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Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:01 pm

http://content-sl.cricinfo.com/ausve.../content/current/story/268635.html


According to CEO of Cricket Australia, it is not. Any thoughts?
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:16 pm

No, not at all. Stupid is not a racist term, and Indian was not used in a racist way IMO.
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:21 pm

not at all! i call my african-american friend stupid n***** all the time and he doesn't mind it! it depends on the context, i suppose.
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:30 pm

As a resident stupid Indian, my answer is:

Nope. Not racist. They (we) are pretty stupid.

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 2):
not at all! i call my african-american friend stupid n***** all the time and he doesn't mind it! it depends on the context, i suppose.

And since we can't figure out your race (or rather, since you've misrepresented it), we'll just call you Stupid.
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:31 pm

Quoting Don (Thread starter):
According to CEO of Cricket Australia, it is not. Any thoughts?

Not at all racist. If it was this situation was reversed and It was Stupid Australian instead would it still be racist. I think not
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:35 pm

Not racist for me in this context. However, Australian cricketers have had lots of problems with racism in South Asia. Do a search on BBC for a plethora of incidents in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, etc.
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:35 pm

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 2):
i call my african-american friend stupid n***** all the time and he doesn't mind it

hmmm some friend you are
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:39 pm

Hmm I think it would have to do with the context in which 'Indian' was used. Was he refering to the guy being from India, or the guy being of the Indian race. For instance..

Stupid N***** - sounds racist as it is probably said with contempt
Stupid American - not racist as the nationality is being targeted here.
Stupid Indian (race) - racist as it is also probably said with contempt.
Stupid Indian (nationality) - not racist.

Sounds like I confusing myself, I will stop here..

P.S. any of the above said between friends and understood that it is not to be taken seriously doesn't count. Between people who don't "go down" like that, is another ball game.

[Edited 2006-11-18 06:45:55]
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:42 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 7):
Stupid N***** - sounds racist as it is probably said with contempt
Stupid American - not racist as the nationality is being targeted here.
Stupid Indian (race) - racist as it is also probably said with contempt.
Stupid Indian (nationality) - not racist.

Sounds like I confusing myself, I will stop here..

Haha. What the hell are you talking about? You brought some fun to an often tough subject. Cheers for that.
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:56 pm

Is "Bloody Indian" racist?
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 2):
i call my african-american friend stupid n***** all the time

And the twelve year old strikes again . . . . .  sarcastic 

Still looking for that loser emoticon.
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 3):
And since we can't figure out your race (or rather, since you've misrepresented it), we'll just call you Stupid.

here in a.net, it doesn't matter what your race is! everyone is equal. we are all brought together by a similar interest, that is aviation, and that is what matters. i have a dream! that all black people, and all white people, and even all scottish people, can commute on a.net without being judged according to the race!

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 6):
hmmm some friend you are

he calls me the equivalent too, we best buds and we insult each other all the time!
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:34 pm

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 11):
he calls me the equivalent too

what.... a fool?

[Edited 2006-11-18 07:35:30]
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:55 pm

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 11):
we best buds and we insult each other all the time!

A sign of a true and healthy friendship.
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:12 pm

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 11):
can commute on a.net without being judged according to the race!

Commute???

We're gonna start "commuting" on A.net?? Damn, I never got the memo!  Wow!

Well... if I am going to start "commuting," you better give me a set of directions to where I am "commuting" too!!!

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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:15 pm

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 11):
and even all scottish people,

You go too far ! The Scots are a legitimate target for scorn and derision. It's not racism, it's just good sense !  Smile
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:18 pm

**wipes the sweat off my forehead** PHEW!! Thankfully someone sent me the directions for this new "commute" we're doing on anet!  yes 

If anyone wants to car-pool, just let me know. My UH-60 Black Hawk can carry 12 of you fools. But there are no cup holders! You've been warned!

Anyhoo... here are those "commute" directions we need:



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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:30 pm

Some stupid aussie called a Brit, Stupid Indian and it becomes an international issue. Stupid world I say. Big grin
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:32 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 16):
But there are no cup holders! You've been warned!

Bloody hell - call this service ? Do we go past a Dunkin' Donuts ?
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:37 pm

People call me "dumb Canadian" all the time, behind my back, but I hear them. Who's dumb? I don't GARA anyway, but would that be, nationalist, as in discriminating against a nation, as racist would be discriminating against a race?
P.S. Being quiet and polite is construed as "being dumb" in some places.
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:15 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 16):

 laughing 

That looks like a right onto "Christ you're still here? Dr." Oh nevermind its A.net  silly 

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 18):
Bloody hell - call this service ? Do we go past a Dunkin' Donuts ?

HA! I would think a thin and young noble man such as yourself does not eat peasant donuts!!!! (btw you owe me 5 euros for saying that)

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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:50 pm

Oh! And this'll make ya roll. Overheard:
"You don't have to whisper, I saw his I.D. He's Canadian, he doesn't speak American"
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 21):
"You don't have to whisper, I saw his I.D. He's Canadian, he doesn't speak American"

In other words, you speak proper english. Big grin
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:04 pm

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 22):
In other words, you speak proper english.  biggrin 

"eh"?

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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:06 pm

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 20):
btw you owe me 5 euros for saying that)

Shhh ! The brown envelope will be delivered to the usual place.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 20):
peasant donuts!!!!

Oooh stone the blasphemer ! Never malign the noble donut, blessed in scripture and fatwah !

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
"eh"?

 rotfl 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:31 pm

More than just ''Stupid Indian" was said actually: Give us a wave, Monty. You can't speak English, you stupid Indian. I'll have to say it in Indian.

"What are you doing playing in the English side? You're not English" is what was said apparently.

On a side issue, what makes a race?
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 22):
In other words, you speak proper english.

"eh"?

What aboot it?
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 22):
In other words, you speak proper english.

"eh"?

What aboot it?

 shhh  Don't tell Amanda.  rotfl 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:24 pm

Dont think so.
Guess these are minor issues.The world is a bigger place  Smile
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:35 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
Not at all racist. If it was this situation was reversed and It was Stupid Australian instead would it still be racist. I think not

well, if you want to refer to a guy as 'stupid' make it personal. Why does his entire country have to be labelled that way ? I think , while 'stupid Indian' may not be overtly racist, it is a snide remark on the entire Indian race, and so it is racist. And of course, 'Stupid Australian' is also 'racist' in that same way.
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:45 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 29):
well, if you want to refer to a guy as 'stupid' make it personal. Why does his entire country have to be labelled that way ? I think , while 'stupid Indian' may not be overtly racist, it is a snide remark on the entire Indian race, and so it is racist. And of course, 'Stupid Australian' is also 'racist' in that same way.

hmm you can say it that way if you want but I'm an Indian myself and I don't find it racist at all
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:53 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
If it was this situation was reversed and It was Stupid Australian instead would it still be racist.

Perhaps people should think of it as such?

What goes on at the cricket between Australia and England is foul mouthed discrimination with a sense of humour. If someone really got upset at what was said they'd be sledged even more. I don't think that's right. It's akin to asking african-americans to simply 'lighten up' when they become offended by the use of the "n" word. It's a legitimate grievance.

A lot of people do find the way that the English (in particular) talk about Australians to be offensive, and most of us know the English wouldn't have the guts to repeat what they say about us with reference to Indians, the Chinese, Pakistanis or any other nationality with a different racial majority to their own.

National sledging should stop completely, and people should focus on the wretched game in question. That said, the barmy army have been wildly helpful to me, with regards to a particular cause I champion - so we shouldn't rid ourselves of these dregs of the English-speaking world too quickly.  Wink

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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 31):
the wretched game in question

Hehe - well put.

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 31):
said, the barmy army have been wildly helpful to me, with regards to a particular cause I champion - so we shouldn't rid ourselves of these dregs of the English-speaking world too quickly

If ever there was a compelling argument to distance oneself further from "Mother England", that would be it  biggrin . Europe is trying to do the same.
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 19):
People call me "dumb Canadian" all the time, behind my back, but I hear them. Who's dumb? I don't GARA anyway, but would that be, nationalist, as in discriminating against a nation, as racist would be discriminating against a race?
P.S. Being quiet and polite is construed as "being dumb" in some places.

Don't worry, its twice as bad here! When I visit friends in Canada, its "stupid American" to me. And when I'm here in the States, I get lots of "dumb Canadian" insults from my friends here. But I realize its all in jest, and I just insult them right back!
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:25 pm

Ok guys
The guy who was called this is a Brit and not an Indian. So, if he were to be called it Indian , it is with respect to his origin/race. Mudhsuden Singh Panesar (born April 25, 1982 in Luton, Bedfordshire), popularly known as Monty Panesar, is an English cricketer. An attacking left-arm spinner with a classical action, Panesar plays Test cricket for England and county cricket for Northamptonshire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Panesar

He is not an Indian or a dual citizen of India.

I wouldn't put the racist label, but the use of the term "Indian" has an element of contempt in it. You could say they need to have a thick skin etc. because it not the last time somebody is going to hear that.

[Edited 2006-11-19 15:39:18]
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:02 am

If a person of Asian Indian birth or decencency were to be called a 'stupid Indian' in a public place or during a sports event, except said by well established friends, or other Indians here in the USA, it would probably be consided to be a racist and inappropiate thing to say.
 
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RE: Is "Stupid Indian" Racist Or Not?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 32):
If ever there was a compelling argument to distance oneself further from "Mother England", that would be it

True, but their purpose is to humiliate Australian cricketing society. These people are usually very conservative, and aren't supportive of a change to a you-know-what. If the barmy army make these people pause and consider their beliefs as a result of their constant taunts, filthy limericks, and disgusting nationality-based insults - then they've done me a favour.

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