User avatar
fxramper
Posts: 5837
Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:03 pm

Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:19 pm

The first I've heard of it, can anyone shed more light/names?

Effing politics... no 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/11/abramoff_report.html
 
User avatar
jetjack74
Posts: 6580
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:35 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:09 pm

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
The first I've heard of it, can anyone shed more light/names?

This was reported back in May/June time frame by the National Review Online, and the The Hill, but largely ignored by the mainstream press. What's funny is, this comes out AFTER the election. Alot of what the people allegedly voted on, was the "culture of corruption" by the GOP. But this is an indication that the culture of corruption transcends political partisanship. You can't be an experianced politician unless you filthy with dirt.
Made from jets!
 
itsjustme
Posts: 2727
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:58 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:48 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
But this is an indication that the culture of corruption transcends political partisanship.

Surely this doesn't come as a surprise to you. What I don't understand is, the article states, "But the prosecutors' easy access to Abramoff has now ended". How has it ended? If anything, won't he be more accessible now that he's housed in a Federal joint that's only a stones throw from DC?
 
halls120
Posts: 8724
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:24 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
This was reported back in May/June time frame by the National Review Online, and the The Hill, but largely ignored by the mainstream press. What's funny is, this comes out AFTER the election.

Not surprising at all. In early 2004, our office came across a well-known high ranking advisor to Senator Kerry in one of our investigations. So that we couldn't be accused of playing politics, the investigation into this person's activity as it related to the original targets of our investigation was put on hold until after the election.

He/she was cleared, by the way.
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain, a Biography
 
UALPHLCS
Posts: 3233
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2001 5:50 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
This was reported back in May/June time frame by the National Review Online, and the The Hill, but largely ignored by the mainstream press. What's funny is, this comes out AFTER the election. Alot of what the people allegedly voted on, was the "culture of corruption" by the GOP. But this is an indication that the culture of corruption transcends political partisanship.

Let's see how this is handled by our DNC posters.

I bet it will be as faithfully ignored as the ACORN indictments where.
A little less Hooah, and a little more Dooah.
 
halls120
Posts: 8724
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:24 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 4):
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
This was reported back in May/June time frame by the National Review Online, and the The Hill, but largely ignored by the mainstream press. What's funny is, this comes out AFTER the election. Alot of what the people allegedly voted on, was the "culture of corruption" by the GOP. But this is an indication that the culture of corruption transcends political partisanship.

Let's see how this is handled by our DNC posters.

I bet it will be as faithfully ignored as the ACORN indictments where.

Of course it will. In their eyes, all GOP sleaze is bad, Democratic sleaze is either ignored or dismissed.

Gotta give credit to the WashPost. They've been hammering the democrats on this one.
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain, a Biography
 
jaysit
Posts: 10186
Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2000 11:50 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:46 am

Uh huh.

And the GOP led Congress did nothing to pursue 8 seriously corrupt Democrat senators even as Abramoff's connections with their own party took them down?

Right.

These are the last gasps of a desperate man. To assume that Congressional Dems are paragons of virtue is stupid, but to assume that Abramoff and the GOP led Congress would have let Republicans be tarnished with the crimes of corruption while letting Dems off the hook is even stupider.
Atheism is Myth Understood.
 
cfalk
Posts: 10221
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:38 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
The first I've heard of it, can anyone shed more light/names?



Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 4):
Let's see how this is handled by our DNC posters.

I bet it will be as faithfully ignored as the ACORN indictments where.

Of course. A Republican who comes under the slightest suspicion of wrongdoing, even if unproved (Delay), or if he says something a little off-color (Lott), or sends a few dirty emails (Foley) to pages, and the Dems insist that he resign in disgrace.

But a Democrat who is caught red-handed with bribe money (Jefferson), Insults the military or the inhabitants of an entire state (Kerry, Rangel), has actual sex with pages (Studds), or is caught on film admitting that he will accept money for favors (Murtha), No problem! Re-elect him! In fact, in the case of Murtha, put him at the head of the House Majority.
The only thing you should feel when shooting a terrorist: Recoil.
 
Falcon84
Posts: 13775
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:52 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:13 am

Let's remember that one Republican, Tom Noe of Ohio, involved with Abramoff, is headed off to jail, and another, Bob Ney also of Ohio, resigned because of his contacts with good old Jack.

Sounds like GOP sour grapes on here.
Work Right, Fly Hard
 
jaysit
Posts: 10186
Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2000 11:50 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
A Republican who comes under the slightest suspicion of wrongdoing, even if unproved (Delay),

LOL.

Oh my. Just what whine are we drinking? Must be the sour kind.
Atheism is Myth Understood.
 
andessmf
Posts: 5689
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:53 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Sounds like GOP sour grapes on here.

Not really. Remember, the whole fiasco was about GOP corruption, and it was only after the election that we find that the same applied to Dems. For those who were screaming about GOP 'culture of corruption', what about the screams about the Dems. 'culture of corruption'?

"Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a Democratic-leaning watchdog group, (the ones of Foley fame) accused Pelosi of compromising her ethical standards by endorsing Murtha."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/15/politics/main2183211.shtml
 
cfalk
Posts: 10221
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:38 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Sounds like GOP sour grapes on here.

It is sour grapes. When a Republican screws up, Other Republicans are frequently the first ones to show him the door (Foley, for example).

But no matter what the crime, Democrats seem to never fail to close ranks and defend their man. Wouldn't you admit that the Jefferson deal is pretty blatant? Or Murtha's involvement with Abscam - even though he refused the money "for now", isn't that ambiguous enough that maybe he should not be trusted with public office - much less one of the most powerful positions in government? That standard seemed to work with Delay...
The only thing you should feel when shooting a terrorist: Recoil.
 
cfalk
Posts: 10221
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:38 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 10):
"Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a Democratic-leaning watchdog group, (the ones of Foley fame) accused Pelosi of compromising her ethical standards by endorsing Murtha."

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

What ethical standards???
The only thing you should feel when shooting a terrorist: Recoil.
 
Falcon84
Posts: 13775
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:52 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 12):
What ethical standards???

And this, from someone, who unabashadly supports this current corrupt Congressional leadership and Administration?

Uh, OK.
Work Right, Fly Hard
 
cfalk
Posts: 10221
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:38 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
Oh my. Just what whine are we drinking? Must be the sour kind.

Last I heard, Delay has not been convicted of any crime. There are only accusations. That was enough for Republicans to ask him to step out of the way, for the good of the country (and the party, of course).

When was the last time Democrats asked one of their elected officials to bow out? If there are any recent examples, I can't recall them.
The only thing you should feel when shooting a terrorist: Recoil.
 
andessmf
Posts: 5689
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:53 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):

And this, from someone, who unabashadly supports this current corrupt Congressional leadership and Administration?

The corrupt GOP representatives have been shown the door. There are plenty of stories around about the anger Fey elicited from the GOP for not resigning promptly after his conviction.

"CREW was founded in 2001 by Melanie Sloan, a former aide to Representative John Conyers and Senator Charles Schumer. She is now the organization's Executive Director. CREW also runs the website "JackInTheHouse", focusing on convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and his various political connections.

According to The Washington Post, CREW is funded in part through the efforts of "Democracy Alliance," a loose group of appoximately one hundred progressive-oriented political donors who saw CREW as a possible counterweight to the conservative-leaning Judicial Watch.[1] Judicial Watch styles itself as "a non-profit, public interest law firm dedicated to fighting government corruption."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen...nsibility_and_Ethics_in_Washington
 
AirCop
Posts: 5553
Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:39 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Let's remember that one Republican, Tom Noe of Ohio, involved with Abramoff, is headed off to jail, and another, Bob Ney also of Ohio, resigned because of his contacts with good old Jack.

And another from Arizona JD Hayworth ($100,000) finally conceded yesterday and week after the election, when the hand count of uncounted ballots showed him falling further behind.
 
halls120
Posts: 8724
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:24 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Let's remember that one Republican, Tom Noe of Ohio, involved with Abramoff, is headed off to jail, and another, Bob Ney also of Ohio, resigned because of his contacts with good old Jack.

Sounds like GOP sour grapes on here.

Really? Didn't realize the post was a GOP house organ.

Unfit for Majority Leader

By Ruth Marcus
Wednesday, November 15, 2006; Page A21

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/11/14/AR2006111401230.html

In Backing Murtha, Pelosi Draws Fire
Her Ethics Vow Is Questioned

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 14, 2006; Page A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/11/13/AR2006111300722.html

A Choice for Democrats
Steny Hoyer should be the new House majority leader.
Tuesday, November 14, 2006; Page A30

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/11/13/AR2006111301038.html
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain, a Biography
 
cfalk
Posts: 10221
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:38 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:58 am

Oh, and let's not forget Alcee Hastings (D-FL). A former Federal Court judge who was impeached and convicted by the U.S. House of Representatives of taking substantial bribe money in return for lenient sentences.

He is now in his 7th term as a US Representative, is the Senior Democratic Whip, Hastings is an influential member of the Democratic Leadership. Congressman Hastings is also a member of the powerful House Rules Committee and is a senior Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI). On the HPSCI, Hastings is the Ranking Democratic Member of the Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Security. (From Wikipedia)

Imagine that...
The only thing you should feel when shooting a terrorist: Recoil.
 
UALPHLCS
Posts: 3233
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2001 5:50 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Sounds like GOP sour grapes on here.

Harry Reid is now caught up in the Abramoff scandal with as much evidence as Dems used to implicate Republicans, he's still there.

Jefferson is still in his seat in LA. Nancy Pelosi ASKED him to resign, so the Democrats feel they have taken care of the problem. What a constrast that is between Foley and Hastert v. Pelosi and Jefferson.

Speaking of Foley we don't need to go into the hypocrisy of Democrat leadership when Gerry Studds did exactly the same as Foley even going so far as to actually commit a sex act, and he was merely cesured.

Then there is Jack Murtha. Caught up in the ABSCAM scandal and now wants a leadership position. This is a man caught on tape saying, "I don't want a bribe now, but get back to me."

Alcee Hastings was previously mentioned.

This is the group supposedly going to clean up Washington corruption. More like they are going to clean up WITH corruption.
A little less Hooah, and a little more Dooah.
 
halls120
Posts: 8724
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:24 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 18):
Oh, and let's not forget Alcee Hastings (D-FL). A former Federal Court judge who was impeached and convicted by the U.S. House of Representatives of taking substantial bribe money in return for lenient sentences.

He is now in his 7th term as a US Representative, is the Senior Democratic Whip, Hastings is an influential member of the Democratic Leadership. Congressman Hastings is also a member of the powerful House Rules Committee and is a senior Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI). On the HPSCI, Hastings is the Ranking Democratic Member of the Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Security. (From Wikipedia)

Imagine that...

As distasteful as the looming Murtha selection/election is, the potential of Alcee Hastings being the chair of the subcommittee on terrorism is frightening. When he was a federal judge, he sold sentences! You want HIM chairing a committee that receives classified briefings on a routine basis?

I'd like one democrat/liberal to come on this thread and defend the Murtha/Hastings sleaze. Don't toss out the "sour grapes" crap - your party ran on ending GOP sleaze, so how can the party appoint people to leadership positions that are just as ethically challenged as the republicans you ran against?

Just another reason to remain an Independent.....
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain, a Biography
 
UALPHLCS
Posts: 3233
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2001 5:50 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 20):
You want HIM chairing a committee that receives classified briefings on a routine basis?

Obviously this is what the American Voters want!
A little less Hooah, and a little more Dooah.
 
Venus6971
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:55 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 20):
You want HIM chairing a committee that receives classified briefings on a routine basis?

I wonder what strings Pelosi will have to pull to have the FBI give him a felon a Top Secret Security clearance. The only way we will have true change is that all 435 Reps are replaced with all new knuckleheads. Security Clearances are not easy to come by, if you have a bad credit score it could deny you a clearance.
I would help you but it is not in the contract
 
cfalk
Posts: 10221
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:38 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 22):
I wonder what strings Pelosi will have to pull to have the FBI give him a felon a Top Secret Security clearance.

He already has them!!! He already is a member of those committees!
The only thing you should feel when shooting a terrorist: Recoil.
 
jaysit
Posts: 10186
Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2000 11:50 pm

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 19):
Jefferson is still in his seat in LA. Nancy Pelosi ASKED him to resign, so the Democrats feel they have taken care of the problem. What a constrast that is between Foley and Hastert v. Pelosi and Jefferson.

LOL.

That is a load of bull, and if that is what conservative blogs are trotting out, then they are even bigger cretins than they are made out to be. And quite clearly, those who read their rants as Biblical truth are even dumber than previously believed.

A. Pelosi cannot force a resignation, no more than Hastert can. When Jefferson refused to resign, Pelosi demanded that Jefferson resign from the House Ways and Means Committee within 4 days of the FBI sting operation. The SOB still refused to do that. Two weeks later, House Dems overwhelmingly voted to strip Jefferson of his committee assignment, followed by the full House voting the same (which is procedurally mandated). In fact, Pelosi refused to entertain any mediation attempts made by Jefferson and he was declared persona non grata. Jefferson received no additional funds for his re-election from Democratic party coffers.

That having been said, it was Hastert who went into a tizzy after the FBI sting op. because he wanted future Congressional immunity from certain law enforcement agency actions. In fact, Hastert at the time was Jefferson's biggest ally.

B. Foley resigned only after his scandal became national fodder for the press just a few months before a national election. Hastert and gang knew about Foley and his shenanigans for years, and Hastert NEVER asked Foley to resign. He only seconded Foley's resignation after the fact. Spare us the crap.

Politicians, whether Republican or Democratic, face censure only after their antics are made known to the public, which is why the major parties try and keep rumors under wraps.

[Edited 2006-11-16 20:43:39]
Atheism is Myth Understood.
 
halls120
Posts: 8724
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:24 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 24):
That having been said, it was Hastert who went into a tizzy after the FBI sting op. because he wanted future Congressional immunity from certain law enforcement agency actions. In fact, Hastert at the time was Jefferson's biggest ally.



Quoting Jaysit (Reply 24):
Hastert and gang knew about Foley and his shenanigans for years, and Hastert NEVER asked Foley to resign. He only seconded Foley's resignation after the fact. Spare us the crap

Both of the above incidents are part of the reason I'm glad the GOP lost control of the Congress. They don't deserve to be in the majority with that kind of "leadership."
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain, a Biography
 
UALPHLCS
Posts: 3233
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2001 5:50 am

RE: Abramoff And 8 Sticky DEM Senators.

Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 24):
Spare us the crap.

I see any comparison between Republican ACTION to isolate and expell scandalous members and Democrats coddling them is off limits.
A little less Hooah, and a little more Dooah.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: TheF15Ace and 15 guests