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No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:44 am

I have read on the Internet, the outgoing co president of Microsoft said he did not feel Microsoft Vista needed anti virus Wow!

quote/link from slashdotand link:
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/10/0114210
"told a reporter that the system's new lockdown features are so capable and thorough that he was comfortable with his own seven-year-old son using Vista without antivirus software installed.""
link to betanews article:
http://www.betanews.com/article/Allc...sta_Wont_Need_Antivirus/1163104965

This has got to be reassuring news for Windows users? Can we really throw away our anti virus when we get vista?

Matt

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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):

Running Vista without virus/spyware protection is serious stupidity.

No matter what Microsoft do to improve security, a platform such as this that will be used by so many, will make it open to attacks, and quickly loopholes will be found and exploited.

Nothing is ever secure or safe. Nothing

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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:05 am

No, nobody can do so for no systems. There's always the factor X in software engineering that is exploitable.
See the MS chief is "backtracking" on this reported statement by him: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35680
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 1):
Running Vista without virus/spyware protection is serious stupidity.

No matter what Microsoft do to improve security, a platform such as this that will be used by so many, will make it open to attacks, and quickly loopholes will be found and exploited.

Nothing is ever secure or safe. Nothing

Adam

Keep your hair on Wink Protection is ALWAYS used on my computers Smile. Some of the technologies I have read about such as the way the computer will work in some way differently every time it is run to try and hamper viruses, sound really clever,
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Of course not...



























...Vista will need something stronger than a regular antivirus.  Wink
 
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 3):
Some of the technologies I have read about such as the way the computer will work in some way differently every time it is run to try and hamper viruses, sound really clever

But there is always somebody who is that bit more clever, and will get around it.

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 3):
Keep your hair on

 Wink It's true though!

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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 1):
Nothing is ever secure or safe. Nothing

**Waits for Klaus to give his 2 cents Big grin**
 
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 6):
**Waits for Klaus to give his 2 cents **

And I am sure he will agree with me. Smile

Even his beloved Mac isn't 100% secure, and as these become more popular, there will be an increase in threats to them, as I am sure he will also agree.

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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
This has got to be reassuring news for Windows users?

It's arrogance un-abated. Right now, the statment is fine. I'm using 'bare windows vista' and have no problems with any kind of malware whatsoever. I do NOT expect that to last.

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
Can we really throw away our anti virus when we get vista?

Yes. But be ready to buy AV in about Feb or March depending on how stupid the people using the computer are.

Quoting BA757 (Reply 1):
Running Vista without virus/spyware protection is serious stupidity.

Ok sparky, who's officially pressing AV for Vista? Symantec and McAffee? Oh yeah, they have no interest in selling their product or making money do they? Symantec officially has a client for enterprise "users" but it's just the XP client labled for Vista.

But I challenge you this: Name one virus designed for Vista after a month of RC1 being released and MANY months of Betas...

I also ask you how much time you have spent with Vista. Did you know that unless you are a fool and turn it off it asks you about installing/running everything not associated with the start menu?

I know Vista will eventually be exploited, but it's going to take a long time. Keep your money in your pockets for now.
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 5):
But there is always somebody who is that bit more clever, and will get around it.



Quoting BA757 (Reply 5):
Wink It's true though!

Yeah I guess so.Thanks for your reply  Smile. There are also people (like one of my mates) that like using IE6 without upgrading to IE7  Wow!

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 8):

It's arrogance un-abated. Right now, the statment is fine. I'm using 'bare windows vista' and have no problems with any kind of malware whatsoever. I do NOT expect that to last.

Thanks for your reply Smile. How are you finding the experience?
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 9):
How are you finding the experience?

It's OK. Unfortunately I'm yet again showing my age. in the good old days when an OS showed up I tore through it like something out of natural born killers. Now I'm thinking I'll need to attend several hours of classes to get this shit straight. Yeah, most of the 'old' stuff is there if you look. But from a support experience/perspective and with the way it was 'designed to run' it's a whole new ball game. You can't get away with just up and telling a user to right click on network neighborhod to get to network properties and go from there, you have to tunnel down 10,000 menus; give 'administrator permission a few times, then MAYBE you can chane the DNS settings on a NIC.
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:20 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 8):
I know Vista will eventually be exploited, but it's going to take a long time. Keep your money in your pockets for now.

Do all of the various viruses, worms, etc., really not work on Vista?

Personally, I'd keep using AV software if moving to Vista. When I first installed Vista beta, one of the first thing I did is figure out which of the free AV programs worked. AVG hadn't been updated yet, but Avast had so I installed that.
 
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:20 am

I wouldn't use any MS program without 'belt and suspenders' of a decent Anti-virus and firewall. I am quite sure that the latest versions of Internet Explorer will never be 'safe' either. I would't install 'Vista' until it has the initial bugs worked out, which may take a year or so.
 
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 11):
Do all of the various viruses, worms, etc., really not work on Vista?

There is one Script virus that works, but only if you knowingly install the scripting software that allows the exploit.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 12):
I would't install 'Vista' until it has the initial bugs worked out, which may take a year or so.

You know; under other ordinary conditions I'd be right there with you. Depending on how my finances work I might not have a choice but to wait.

RC1 (along with office 2007 Beta) has impressed the heck out of me. File transfers can still be a touch dicey, and IE 7 (pre release) crashes under strain, but the OS contains the failure and you can GENUINELY re-start IE and have everything be fine. If the money works out well, I will get Vista with a new box come the end of Janurary. Worst comes to worse I'll just format it and re-load it every time there's a SP.
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:57 pm

His statement was disingenous at best, reckless at worst. Funny though, the support issues I have been seeing and treating for awhile is adware, spyware and other hidden "goodies" that are the big timesinks...The smart heuristics of the reputable AV houses have gotten pretty good.
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:57 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 1):
Nothing is ever secure or safe. Nothing

OSX is,

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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:19 pm

Quoting Bhill (Reply 14):
Funny though, the support issues I have been seeing and treating for awhile is adware, spyware and other hidden "goodies" that are the big timesinks

And this is a bitch. By the time your scanners and what not do their thing you might as well have formatted and reloaded.

Vista with IE7 seems to be impervious to these scripting hacks as (by default) you have to explicitly give administrator permission to anything when it's needed.
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:02 pm

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
he did not feel Microsoft Vista needed anti virus

right and pigs can fly.  embarrassed 
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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 5):
But there is always somebody who is that bit more clever, and will get around it.

then why is that person not working for microsoft or the government?

here is what i picture:

Microsoft boss: are you sure that no one can find any loopholes into our system
Some nerd: well in order for anyone to do that.. he has to be smarter than me... and i don't see that is the case

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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 18):
Microsoft boss: are you sure that no one can find any loopholes into our system
Some nerd: well in order for anyone to do that.. he has to be smarter than me... and i don't see that is the case

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RE: No Anti Virus Needed For Windows Vista?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:27 pm

I'm not Klaus but will state that McAffee and Symantic have made statements about Mac vulnerabilities. It was found that a few codes in the current OS (10.4) are very vulnerable. But...once that was stated Apple changed it and the update was out. The next version of OSX (10.5 due in early 2007) is even more secure than the current OSX.

As Mac userbase increases it becomes more of a target. But Apple is not taking it lightly and has stepped up security in the computer big time.

That being said, Vista being on so many computers will of course attract those with nothing better to do than attack systems. Like Mac OSX, Vista asks users to provide a password if they want to install before the installation can be performed. Only the dumbest of the dumb will install something that they don't want. This happened a few monts ago on Macs. It was for "New OSX 10.5 screen shots". But it required the user to provide a password for opening a .jpg. Only the dumbest of the dumb actually opened it. Apple then did some things to the system and then made some kind of underlying code about "bad karma".

Vista is a huge improvement over XP. Too bad it is still behind OSX10.5 in tech and useablity. (That one is for Klaus) I might even get Vista when I buy my new macbook next year (10.5 pre-installed) just to see what it is like.
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