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Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:03 am

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s/111106dnnatburrito.243f7f19.html

03:01 PM CST on Friday, November 10, 2006
Associated Press

WORCESTER, Mass. - Is a burrito a sandwich?

The Panera Bread Co. bakery-and-cafe chain says yes. But a judge said no, ruling against Panera in its bid to prevent a Mexican restaurant from moving into the same shopping mall.

Panera has a clause in its lease that prevents the White City Shopping Center in Shrewsbury from renting to another sandwich shop. Panera tried to invoke that clause to stop the opening of an Qdoba Mexican Grill.

But Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Locke cited Webster's Dictionary as well as testimony from a chef and a former high-ranking federal agriculture official in ruling that Qdoba's burritos and other offerings are not sandwiches.

The difference, the judge ruled, comes down to two slices of bread versus one tortilla.

"A sandwich is not commonly understood to include burritos, tacos and quesadillas, which are typically made with a single tortilla and stuffed with a choice filling of meat, rice, and beans," Locke wrote in a decision released last week.

In court papers, Panera, a St. Louis-based chain of more than 900 cafes, argued for a broad definition of a sandwich, saying that a flour tortilla is bread and that a food product with bread and a filling is a sandwich.

Qdoba, owned by San Diego-based Jack in the Box Inc., called food experts to testify on its behalf.

Among them was Cambridge chef Chris Schlesinger, who said in an affidavit: "I know of no chef or culinary historian who would call a burrito a sandwich. Indeed, the notion would be absurd to any credible chef or culinary historian."
 
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:18 am

It absolutely is not a sandwich.

But Panera's Bacon Turkey Bravo sure is!!! Delicious!!  cloudnine 
 
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:21 am

It ain't a sandwich. It *might* be construed as a "wrap" to some people. I call them "tasty".
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Thread starter):
Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Good Point.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:26 am

A burrito is NOT a sandwich. It's an appetizer.

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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:40 am

And thus, the reason to never get tex-mex in the north east... some people there apparently don't even know what a burrito is.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 5):
And thus, the reason to never get tex-mex in the north east... some people there apparently don't even know what a burrito is.

Hell, I know what they are; I just think dogs should be household pets, not entrees. Wink
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 5):
And thus, the reason to never get tex-mex in the north east... some people there apparently don't even know what a burrito is.

Tex-Mex? Excuse us? Burritos are NOT Tex-Mex!!

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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:33 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
I call them "tasty".

Not many people would be daring enough to call Qdoba tasty.

Not many people would also call a tortilla filled with 49 pounds of rice a "burrito".
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):

Tex-Mex? Excuse us? Burritos are NOT Tex-Mex!!

Signed,

36 million Californians.

We were a state first. We get english naming rights to our bastardized mexican cooking.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:48 am

FINALLY! A debate worth waging! Step aside, merry x-mas v. happy holidays...
 
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 9):
We were a state first. We get english naming rights to our bastardized mexican cooking.

He have more money, so we get English naming rights.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:56 am

It's a burrito not a sandwich. Screw Panera! They need to put some more meat on their sandwiches. Only place I know where you walk out just as hungry as you walk in.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
It's a burrito not a sandwich. Screw Panera! They need to put some more meat on their sandwiches. Only place I know where you walk out just as hungry as you walk in.

The Panera I go to loads up the sandwich...I'm always stuffed 

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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
He have more money, so we get English naming rights.

Only if you buy the naming rights form us.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:21 am

In no way shape or form is a burrito a sandwich. Let Qdoba in! That place rocks
 
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:10 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 5):
And thus, the reason to never get tex-mex in the north east... some people there apparently don't even know what a burrito is.

Sounds like they knew exactly what it was; they just hoped the judge would be too stupid to see their smokescreen for what it was. Typical business bullshit, just like here in the south.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Tex-Mex? Excuse us? Burritos are NOT Tex-Mex!!

Signed,

36 million Californians.

Don't bring up that horrible Cal-Mex nonsense. When cilantro is the spiciest thing on your plate...

Proper Mexican fusion goes in this order:

1. NM-Mex
2. TX-Mex
3. AZ-Mex
4. CA-Mex
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Thread starter):
WORCESTER, Mass. - Is a burrito a sandwich?

I rest my case...
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:44 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Thread starter):
WORCESTER, Mass. - Is a burrito a sandwich?

I rest my case...

One could see why a bunch of boiled dinner scrod eatin' yanquis might have this problem....see, there's something wrong when you even have to ask the question.

FYI:

The burrito becomes courtly

Sandwich may lose marginal constituent

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Back when this country was still a colony of England, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were sitting around one day, daydreaming out loud about what they would want to see if their insurgency was successful in ousting the British from America.

They agreed they wanted a place where people, not kings, would rule. It would be a nice place, a happy place where people would have life and liberty and get to enjoy the pursuit of happiness.

But this nation would not be a free-for-all. There would have to be courts, just in case one man’s pursuit of happiness interfered with another man’s pursuit.



The men did not realize it at the time, but their discussion foreshadowed an event 230 years later that would lead to Worcester Superior Court ruling on what defines a sandwich.

“Explain to me again why we would need this legal system,” Thomas Jefferson asked.

Mr. Jefferson believed in letting people do their own thing. Mr. Adams was more practical.

“Some day, Tommy boy,” John Adams replied, “someone will want to know if a burrito is a sandwich. They will want to know what the legal definition of a sandwich is. Our courts will decide that case.”

Mr. Jefferson smiled, because he knew John tended to be a little overly dramatic sometimes.

“The courts would never consider anything so trivial,” he thought to himself. “Courts would be needed, but mainly to decide issues of property, legal responsibility in horse cart crashes, or whether one silversmith was stealing the copyrighted design of another silversmith. Those were big issues.”

“John, my friend, I agree with you on the need for courts, but what is a burrito, anyway?” he added out loud.

“Well Tom, a burrito is a tasty fast food from the Spanish colonies down south. It is a flat cake called a tortilla wrapped around food, especially beans, cheese and maybe meat, Mr. Adams said.

“So it’s a sandwich,” Mr. Jefferson said.

“No, Tom,” Mr. Adams replied in an exasperated tone. “I told you it is made with a tortilla. Sandwiches are made with bread. A tortilla is a cake.”

“Well, how was I supposed to know?”

“Well if you would just listen, Tom. The key ingredient in a sandwich is two slices of a food, defined by young Noah Webster’s New World College Dictionary, as baked from a leavened, kneaded dough made with flour or meal, water and yeast. Or, it is any baked food like bread, but made with a batter, such as quick breads or corn bread.”

“With cinnamon and raisins?”

“Fine, Tom, sometimes. We know how much you enjoy your cinnamon and raisin bread. But please focus for a minute. A tortilla is a cake because, like certain types of cakes, by definition it is a small, flat mass of dough or batter, or some hashed food that is baked or fried. Cake, of course, is also a mixture of flour, eggs, sugar, etc. baked in a loaf, often covered with icing.”

“With cinnamon and raisins?”

“No Tom. I don’t think they make cinnamon and raisin cakes.”

OK. Whatever. But we at least agree that courts will be needed in our new country,” Mr. Jefferson said.

“Agreed. Now, moving on. What about the slavery issue?” Mr. Adams asked. “I say we should not allow slaves in our new nation. It makes us look bad.”

“I don’t know,” Mr. Jefferson said. “I can’t make up my mind. Could that issue be decided by the courts?”

“What about women’s rights?”

“The courts.”

“Legalization of marijuana for purposes other than rope making?’

“The courts.”

“Hey John, do you think a pita salad is a sandwich?”

“Hmmm. Maybe if you add mayo.”

“I don’t know. It isn’t made from two slices of bread. So what do you think, John?”

“Let the courts decide.”

“Probably, but this could get real complicated. If you think the burrito issue is a problem, what about a six-layered Dagwood sandwich? There are a lot more than two slices of bread in it, but they call it a sandwich.”

“You’re right, Tom. It is complicated. Is a hamburger on a bun a sandwich? I’m thinking it is meat and the bun is extraneous. That would be another good one for the courts.”

“You know what I’m thinking, John?”

“What, Tom.”

“I’m thinking all this talk of food is making me hungry. I could go for some soup, maybe corn chowder.”

“I prefer clam chowder, Tom, but that makes me wonder. Is chowder soup? What would the courts say?”
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting TX" class=quote target=_blank>SATX (Reply 16):
Don't bring up that horrible Cal-Mex nonsense. When cilantro is the spiciest thing on your plate...

Um, I think the exact opposite. Any Tex-Mex I have had, and I have had it in Houston, Amarillo, El Paso and San Antonio, has been as mild as an ice cube. I mean, Queso Dip? On the other hand, I regularly eat habanero salsa in California

Quoting TX" class=quote target=_blank>SATX (Reply 16):
1. NM-Mex
2. TX-Mex
3. AZ-Mex
4. CA-Mex

More like this:

CA-Mex
NM-Mex (which is not the same as New Mexican Food, which is really good)
AZ-Mex






TX-Mex
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Um, I think the exact opposite. Any Tex-Mex I have had, and I have had it in Houston, Amarillo, El Paso and San Antonio, has been as mild as an ice cube. I mean, Queso Dip? On the other hand, I regularly eat habanero salsa in California

I'm beginning to worry about your culinary tastes there Alireza.

You went off on Queso Dip on BHM too... and I was equally befuddled there. You see, Queso Dip isn't really Tex-Mex cooking. It's a creation of chain restaurants to fill appetizer space. Here's the other hangup.. Tex-Mex cooking isn't a BTU contest. If you want super spicy food go eat Thai or Indian. Now, if you really want to base your claims about Tex-Mex cooking off of the offerings of chain restaurants, that's your call... But I'll stick with the stuff I find in little hole in the wall places. You know, the places that sell to actual Mexicans instead of making a bland menu that can appease a wide variety of taste dead Americans in other states.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 20):
But I'll stick with the stuff I find in little hole in the wall places. You know, the places that sell to actual Mexicans instead of making a bland menu that can appease a wide variety of taste dead Americans in other states

The best way to figure this out is to go about lunchtime or about 4 in the afternoon when folks get off of work. Take a peek at who's eating. If it's gringos, pass it up.


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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 20):
You know, the places that sell to actual Mexicans instead of making a bland menu that can appease a wide variety of taste dead Americans in other states.

Well, that would be just plain Mexican food, wouldn't it?  Wink

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 20):
But I'll stick with the stuff I find in little hole in the wall places.

Absolutely.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Um, I think the exact opposite. Any Tex-Mex I have had, and I have had it in Houston, Amarillo, El Paso and San Antonio, has been as mild as an ice cube. I mean, Queso Dip? On the other hand, I regularly eat habanero salsa in California

Here in SAT I pour the fresh salsa over my plate and feel the burn. It's great. If you don't see fresh salsa, then you're probably eating at some gringo-friendly place where the patrons are too ignorant to know any better.

If you know of some good Mexican restaurants in CA then pass 'em my way; I'm always willing to give it another try. Of course, if you want true spicy, then NM is your best bet, pure and simple.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
Here in SAT I pour the fresh salsa over my plate and feel the burn. It's great. If you don't see fresh salsa, then you're probably eating at some gringo-friendly place where the patrons are too ignorant to know any better.

The only thing better that fresh salsa is fresh guacamole

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
If you know of some good Mexican restaurants in CA then pass 'em my way; I'm always willing to give it another try. Of course, if you want true spicy, then NM is your best bet, pure and simple.

NM spicy? I don't know if any Mexican food can really be called spicy after you have had a nice hot vindaloo or something from a Thai restaurant.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:34 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
NM spicy? I don't know if any Mexican food can really be called spicy after you have had a nice hot vindaloo or something from a Thai restaurant.

I've eaten Thai food both here and in Thailand with all the hottest little chilies sprinkled liberally over everything. Kicked my ass in the most delicious way possible. Thai spices can indeed be more intense than most Mexican food but I still enjoy both.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 25):
I've eaten Thai food both here and in Thailand with all the hottest little chilies sprinkled liberally over everything. Kicked my ass in the most delicious way possible. Thai spices can indeed be more intense than most Mexican food but I still enjoy both.

My favorite thing about Mexican food is the way the spices react with chicken, shrimp and fish.
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:44 pm

Now ya'll making me hungry for a Quesadilla!  Silly

Whats that?! :-P

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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:04 pm

Now I'm just hungry...think I might have to go to Chipotle this afternoon and get a sandwich...err....burrito  Wink
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:39 pm

I thought a Burrito was a small horse or donkey Big grin

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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 28):
Now I'm just hungry...think I might have to go to Chipotle this afternoon and get a sandwich...err....burrito

Chipotle, much like Qdoba, is not a proper burrito.

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 29):
I thought a Burrito was a small horse or donkey

What's the matter Andy? Can't fathom something boiled tasteless and smothered in mint sauce?
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:57 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):
Chipotle, much like Qdoba, is not a proper burrito.

I don't care what they call it, it's still damn good Big grin
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):
Chipotle, much like Qdoba, is not a proper burrito.

True... it's better.

[Edited 2006-11-21 05:39:11]
 
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):
What's the matter Andy? Can't fathom something boiled tasteless and smothered in mint sauce

My dear boy, you don't "boil" Lamb, you roast it. And you use enough mint sauce to enhance the taste. Tsk, such ignorance.

Now, this Burrito stuff, this is just another overhyped, lazy way of eating junk, dressed up to look marginally different to a MacDonalds burger  duck 

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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:32 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 33):
Now, this Burrito stuff, this is just another overhyped, lazy way of eating junk, dressed up to look marginally different to a MacDonalds burger

Beans, rice, fresh grilled choice cuts of meat (chicken breast, filleted white fish, shrimp, lean steak, etc.), perhaps a bit of cheese and some grilled peppers wrapped in a yummy flat bread? You call that junk?
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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:51 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Beans, rice, fresh grilled choice cuts of meat (chicken breast, filleted white fish, shrimp, lean steak, etc.), perhaps a bit of cheese and some grilled peppers wrapped in a yummy flat bread? You call that junk?

Yes, guess I do. Anything sold through a chain of "fast food" outlets to me is junk.

However, it's all down to taste, so whatever floats your boat. I'd rather have a bacon n' egg bap with a mug of hot tea than some of the stuff you get in America.

That isn't to say I haven't enjoyed different food in the States. Sometimes it's nice. Sometimes it isn't.

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RE: Burrito Is Not A Sandwich

Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 35):
Yes, guess I do. Anything sold through a chain of "fast food" outlets to me is junk.

You haven't been to El Pollo Loco, Baja Fresh or La Salsa then. Just because food comes quickly doesn't mean it isn't fresh or healthy.
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