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Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:50 am

ELTON JOHN: 'I WOULD BAN RELIGION COMPLETELY' (Sat Nov 11 2006 15:42:55 ET)

Excerpt:

*Interview with Observer Music Monthly Magazine
*Religion lacked compassion and turns people into hatred
*People too busy blogging to protest current status, should take it on to the street to get their voice heard for real
*Religion promotes hatred and spite against gays
*As per Elton John's view : I would ban religion completely

Quote:
"Organised religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into really hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate."

*Question where are the leaders of each religion when the world is near escalation to WWIII

Quote:
"It's like the peace movement in the Sixties. Musicians got through to people by getting out there and doing peace concerts but we don't seem to do them any more.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:55 am

Halloween costume gone wrong, or Elton John? You decide.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:02 am

That is okay, Elton. You can counteract those that want to ban homosexuality, and all of you can look like idiots together.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:03 am

It's an interesting approach. Complain about intolerance by being intolerant.  scratchchin 
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:06 am

So much for tolerance. If you disagree with me position, you are to be banned
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:07 am

Is anyone else getting sick of these loud mouths that want to ban anything that goes against their views?
 
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
So much for tolerance. If you disagree with me position, you are to be banned

May I be the first to congratulate you on your new position as Moderator.... Big grin  duck 
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:10 am

Am I perhaps the only one who sees it this way; fading celebrity and music man seeks publicity for his albums and public image, so goes and gets a load of attention by saying something really outrageous  Yeah sure All free publicity too, so saves him a fortune in advertising.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:11 am

Is he not dead yet?
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
Am I perhaps the only one who sees it this way;

Nope, I think you hit it on the head. As much as I admire him as a musician, I really wish he'd just stick to his music.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:50 am

My take on tolerance....

From the internet...

"And finally, to Rob in Albany who felt my aside was proof of my intolerance and hypocrisy: Joking about Christianity isn't evidence that I'm intolerant—hell, I'm perfectly willing to tolerate Christians. I have never, for instance, attempted to prevent Christians from marrying each other, or tried to stop them from adopting children, or worked to make it illegal for them to hold certain jobs. I don't threaten to boycott companies that market their products to Christians, and I don't organize letter-writing campaigns to complain about Christian characters on television.

It would indeed be hypocritical for me to complain about fundamentalist Christians who've done all of the above to gay people if I turned around and did the same thing to Christians—but, again, I've done no such thing. Intolerant? Hell, I'm a model of tolerance

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting Charger (Reply 5):
Is anyone else getting sick of these loud mouths that want to ban anything that goes against their views?

Does "these" include everyone else that whinges, whines, moans and groans about what doesn't suit them and their viewpoints as well?
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
: I would ban religion completely

Ceteris paribus, banning religion would solve a lot more problems than banning gay marriage.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
banning religion would solve a lot more problems than banning gay marriage.

Banning gay marriage won't/hasn't solved a single problem, but as much as I hate to defend organized religion, banning it would create far more problems than it would solve. Look at Islam, they've built up a mentality of persecution, and now a small group within Islam use it to justify their violent actions. Ban religion outright, and those that are most deeply beholden to the concept become martyrs and crusaders for their faith.

Quite frankly, if religion gives someone peace and solace, more power to them. What needs to be banned is religions influence in the public sector. Then they can worship and have whatever faith bests supports them, but their faith doesn't impact my life.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:41 am

Does he have a new album coming out soon? There must be a reason for the rant.

Why are we even bothering listening to the blowhardy words of an angry old queen? Like my mama always said...Opinions from folks are like assholes...everyone has them and they usually stink. (ok, not really my mama but you get the idea.)

Quoting Banco (Reply 3):
It's an interesting approach. Complain about intolerance by being intolerant.

But it's okay if you're the one being intolerant. It's all those other folks for (insert cause, religion, etc. here) that need to shut up.  Wink
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:43 am

Well, lets just say that religion wasn't exactly Gods gift to mankind...

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For me, religion is a human invention, something people invented to explain the unexplainable.

And it got badly out of hand.

Still, banning it now would be unrealistic. We're stuck with religion and we'll have to accept that. I do agree with Searpqx if he says that religion should be banned from having an influence in the public sector. Everybody can have his own conviction, but when I hear a president say "May God bless our country", it just feels very scary to me.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 1):
Halloween costume gone wrong, or Elton John? You decide.

Worthless deflection.

Quoting Banco (Reply 3):
It's an interesting approach. Complain about intolerance by being intolerant.

Well, until Elton John starts leading a crusade to ban strait marriage I think you're applying somewhat disproportionate condemnation here.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
So much for tolerance. If you disagree with me position, you are to be banned

See my comment above.

Quoting Charger (Reply 5):
Is anyone else getting sick of these loud mouths that want to ban anything that goes against their views?

You mean like Rush Limbaugh? Now that's a fight I could actually get behind. Elton John, not so much.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
Am I perhaps the only one who sees it this way; fading celebrity and music man seeks publicity for his albums and public image, so goes and gets a load of attention by saying something really outrageous Yeah sure All free publicity too, so saves him a fortune in advertising.

Funny how you left out how much organized religion rakes in every year. I wonder why you don’t also suspect them of manipulating their followers as well. Care to explain why only one side is motivated by avarice in your mind?

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 8):
Is he not dead yet?

Worthless deflection.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
Nope, I think you hit it on the head. As much as I admire him as a musician, I really wish he'd just stick to his music.

Just like I wish Rush Limbaugh would just stick to his… what is it he actually does again?

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
Does he have a new album coming out soon? There must be a reason for the rant.

See my comment directed towards PlymSpotter.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:40 am

Good old SATX...making an ass of yourself again. The point is that Elton John is railing against intolerance by being intolerant himself by calling for the banishment of religion. What a pompous ass he is with that comment.

Who really gives a rat's ass if Rush is intolerant...he's not the subject anywhere in this thread until your sorry excuse for reasoning came along.

Is Rush a pompous ass? Of course he is but he doesn't try to come off as kind and gentle and tolerant just as the liberals he counters do towards conservatives.

Does religion manipulate their followers? Depends upon what side you fall on but we know your disdain is quite evident by your comments that denigrate anyone who is religious with your generalization.

Oh wait, I don't have a constructive comment so I must resort to attacking the messenger. Run along and cry into your organic granola cereal about the impending doom of the environment within 10 years just because "Owl" Gore said it was so in his PowerPoint presentation.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Good old SATX...making an ass of yourself again. What a pompous ass he is with that comment.

You've already demonstrated again and again that anybody who dares to challenge your right-wing-wisdom on this site is an "ass" in your eyes. It's a good thing I don't take your endless anti-liberal demonizing too seriously.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
The point is that Elton John is railing against intolerance by being intolerant himself by calling for the banishment of religion.

While that is certainly a possible interpretation, Elton John would still have to start a massive and continuous campaign geared toward restricting the inalienable rights of religious folks before he would deserve anything close to an equal helping of condemnation. I guess your black-and-white view of the world simply can't separate these two developments. As it is, he's simply expressing the view that organized religion can't seem to live up to their own high standards and we'd be better off without them. Considering how intolerant and hypocritical the American Bible Belt has shown itself to be over and over again, and taking into account how the most tolerant communities in America seem to also be some of the least religious I think Elton John just might be on to something here.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Who really gives a rat's ass if Rush is intolerant...he's not the subject anywhere in this thread until your sorry excuse for reasoning came along.

Once again, you can't deny the obvious so you simply stoop to attacking the messenger. Good work.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Is Rush a pompous ass? Of course he is but he doesn't try to come off as kind and gentle and tolerant just as the liberals he counters do towards conservatives.

What was that about a sorry excuse for reasoning? This has to be the most illogical and poorly articulated explanation for Rush's nonsense as I've ever heard.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Oh wait, I don't have a constructive comment so I must resort to attacking the messenger. Run along and cry into your organic granola cereal about the impending doom of the environment within 10 years just because "Owl" Gore said it was so in his PowerPoint presentation.

It's just too bad that you're apparently blind to the fact that this comment better describes your own posts than it describes mine.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 18):
You've already demonstrated again and again that anybody who dares to challenge your right-wing-wisdom on this site is an "ass" in your eyes.

Not at all. I believe I am pretty moderate compared to both the right and left wings. You on the other hand get my disdain because I really just can't tolerate stupidity. You make me laugh and that's a good thing. It's almost as if you want to get ridiculed as some sort of martyr. Have a good night there in the Bible Belt that you despise so much.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:21 am

Elton John: talented musician. That's about as deep as he gets. And only as far as he should get.
 
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 16):
Funny how you left out how much organized religion rakes in every year. I wonder why you don't also suspect them of manipulating their followers as well. Care to explain why only one side is motivated by avarice in your mind?

Well he wouldn't have been the first high profile celebrity to have done such a thing would he? In many cases the avarice of particular religious entities is only surpassed by the unrivaled idiocy of those who are contributing the donations. I'm lost for words in many cases, especially at the level of blatant corruption in some countries, but as a by-passer of the mainstream religions I would hazard a guess that it's a combination of still being God-fearing coupled with a hefty dose of naivety. If, as a congregation in a poor African country you are asked for increasingly sizable donations, and then the priest/viccar/leader of the congregation turns up in a brand new Mercedes, then I personally would question where my money has disappeared to, obviously others out there don't. So essentially, SATX, yes I do feel that some churches may manipulate their followers, but I considering that I was talking about Elton John, I didn't think I'd bring that into it.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Religion promotes hatred and spite against gays

But when some gays start calling Bush,Hitler, which has been expressed here,then I begin to wonder about gays political standing and should start to be questioned as to be very extreme.

John owes an apology.Very sad.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
So much for tolerance. If you disagree with me position, you are to be banned

That's as wrong.Ban John music instead.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
I believe I am pretty moderate compared to both the right and left wings.

Believing it doesn't make it so. At least I'm honest about being a left winger. Maybe some day you'll have the guts to admit you're still just a run-of-the-mill right winger whenever push comes to shove.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
You on the other hand get my disdain because I really just can't tolerate stupidity.

It's just too bad that doesn't prevent you from lowering yourself to the level you claim I'm operating at.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
You make me laugh and that's a good thing. It's almost as if you want to get ridiculed as some sort of martyr. Have a good night there in the Bible Belt that you despise so much.

Oh, it's not so bad; they pay me good money and nearly everything is dirt cheap here. Now that the Democrats are back in control I'll be sleeping nice and easy again, but thanks for caring.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
Now that the Democrats are back in control I'll be sleeping nice and easy again,

Since you said that, will you be saying this . . .

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
Oh, it's not so bad; they pay me good money and nearly everything is dirt cheap here.

. . . once they start rolling back tax cuts?
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 24):
Since you said that, will you be saying this . . .

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
Oh, it's not so bad; they pay me good money and nearly everything is dirt cheap here.

. . . once they start rolling back tax cuts?

I don't live check to check and I try not to sweat the small stuff. Seriously, I won't lose any sleep over a tax increase, big or small. Knowing that American troops and innocent civilians are dying day after day thanks to unchecked ignorance and arrogance, now that certainly gives me some heartburn.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:02 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 25):
I don't live check to check and I try not to sweat the small stuff. Seriously, I won't lose any sleep over a tax increase, big or small.

And those who do live check to check??????? Nice to see your compassion eh?

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
I believe I am pretty moderate compared to both the right and left wings.

Believing it doesn't make it so. At least I'm honest about being a left winger. Maybe some day you'll have the guts to admit you're still just a run-of-the-mill right winger whenever push comes to shove.

SATX, you obviously didn't see the thread where DeltaGator speaks in support of gay marriage.
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I think that shows he's not a "run of the mill right winger" as you put it.
 
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 27):
I think that shows he's not a "run of the mill right winger" as you put it.

It doesn't matter. If you don't cowtow to his ideology, you're a right winger. His world is truly black and white.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 26):
And those who do live check to check??????? Nice to see your compassion eh?

Well, since I have no problem with my tax dollars going to help those who are truly in need I'm not sure why you think I'm lacking any compassion. Also, I have coworkers who make six figures and still live check to check. Why exactly should I feel any compassion for them? If they didn't buy the largest house on the block, the largest SUV on the lot, the most exclusive furniture in the showroom, the largest TV on the shelf, and the shiniest kitchen appliances available then maybe they wouldn't be living check to check in the first place. That's their decision, but when they start crying about taxes I give them a nice verbal slap upside the head and tell them to reevaluate their place in this world.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Whoop! Elton John shows me something about christianity and religion. It's all well and good he thinks that, but I'm not sure why it's such big news.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 29):
Well, since I have no problem with my tax dollars going to help those who are truly in need I'm not sure why you think I'm lacking any compassion.

I'm pretty sure those people would rather have more of their income to use rather than wait for handouts from Uncle Sam. April 15th is a painful time for them.

Quoting SATX (Reply 29):
Also, I have coworkers who make six figures and still live check to check. Why exactly should I feel any compassion for them? If they didn't buy the largest house on the block, the largest SUV on the lot, the most exclusive furniture in the showroom, the largest TV on the shelf, and the shiniest kitchen appliances available then maybe they wouldn't be living check to check in the first place. That's their decision, but when they start crying about taxes I give them a nice verbal slap upside the head and tell them to reevaluate their place in this world.

I'll bet you do. But what the hey...they're fault for exercising freedom of choice. I don't care about your six figure friends. Don't divert the subject, we're talking those who are actually pinched by taxes here, living paycheck to paycheck just for the basics.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 28):
It doesn't matter. If you don't cowtow to his ideology, you're a right winger. His world is truly black and white.

Yes, there seems to be a lot of that going around!
 
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:22 pm

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 27):
SATX, you obviously didn't see the thread where DeltaGator speaks in support of gay marriage. AZ First State Not To Pass Gay Marriage Ammendment (by Bridogger6 Nov 8 2006 in Non Aviation)#14 I think that shows he's not a "run of the mill right winger" as you put it.

Supporting gay marriage (to say nothing of actually voting for it) doesn't make you a moderate. I happen to be financially conservative myself, but that doesn't make me a moderate either. Besides, I've been reading enough of DG's posts to have a decent idea of where he stands in the big picture.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 28):

It doesn't matter. If you don't cowtow to his ideology, you're a right winger. His world is truly black and white.

It's certainly no more black and white than your own narrow-minded world. Next time you might want to choose a jab that can't be lobbed right back in your direction.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 31):
I'm pretty sure those people would rather have more of their income to use rather than wait for handouts from Uncle Sam. April 15th is a painful time for them.

I support federal income tax breaks for the poor, just like any liberal would. I also support abolishment of our regressive state sales tax and the introduction of a progressive state income tax. I honestly can't think of a better way to shift the tax burden away from the folks who are least able to pay it and onto the folks who are least likely to miss it.


Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 31):
But what the hey...they're fault for exercising freedom of choice. I don't care about your six figure friends. Don't divert the subject, we're talking those who are actually pinched by taxes here, living paycheck to paycheck just for the basics.

Diversion? Please. I have nothing to hide and I'll always call it like I see it.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:05 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 33):
Besides, I've been reading enough of DG's posts to have a decent idea of where he stands in the big picture.

Oh, this is a PERSONAL attack then. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm sorry your life is so miserable. Maybe you'll soon find work in a place you like better.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 33):
Supporting gay marriage (to say nothing of actually voting for it) doesn't make you a moderate.

Just for your FYI (though I know you won't care since it doesn't fit your opinion of me) I know that support of one issue doesn't make me a moderate. Also for your FYI, I voted to defeat the constituional amendment against gay marriage when it was offered up in Georgia.

But again, since my support and actual voting for moderate (and some would say liberal) issues doesn't fit your black and white view of me as some evil corporate warmongering uber-conservative you'll just ignore the facts...as usual.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:16 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
*Religion promotes hatred and spite against gays
*As per Elton John's view : I would ban religion completely

Why should the fate of religion be determined by whether hatred or spite is allegedly promoted against gays?

Suppose that religion -- for the sake of argument -- does have a negative effect on gays. Why shouldn't society also consider the positive aspects of religion as well, which may well outweigh that negative aspect?

Entertainers sometimes have a "the world revolves around me" attitude that some people find off-putting, and I think that Mr. John's statement, as alleged, in this regard is similarly irritating for that reason.

[Edited 2006-11-14 15:27:35]
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:32 pm

Ah another Elton John hissy fit. Why does everybody think he speaks for gay people everywhere ?

Plenty of churches where gay people are welcome. Plenty of religious people who recognise gay people as good people who are an equal part of their society.

Yes there are certainly people within the religious establishment that preach hate - but they do not speak for ALL religious people just as Elton does not speak for ALL gay people.

It's typical Elton - no one will take much notice and it'll soon get forgotten about. As someone above said, he must have a album or tour to promote. and in the meantime I hope gay people find a rather more sensible public mouthpeice than him.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:34 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 33):
I support federal income tax breaks for the poor, just like any liberal would. I also support abolishment of our regressive state sales tax and the introduction of a progressive state income tax. I honestly can't think of a better way to shift the tax burden away from the folks who are least able to pay it and onto the folks who are least likely to miss it.

Tax policy's a little more complicated than that.

Rich folks have always found ways to get around taxes, which partially explains why they're rich folks. No reason to think they would do differently under any system.
There's an issue of what's doable as well. I suspect that advocating what you are about is a path to political suicide for any aspiring officeholder and ain't gonna happen anyway.

The majority of damage done to the poor is by way of things that state government has a hand in-alcohol taxation and lottery tickets come to mind.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
I would ban religion completely

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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
banning religion would solve a lot more problems than banning gay marriage

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Quoting Bwest (Reply 15):
For me, religion is a human invention, something people invented to explain the unexplainable.

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Religion is just a crock of horse s**t made up by people who wish to impose their views on other people.
 
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 39):
Religion is just a crock of horse s**t made up by people who wish to impose their views on other people.

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Sweeping generalizations aside, that's really quite bigoted of you. However, I'm sure your intent was to be humble in your hope of wiping out such a backward and malicious problem. Let me show you something however, sir:

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 39):
who wish to impose their views on other people.



Quoting BigOrange (Reply 39):
I would ban religion completely

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Irony at its finest.


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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 40):
Sweeping generalizations aside, that's really quite bigoted of you. However, I'm sure your intent was to be humble in your hope of wiping out such a backward and malicious problem. Let me show you something however, sir:

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 39):
who wish to impose their views on other people.



Quoting BigOrange (Reply 39):
I would ban religion completely

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Irony at its finest.


Lucas

No irony. I was just stating my opinion, not trying to impose it on other people.
 
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 41):
I was just stating my opinion, not trying to impose it on other people.

Oh, so sorry. When I see the phrase "I would" it implies to me that, if you were in a position of power where you could do something, you WOULD do that. This is imposing your views on others. Whereas obviously the statement carries no weight, as it is just a bunch of text online, the mentality is what I am calling into question, and I am almost positive you know this too.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:57 am

Well, if I've got to listen to some insufferable moron like Elton John tell me what to think about what to think, (assuming that I think about it at all), I'd probably look to someone who's got some credentials. As a practical matter, religion will be around when Elton John's worm food.

He's probably promoting his comeback from wherever...it's no different than Britney dumping K-Fed really...it gets some publicity.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:12 am

Isn't the First Amendment great. So great in fact that they made the Second Amendment to protect the first.

Tough nuts Elton.

And no SATX, it wasn't a deflection. I think anyone who seriously wants to outlaw organized religion is a monster. And no, before you tirade, I don't belong to an organized religion.
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:10 am

How about we just ban Elton John and forget about his music after, say... 1988 (or whenever he wrote the first Candle in the Wind)? That would solve a lot of problems...  mischievous 
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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 33):
It's certainly no more black and white than your own narrow-minded world. Next time you might want to choose a jab that can't be lobbed right back in your direction.

LOL. Wow. Ok, if you're so certain, by all means, please demonstrate with specifics how my world is narrow minded. This should be interesting. You'll probably ignore it like you did that question on the CNN thread. Being the son of immigrant parents (legal btw, they never needed amnesty, and are now full US citizens) who know what it means to work your way from nothing, coming from an opressed land ruled by people as fanatical to their party as you are, I bet I have more culture coming out of my ass than you'll ever hope to achieve.

Quoting SATX (Reply 33):
Diversion? Please. I have nothing to hide and I'll always call it like I see it.

Such a depressed life you must lead. I wonder how many Bush/Cheney '00 stickers you had on your car.  Wink

Quoting SATX (Reply 33):
I support federal income tax breaks for the poor, just like any liberal would. I also support abolishment of our regressive state sales tax and the introduction of a progressive state income tax. I honestly can't think of a better way to shift the tax burden away from the folks who are least able to pay it and onto the folks who are least likely to miss it.

Just like any Liberal eh? Last I checked Clinton was about wellfare reform...or is he now a right-wing dingbat too? It would be interesting to see if your little program works...but not every state would dare implement it. 50 states have 50 different financial needs.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:26 am

To me, one problem with some fans of Elton John is that they seem to have short memories. It wasn't that long ago that Mr. John seemed to have thrown a fit at an airport or something in the Far East, telling a mob of fans there that they were worst people in the world or something like that, and lo and behold, there are still fans of Elton John, aplenty.

I mean, there are some fans of celebrities that seem to be positively amnesiacs about these kinds of things.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 36):
Suppose that religion -- for the sake of argument -- does have a negative effect on gays. Why shouldn't society also consider the positive aspects of religion as well, which may well outweigh that negative aspect

Would you also support slavery if the benifits out weighed the negative? I mean there was a time when people used the bible to justify owning slaves.

It is beyond me how any positives can ever out weigh the denial of a group of human rights.

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RE: Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:46 am

It's a matter of degree, Greasespot. I hardly think that the failure of gays to be able to marry is comparable to slavery.
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