

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:42 am

Man, turning down jobs because of sexual orientation? That's pretty dumb. Gays spend big $$$$$$ on landscaping (my partner and I certainly just did).

Yeah, it's their right as a company to do business with whom they please. But actually telling them the real reason? Dumb.

And somehow I don't think the plants give a $hit who sleeps with who. Whatever.

But "we are Crusaders for Christ"????

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 11):
Man, turning down jobs because of sexual orientation? That's pretty dumb. Gays spend big $$$$$$ on landscaping (my partner and I certainly just did).

It is dumb for ANY home improvement business to ignore gay people.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 11):
"we are Crusaders for Christ"????




makes you feel kind of sorry for jesus - with friends like these people who needs enemies
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:08 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
No one who practices ignorance and bigotry should be congratulated

He told the truth. Whats the big deal? He is practicing what he believes the Bible says. Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

As a Christian myself, I say yes, this one is. The Bible New Testament doesn't teach that: it teaches "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

The form of Christianity he's practicing isn't what Christianity is about.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
says. Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

I dont think anyone here is generalizing. These particular Christians are bigots and ignorant. I am sure that there are many that are not. and i am sure that there are many like Ted Haggard as well...
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
He told the truth. Whats the big deal? He is practicing what he believes the Bible says. Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

Put it this way: Do you think Jesus (a carpenter) would tell someone, "no, I won't build you a barn (or whatever) because you are gay"???

I'm finding it difficult to believe He would.
 
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
No one who practices ignorance and bigotry should be congratulated. They should be condemned-not threatened- but condemned-for treating their fellow man with such contempt.

I agree that they should not be congratulated, nor should the be threatened. They were NOT smart to cite their beliefs when refusing work - it should have been a simple, "No thank you, we're not interested," and left at that.

But why bother to treat them with contempt, either? They DO have the right to determine who they'll work for, even if the reason is ridiculous to most people.

I find it distasteful that anyone feels the landscaper should be tarred and feathered over this. They may be "wrong," but ultimately it's their RIGHT to be "wrong."

As the landscaper said in the article, the crowd of "tolerance and diversity" is not always so tolerant when all is said and done.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

That kind is.
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:12 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
They passed it on so people would know that these landscapers were bigotted in their business practices. There is nothing wrong with that.

And now it's a big stink because it's spread all over the globe.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Of course it was mean. It was nasty, bigotted and downright rude. I hope these guys go out of business. BTW, it was a her, not a him, who wrote it.

While I do NOT agree with her approach, she dot say "How effiing dare you you $(#$* ^#$%^*& #^$%^#*&^$#% $&#&*(# I'm gonna burn you at the stake and then sacrifice some virgins." That would be mean. While you might consider what he did to SHOW HATE, it was NOT lashing out. Simply concise and rude.

Sorry for screwing up with the gender as you so kindly caught and sorry for not responding. I was tired (3 hours of sleep  Sad ) so I went to bed. Dang physics tests. Bah.

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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:28 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
Kudos to the garden guy for standing up for what he believes in.

Yeah, good call! Same deal for Hitler! What a bullshit excuse for a reprehensible action....oh he was just standing up for his 'beliefs'. While he has every right to choose his projects, I have every right to wish the piece of shit goes bankrupt.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
He is practicing what he believes the Bible says.

Haha, wheres the passage: "don't landscape for fags" ?

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

No, just you- if you believe the filth you're spewing.
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:31 am

Reminds me of a local self-employed mechanic who was so angered by Pearl Harbor that he refused to work on Japanese cars well into the 1980's.

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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:33 am

What's the difference b/w this business owners and pharmacists refusing to sell the morning-after pills to women who ask for it?
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:53 am

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 21):
No, just you- if you believe the filth you're spewing

You have no idea who I am or what I believe in. I was simply saying that as a business owner he has the right to refuse service to anyone that he wants to, for any reason that he wants to. Welcome to the land of free enterprise. I am sure that the couple found someone else to take care of their yard. It really isn't that big of a deal, but some bleeding heart lib decided to make a huge deal of it. Let it go.
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:54 am

While I obviously disagree with the business' choice to deny their services based on the sexual orientation of the clients, I think what has happened now is unacceptable.

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All the hate, the threats of sodomizing my children, the threats of me being murdered, came out because of a very businesslike straightforward e-mail I sent. The crowd of tolerance and diversity is not so tolerant."

While I can certainly understand where the protesters are coming from, this is definitely taking it too far. I think that a simple boycott (which is how it seemed to start out) would have been enough.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 3):
Hmm, I don't think that he was very "nice" per se in what he did, but he was polite and obviously did not want an uproar. That at least counts for something.

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I think that what the business owner did was wrong, but I think the email that was allegedly sent was at least mature and honest.

As a side note, I think the city of Houston should consider changing the laws they have about business' discrimination towards GLBT couples.
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 4):
You would think that the landscaper could have said: "thanks but we will not be able to accomodate your request" and leave it at that.

Bingo.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
I wonder how forgiving people would have been if this bigoted "christian" decided that he was not going to serve customers who were jewish or african-american ... but since it's "only" gays being discriminated against it's not really worth making a fuss ,is it?

Because they're are quite a few people out there who believe that being gay fundamentally involves a choice.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 17):
Do you think Jesus (a carpenter) would tell someone, "no, I won't build you a barn (or whatever) because you are gay"???

I'm finding it difficult to believe He would.

I agree. He wouldn't. But He would also give them the gospel. He is loving enough to accept them as any other human being and sovereign enough to give the gospel with authority - which would have involved identifying sin as sin, as He so clearly, as God, has done in both OT (which gays love to describe as antiquated - forgetting that the laws given in, say, Leviticus, were given to a people under a Theocracy - and none of us are under a direct Theocracy today) and NT (which still adheres to God's same principles of what's holy and what is sinful, just like in the OT).

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 18):
it should have been a simple, "No thank you, we're not interested," and left at that.

Again, bingo.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 21):
I have every right to wish the piece of shit goes bankrupt.

Sure you do. But what will you do if their business even further prospers?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
They can choose to do business with whomever they want. Just the same, the gay couple had every right to start this boycott.

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Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Yes, this landscaper has the right under Houston law, to do this. But in 2006 to be so narrow-minded, bigoted and, well, un-Christianlike, is truly sad.

Well, at least you still acknowledge his freedom of speech.

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Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 24):
You have no idea who I am or what I believe in. I was simply saying that as a business owner he has the right to refuse service to anyone that he wants to, for any reason that he wants to

So you would be ok with them syaing sorry we will not work for black people?


Homophobia is the last acceptable type of bigotry. Things that people accept being done to the GLBT community are not acceptable against any other group. You know it was not that long ago,like the 1950's that people justified their bigotry against the black community with the bible. Bigotry is bigotry...no matter who or what group it against and it is our duty as citizens to stand up to bigots and say "no that nis not acceptable"
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:51 pm

as a christian i'm appalled by this sort of behaviour and thinking. when will we christians stop and take the time to think and truly follow the example of christ? when will we remember that his message was about loving people? when will we remember that he was usually found with people who were considered the dregs of society?

and for the poster who mentioned laying a carpet in a strip club. this is so not the same thing.
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 22):
Reminds me of a local self-employed mechanic who was so angered by Pearl Harbor that he refused to work on Japanese cars well into the 1980's.

This is proof that stupidity is timeless.

As for these two Christian nuts, they're not good business people; last time I looked, the dollars in my wallet and bank account are just as green as everyone else's. They could have quietly, and gracefully, bowed out of the job, but they choose to to be stupid and spew off on their antiquated view points. Now they have gay nuts threatening to kill them.

And lady, DO NOT elevate yourself to the level of Christ. He was your savior; you're just an idiot with a rake.
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:15 am

The landscaping business is one of the largest employers of illegals as regular or day workers (Mexicans and others) in the USA. I would be willing to bet that this landscaper, like almost all others, uses illegal workers, exploiting them for cheap wages, no benefits, if they get hurt they are screwed, all for him to stay in business and make money. THAT isn't very 'Christian' either.

I could understand if he didn't want to do landscaping for the site of a public Gay/Lesbian organization or a business that openly caters to those groups or something like a 'gentlemans club' or an adult book and video/DVD store. But at a private home is just stupid. I am quite sure they won't hit on his workers.
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 28):
as a christian i'm appalled by this sort of behaviour and thinking. when will we christians stop and take the time to think and truly follow the example of christ? when will we remember that his message was about loving people? when will we remember that he was usually found with people who were considered the dregs of society?

This is a perfect example of what christianity should strive to achieve. Kudos to you Aerofan.
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:03 am

Can you imagine if the situation were reversed? Hell, if the gay guys were the landscape owners and refused to work for the Farbers because they're evangelical Christians, the gays would get much more than death threats... the so-called Christian mob would storm their place with pitchforks and crucifixes and lynch them.

And actually there are a lot of gay-owned landscaping companies. The guys probably should have given their business to their own kind in the first place.

What nutcases (the Farbers).


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Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:11 am

Folks, I've been living in Texas for decades and this kind of anti-gay shit is still common. I'm not gay myself, but I still get to hear lots of anti-gay rhetoric all the time down here. Don't forget that gay sex was illegal in Texas until the (previous) Supreme Court struck down the law a couple years ago. Since then Texas has legally banned both gay marriage and gay civil unions. Long story short, Texas hates gays. These landscapers knew what they were getting into and they welcomed the publicity. Conservative Fundamentalist Evangelical views earn more business in Texas, not less. Having trouble attracting potential customers in Texas? Why not put up some Jesus fish signs and try appealing to something other than business logic?
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting TX" class=quote target=_blank>SATX (Reply 33):
Why not put up some Jesus fish signs and try appealing to something other than business logic?

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I can see the signboards outside various TX businesses now:

Bud Light 12pk $6.99
We don't serve fags

Early Bird Special 7-9am $19.99
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting TX" class=quote target=_blank>SATX (Reply 33):
Long story short, Texas hates gays.

Yikes! Remind me again, is TX still part of the US? Perhaps TX [along with any other part of Jesus-freakdom] should form its own "Kingdom of Christ". No faggots allowed, mandatory prayer every morning, those "guilty" of pre-marital sex and "self-pollution" subject to time in the public stockades...

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Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
A bit of advice to the Farbers: Christ told his Disciples that he who is without sin cast the first stone, and He didn't die on the cross so that you could belittle your fellow man.

Wonder what he woud think if this guy came to mow his lawn
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:07 pm

it definately seems like both sides were looking for publicity. the gay couple could have seen from the garden guy website that the farbers included language condemning homosexuality, yet still sought them out and the Farbers could have been far more discreet in witholding services.

both sides wanted the battle.

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:09 am

Quoting TNNH (Reply 37):
it definately seems like both sides were looking for publicity. the gay couple could have seen from the garden guy website that the farbers included language condemning homosexuality, yet still sought them out and the Farbers could have been far more discreet in witholding services.

both sides wanted the battle.

TNNH

For all we know they just found them in the yellow pages. Even so, just because they quote scripture on their website, it doesn't necessarily mean they'd refuse business due to their clients' sexual orientation.

Personally I think it was quite inappropriate for the Farbers to say why they were refusing. They certainly have every right, but it's rude and insulting. I suspect that in some sort of twisted way they thought that they would be witnessing the Biblical truth to the couple. Maybe they thought that the couple would realize the sin of their ways if they couldn't find a landscape company.

As for the response by the couple, I would have done the same. Keep in mind, the couple didn't issue the death threats, those were from other people who clearly didn't have any more sense of what is appropriate than the Farber's do. If the Farbers want to shun homosexuals, then I think it's perfectly appropriate that they should be shunned by homosexuals and gay-friendly people. Its becoming less and less acceptable to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and any business that wishes to do so should have to deal with the consequences. The Farbers shouldn't weep now that people know their anti-gay policies and don't want to do business with them anymore. If it's a problem for them, then they should remove that policy.
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:30 am

First let me say that I think refusing to landscape someone's yard based on homosexuality is ridiculous.

However, the death threats and such are absolutely reprehensible. After all, in no way were the gay couple's lives threatened by this one company refusing to bid. We're not talking about a refusal to render medical aid or legal help--we're talking about trimming bushes here. Lives were not in jeopardy, and I'm sure competition for landscapers in Texas is such that there was no economic loss to the couple either.

The lady, as moronic as she sounds, gave a simple answer. She did not tell the couple to "burn in hell" or stage an anti-gay protest, which would have serious ramifications in terms of trying to sway public opinion. It was a private (so she thought) conversation between her and the couple.
 
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:27 am

You know with the publicity that is going on right now, I suspect the free market will determine if the policy goes on or not.
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):

He told the truth. Whats the big deal? He is practicing what he believes the Bible says. Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

Where in the bible does it say not to landscape a gay couple's house? Or anything remotely similar to that??? These people are bigots and I'm glad that they are getting boycotted. Its the same thing as saying, "I wont work for you because you are black/latino/arab/jewish...". Really, if you want to give christianity a good name, you should treat people kindly and equally.....

Sadly, I am not that surprised because hey, its Texas and thats the mentality over there. All I can say is thank God for the East and West Coasts.  Smile

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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Yes, this landscaper has the right under Houston law, to do this. But in 2006 to be so narrow-minded, bigoted and, well, un-Christianlike, is truly sad.

And it's just as sad to see the vile threats he and his family have gotten over this incident.

As Texdravid notes below, the idiot landscaper brought it on himself. All he had to do is not respond to the request for bids. His affirmative act to reject the request in tha manner he did was unnecessary and uncalled for.

That said, the threats he received were absurd and reprehensible.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
They can choose to do business with whomever they want. Just the same, the gay couple had every right to start this boycott.

Yep. Nothing wrong with the boycott. Landscaper brought it on himself.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8):
The Farbers (landscapers in question) are idiots. They asked for this storm of controversy because they publicly turned down a job and said the reason was that the homeowners were gay.

Ding, ding, ding! we have a winner!

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
He told the truth. Whats the big deal? He is practicing what he believes the Bible says. Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

Why did he have to state a reason for saying no? Are you saying that the lasndscaper would have been lying by refusing to respond to the proposal for services?

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 18):
I agree that they should not be congratulated, nor should the be threatened. They were NOT smart to cite their beliefs when refusing work - it should have been a simple, "No thank you, we're not interested," and left at that.

People refuse offers of work all the time without stating a reason for it. That is what the landscaper should have done here.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 22):
Reminds me of a local self-employed mechanic who was so angered by Pearl Harbor that he refused to work on Japanese cars well into the 1980's.

Mark

My dad has refused to own Japanese cars, and I suspect it is the same thing. Of course, I've never owned an American car - Swedish, German and currently Japanese, but he's never said a thing. He probably doesn't like my choices, but unlike the landscaper, my dad is smart enough to keep his thoughts to himself.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 32):
Can you imagine if the situation were reversed? Hell, if the gay guys were the landscape owners and refused to work for the Farbers because they're evangelical Christians, the gays would get much more than death threats... the so-called Christian mob would storm their place with pitchforks and crucifixes and lynch them.

The fallacy of your hypothetical is that an evangelical Christian would probably never ask a gay landscaper to bid on his project in the first place.  biggrin 
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 50):
As Texdravid notes below, the idiot landscaper brought it on himself.

As the original author of the comment noted, she actually brought more business upon herself. Calling her an idiot is being far too kind; this woman knew exactly what she was doing and benefited from her shrewd business decision and inherent callousness.

Here in Texas...

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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:59 am

Quoting AA777 (Reply 44):
All I can say is thank God for the East and West Coasts.

well . . . at least the west coast.  Smile

Right now, the east coast is inhabited with Texans that hold too much power.
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 54):
Right now, the east coast is inhabited with Texans that hold too much power.

Them are fightin' words, boy.
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 55):
Them are fightin' words, boy.

Oh yeah? Did I tell you I like the ARMY too?  Smile
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 57):
Oh yeah? Did I tell you I like the ARMY too?

Hahaha...pushin' the limits, huh?  Big grin
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 53):
God is a Republican, liberals are jesters of the Devil, and gays are not welcome (to put it nicely).

I would hope you get over your persecutory complex about living in Texas. In any event, if you want any consolation, did you see how close Democrats came to unseating Perry for governor?

Because of the very same demographic changes seen earlier in California, Texas and Florida will become first purple, then Blue in the next 10 years.

Meanwhile California is "bleeding" blue into the mountain states, making them less monolithic red.

Urban, blue areas are growing faster than rural, red areas.
Relax, SATX, I predict a Democratic majority for the future, IF the Republican keep going down their evangelical road to doom.
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RE: Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 59):
Urban, blue areas are growing faster than rural, red areas.
Relax, SATX, I predict a Democratic majority for the future, IF the Republican keep going down their evangelical road to doom

I agree completely. the SO and I were having this very discussion today during our return from Cape Henry. If the GOP doesn't shake the evangelical hold on the party, it will sink into permanent minority status within a decade.
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