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School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:20 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/....ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Parents who oppose the cell phone ban in New York's public schools are ranting in e-mails to the city's government that the policy is unreasonable, irresponsible, and hints at "thoughtless fascism."

The parents' comments were solicited by Betsy Gotbaum, who serves as the city's public advocate, an elective position in charge of answering concerns from the public.

America's largest school system has not allowed cell phones for years, but students have carried the gadgets mostly without consequence. When the city began random security checks for weapons last spring, searchers started finding and confiscating hundreds of cell phones -- setting off a charged debate.


I have no problem with parents who want to buy their kids cell phones but expecting the schools to allow them to have them in class seems a little extreme. I suppose in a Columbine-type situation, yes, cell phone equipped students would be a plus but when you consider the down side to students being allowed to have phones in class, I think the cons far outweigh the pros. If it were up to me, I'd say "Sure, you can bring a cell phone to school, just check it at the door when you arrive and you can pick it up at the end of the day".

Your thoughts?
 
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Thread starter):
Your thoughts?

Cell phones aren't just a fad, they're an active part of today's functioning society. Rules against them are just stupid.
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:48 pm

Here's the rule that I think works very well: You can bring a phone into school, but it gets turned off. If it disrupts class, it gets confiscated. Simple as that.

Banning cellphones is just stupid. However, let's call a spade a spade here:

Quoting Itsjustme (Thread starter):
the policy is unreasonable

Agreed

Quoting Itsjustme (Thread starter):
irresponsible

Absolutely

Quoting Itsjustme (Thread starter):
and hints at "thoughtless fascism."

 redflag  I'm sick and tired of the word "fascism" being thrown around for every little thing under the sun that people don't like.

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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:54 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
Cell phones aren't just a fad, they're an active part of today's functioning society. Rules against them are just stupid.

Almost everything you do in a day is bounded by rules saying when you can do what where. It high time intelligent rules about cell phone use were put into place. Prohibited while driving and in a public classroom are two right at the top of the list.

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Here's the rule that I think works very well: You can bring a phone into school, but it gets turned off. If it disrupts class, it gets confiscated. Simple as that.

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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:59 pm

IF a cell phone is causing a disruption, then it should be turned off. Banning them is not the answer, and checking them at the door is not either. They are a quick and easy way for High Schoolers to contact people, such as parents, if need be. Not to mention in an emergency situation they could be lifesavers.
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:45 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Quoting Itsjustme (Thread starter):
and hints at "thoughtless fascism."

redflag I'm sick and tired of the word "fascism" being thrown around for every little thing under the sun that people don't like.

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Just so it's clear, the use of the word "fascism" did not come from me. I was merely quoting a portion of the article.
 
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:12 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 5):
Just so it's clear, the use of the word "fascism" did not come from me. I was merely quoting a portion of the article.

I'm well aware of that, and my remarks were not intended towards you. Apologies for any confusion.

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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:19 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Thread starter):
If it were up to me, I'd say "Sure, you can bring a cell phone to school, just check it at the door when you arrive and you can pick it up at the end of the day".

Exactly, my school has that rule and it works very well. If a kid gets caught with a phone, they get 3 detentions and the parents have to come to school top get it back.

There is no reason to have phones during school hours.
 
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:31 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
They are a quick and easy way for High Schoolers to contact people, such as parents, if need be.

The ban isn't solely for High School students. If the quoted article is accurate, cell phones are banned in all New York City public schools.
However, using high schoolers as an example - I really can't think of a reason, short of a disaster, when a student would need to make a phone call in the middle of classroom instruction. As Mayor Bloomberg pointed out, schools have many ways to let parents reach their kids, and vice versa, during the day if need be. Having to do so in the middle of history class? Sorry, I just don't see the need.
 
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:46 pm

Am I the only one that uses vibrate and finds ring tones annoying as hell?
 
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Here's the rule that I think works very well: You can bring a phone into school, but it gets turned off. If it disrupts class, it gets confiscated. Simple as that.

 checkmark  Good rule. Kids have the phone if there is an emergency, and for those that just can't bear to be unconnected, they can check with parents outside of class.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):
Almost everything you do in a day is bounded by rules saying when you can do what where. It high time intelligent rules about cell phone use were put into place. Prohibited while driving and in a public classroom are two right at the top of the list.

Couldn't agree more. To suggest that children - and that is what they are, children - ought to be permitted absolute access to their cell phones whenever they please - is ludicrous.

Quoting CaptainJon (Reply 9):
Am I the only one that uses vibrate and finds ring tones annoying as hell?

same here.
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:04 pm

In the school which I go to, the rule is the following

HP are allowed within the school and have to be in silent mode or be turned off during school hours.

Some extra curricular activities allow the use of mobile but most dont.

High school students or G11-G12 are allowed the use of mobile phones during their break and lunch times

If the phone ever rings then the rule is that the teachers confiscate it, but not all teachers do that. Generally the teacher just make jokes about the phone ringing and how it isnt allowed unless it is a really strict teacher

If the phone gets confiscated then you are banned from having a mobile phone with you during school hours for the rest of the term

Using phones for a project or plays are allowed with prior permission from the teacher.

My phone had mistakenly rung in the middle of my maths class, my classmates laughed and my teacher said "Shame on You, SHAMEful" but after that nothing else happened

That is the rule in our school

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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Here's the rule that I think works very well: You can bring a phone into school, but it gets turned off. If it disrupts class, it gets confiscated. Simple as that.

I spoke with a friend of mine who teaches in Houston and that is exactly the policy of the HISD. Since 9/11, the district's policy was changed to allow students to bring cell phones to school but they must be kept turned off. If a student is caught using the phone during school hours, it's confiscated by a school official. I asked my friend if he had any feelings one way or another about cell phones in schools and he said he didn't. As long as they are kept turned off, he doesn't care if the kids have them with them in class or not.
 
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:48 pm

They don't need them in school.

Back in my high school days  old  (10-12 years ago) there were a few pay phones. If you had to make a call you did so during whatever free time you had. It seemed to work just fine then.
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 13):
Back in my high school days (10-12 years ago) there were a few pay phones.

Pah! You had it easy. In my day it were bloody carrier pigeons! grumpy  old 
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting CaptainJon (Reply 9):
Am I the only one that uses vibrate and finds ring tones annoying as hell?

No, you are not (though I prefer to call it "silent" rather then "vibrate")!  Smile
 
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:40 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):

yes, and the good thing about a great deal of rules is that they go ignored by those people who already possess a great deal of common sense.
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:53 am

To me the need for the cell phones by students is mainly when not in class, especially when in transit to and from school or during lunch breaks when many students can go off the schoolgrounds. Many parents, who may be at their workplace want their kids to call up when the end the school day to tell them where they are, where going to, to keep track of them until the parent can get home. Coin public phones are virtually non-existant due to vandalism, the spread of cell phones, and the need for coins to use (in USA).
One reason for these cell phone bans on school grounds is that they are often used for illegal drug dealing. In the past, beepers were long banned in many schools for that reason.
Most schools recognize the need for balance for these phones. I do agree perhaps that no one less than 12 years old should have a cell phone, including in schools. I am quite sure almost every teacher has a cell phone on at all time when at school for personal communications as well as their safety.
 
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
Cell phones aren't just a fad, they're an active part of today's functioning society. Rules against them are just stupid.

I bet your the one walking down the street or in line at the supermarket carrying on a conversation on your cell phone about absolutley nothing. They are not active part of anything. They were a tool to help in contacting someone in an emergency and then a tool for business but they have becoming annoying and downright obnoxious. There is no reason to have them in school. None whatsoever.
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 17):
To me the need for the cell phones by students is mainly when not in class, especially when in transit to and from school or during lunch breaks when many students can go off the schoolgrounds. Many parents, who may be at their workplace want their kids to call up when the end the school day to tell them where they are, where going to, to keep track of them until the parent can get home. Coin public phones are virtually non-existant due to vandalism, the spread of cell phones, and the need for coins to use (in USA).

Exactly. And this is why not allowing cellphones in the building at all is stupid.

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 8):
schools have many ways to let parents reach their kids, and vice versa, during the day if need be.

In theory, yes. Not in practice. And I can attest to the fact that on 9/11, after the instruction to get the hell out of there had been given, the school no longer had any means of communicating with the students, and if parents had called to find out what was going on, they would have been met with "the students have been evacuated, we don't know where they are". A cellphone would have come in handy then.

It's not about students needing cellphones in class. It's about them needing them after school and for emergencies.

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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
A cellphone would have come in handy then.

Weren't cell lines jammed and basically unusable in NY on 9/11?
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 16):
yes, and the good thing about a great deal of rules is that they go ignored by those people who already possess a great deal of common sense.

And yet, at any given moment when I'm on the road, I can look out my window and see at least one if not several drivers more focused on their phone and conversation than on the traffic around them. Would seem that common sense isn't all that common, at least in these cases.
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 20):
Weren't cell lines jammed and basically unusable in NY on 9/11?

I couldn't tell you. I didn't have one at the time. What I can say is that I had to walk from the north end of Battery Park City to 23rd St in order to find a payphone that didn't have a line stretching to infinity.

It may be the case that they were unusable. However, that shouldn't be cause for saying that they'd be useless in any possible emergency situation. And, as I've mentioned before, cellphones are not just for emergencies - there are things outside of school hours that may require one, and students should be allowed to bring them inside the building if proper measures are taken to ensure that classes are not disrupted.

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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
Rules against them are just stupid.

I take it you don't teach.

In my classroom the rules are simple. I know most of my students have a cell and I'm ok with that. But if I see it or hear it I take it away and drop it off at the office, who then contacts the parent(s) to come and pick it up.

I only have to do this a couple of times before they realize I'm not kidding around and after the second week of school there are very few problems.
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:27 pm

This is so incredibly stupid. I don't care if they have a rule that says they have to be off, but to confiscate them at the door?

Plus, does it really matter if people are using them at lunch time and in study halls?

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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:55 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 24):
Plus, does it really matter if people are using them at lunch time and in study halls?

Lunch no, but study halls yes.

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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 24):
This is so incredibly stupid. I don't care if they have a rule that says they have to be off, but to confiscate them at the door?

Plus, does it really matter if people are using them at lunch time and in study halls?

Definitely not study hall as the student is there for scholastic purposes, not to chat on their cell phone. It would also be disruptive to other students.

After reading input from others, I still am not convinced the NYC ban on cell phones in their schools is a bad thing. I understand the parents wanting to be able to contact their kids before and after school, but I don't see any reason why a student would need to have their phone on their physical person while in class. I guess they could stow them in their lockers once they arrive at school and retrieve them at the end of the day.
 
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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 26):
I guess they could stow them in their lockers once they arrive at school and retrieve them at the end of the day.

I thought of that too, but the problem with that is that in an emergency there might not be time for everyone to go to their lockers.

I really don't see what it so difficult about letting kids carry their phones in their backpacks, turned off.

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RE: School Cell Phone Ban Irks NYC Parents

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:14 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 27):

I really don't see what it so difficult about letting kids carry their phones in their backpacks, turned off.

True. I'm probably just being  old  fashioned.

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