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Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:09 am

Ok time to update the home enterainment center. I am trying to decide between Blue-Ray disc, HD-DVD for my disc player. I already have a collection of over 150+ DVD's. Also cannot decide between Plasma or LCD? Suggestions?
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:32 am

what is blue-ray? *filler*
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 1):
what is blue-ray? *filler*

Basically a competitor to HD-DVD.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_ray
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Also cannot decide between Plasma or LCD? Suggestions?

Depends what size screen you want. LCD should give you the better picture quality but plasma screens have the advantage of size since they are bigger. If I was going to get a new tv I would only choose between a Sony and a Panasonic.
 
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:57 am

Make sure your LCD/Plasma is a high defenition one other wise your HD-DVD/Blu-ray will be pointless.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 5):
To the OP I would give the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD formats some time to shake out kind of like the old days of VHS/BetaMax. One will ultimately be the loser and the players are still ridiculously expensive right now. Give it a year or so and see what happens.

Actually I think they will live harmoniously. The technology already exists to stuff both formats into the one machine. These will appear on the market in the not to distant future I would imagine.

However, if I had to choose a victor it would be Blu-Ray, as it appears to have more support from movie studies, developers and manufacturers.
 
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Also cannot decide between Plasma or LCD? Suggestions?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't LCD screens have a longer life expectancy than plasma screens? I think plasma screens tend to burn out more than LCD's, but don't quote me on that.
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:39 pm

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 11):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't LCD screens have a longer life expectancy than plasma screens? I think plasma screens tend to burn out more than LCD's, but don't quote me on that.

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LCD's are also easier to repair from what I understand.
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:06 pm

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 11):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't LCD screens have a longer life expectancy than plasma screens?

Yes and no - the actual LCD panel should have a much longer life than a plasma tube. But the backlight the LCD needs does indeed exhibit significant aging. It is replaceable in principle, but given the current state of technology (which is still very much transitional), it will probably not be worth it vs. the then much improved successor models.

Quoting SATX (Reply 12):
LCD's are also easier to repair from what I understand.

Only the backlight can be replaced (if you can get a new one at that time). Which is incidentally the main "consumable" in an LCD screen. The panels themselves can't be repaired, but the plasma one will degrade and "burn in", while an LCD doesn't.

On the issue of HD video: Unless you have an uncontrollable urge to be an early adopter, don't jump in now.

The main problems:

- It is not too likely that both Blue Ray and HD DVD will survive in the long run. You've got a 50:50 chance of ending up with an orphan.

- The DRM mechanisms in both formats are brutal - and what is worse is that they're still quite unreliable and quirky at this point.

- All components of your video playback system need to be fully approved by the content industry and fully conform to the DRM restrictions. If either one of them is not recognized, you end up with low-res playback or with a blank screen. At this point, this is happening quite frequently.

- Both formats even feature "revocation lists" which can turn your player into a low-res DVD player at the mercy of the content industry if they deem your particular model cracked at any point in time. Such revocation lists can be carried by any new disk which you might unwittingly have bought in the store and will cripple your player forever.

So in short, simply buy a good TV if you need one right now. Connect a conventional DVD player which has a decent up-scaler to HD resolution and you'll have a lot less hassle than the HD early adopters and still very decent quality.

Once the whole mess is sorted out (and the HD DRM either works properly for the consumer or is retracted), you can upgrade with much less trouble.

If you get a HD screen, it might still be a good idea to get one which is (hopefully!) compatible with the DRM protocol (HDCP/HDMI) since the screen is the component which is the most difficult to replace.


For data storage, Blue Ray looks a lot better than HD DVD; It has a much higher data capacity and will also allow for much more complex movie disks with more special features per disk. It also should have a lot more growth potential than the rather limited HD DVD. HD DVD is only a marginal improvement over conventional DVDs.

So in this regard, I hope Blue Ray will "win" the battle, but I sincerely hope the content industry either get it right eventually and stop screwing their own paying customers or they'll get screwed themselves.
 
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:13 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 8):
However, if I had to choose a victor it would be Blu-Ray, as it appears to have more support from movie studies, developers and manufacturers.

Perhaps Sony learned their lesson from BetaMax.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
Both formats even feature "revocation lists" which can turn your player into a low-res DVD player at the mercy of the content industry if they deem your particular model cracked at any point in time. Such revocation lists can be carried by any new disk which you might unwittingly have bought in the store and will cripple your player forever.

Am I the only one getting pissed off by the copyright folks? How soon to the Norwegian punk cracks this stuff as well?
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 15):
Am I the only one getting pissed off by the copyright folks?

Absolutely not! The biggest and most influential IT magazine in Germany "c't" is regularly explaining the newest atrocities and is severely chastising those jokers for it at every opportunity. And they're by no means isolated.

There's a lot of justification for a reasonable protection of artists and labels, but they're increasingly screwing their honest and paying customers, while the big-time pirates will almost certainly find their way around the limitations. In the end it might be easier and more convenient to buy a pirated copy than fiddling with the buggy and malfunctioning DRM...!   

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 15):
How soon to the Norwegian punk cracks this stuff as well?

Don't know. But it can't be long...!   
The gauntlet has been thrown; My guess is that the dust will hardly have settled before the first cracks will be out.

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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:42 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 4):

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Quoting SATX (Reply 10):

 sarcastic 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):

Excellent Klaus. I'm in need to replace my electricity sucking 60 inch Pioneer that's 12 years old fairly soon . . . and must decide between LCD and Plasma. It's a tough call. I'm concerned that the technology is still too new to make any purchase at the moment a smart one.

If YOU had to pick between a 45" LCD or a 45" Plasma, which would you choose? Manufacturer?

Keep in mind this monster Pioneer I have has been from Alaska to DC to North Carolina and back to Alaska in the last 12 years, and is still in fine form. It's not imperative it be replaced, but the time draws near.
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:06 pm

First things first...
LCD Vs Plasma.

Plasma is cheaper for the size thus allows you to have a larger screen for a set $ amount. They do however suffer from screen burn, and have a shorter life (most won't last longer than about 7 years of normal use without serious degradation). Plasma uses more electricity (about twice as much as a 32" CRT tv)

Having said that, LCD offers higher resolution and richer colours and will last longer (the LCD backlight can be replaced in several years and you will be back to 95% capability again). LCD uses about half as much power as a 32" CRT screen.

In terms of HD LCD vs Plasma there are several models out there claiming to be HD. A lot of these are on 768p resolution. True HD is 1080p (these are generally considered 9th generation plasma or their LCD equilvent).

Make sure they have at least 2 HDMI inputs also  

As for Blu-ray vs HD-DVD...
Both are good, but if I had to make a choice, it would squarely be on Blu-ray...
I think Blu-ray is the more capable, has more ability to grow, and is more widely supported by the companies and studios that really matter. PS3 also comes with Blu-ray and we all know how much of a phenomenon PS1 & 2 have been, no reason why PS3 shouldn't be just as successful (it is more powerful than XB360 and has the support).

As other people have said, I would hold off on getting a HD DVD Player for now both because of the cost at the moment, because of the initial bugs still being sorted out, and because of the format war.
In any case these are likely to be the last of the "disks" in 10 years time its all going to be solidstate (memory cards etc). There are already 2TB SD size cards being tested in Taiwan (thats 2000GB btw thats about 40-80x more capacity than a bluray or HDdvd disk).

Oh and Organic LED screens are just around the corner too... polymer screens etc..
basically it will look like one big sheet of plastic (that could be 14" right thru to the size of your entire wall) that will only cost about $20 to manufacture (development costs will make them initially expensive to buy however) and use 2% of the power of a normal size tv...  

hope that helps  

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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:23 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
I'm in need to replace my electricity sucking 60 inch Pioneer that's 12 years old fairly soon . . . and must decide between LCD and Plasma. It's a tough call. I'm concerned that the technology is still too new to make any purchase at the moment a smart one.

Correct. They're still in a relatively steep development phase and they obsolete correspondingly fast right now.

Spending a lot of money on one of those transitional models might not be wise.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
If YOU had to pick between a 45" LCD or a 45" Plasma, which would you choose? Manufacturer?

No idea - I have no interest in HD video or TV right now. PAL resolution and quality is already substantially above NTSC (especially in widescreen transmissions) so I don't see the point, really.

You always need to remember that the aspect angle (dependent on your distance to the screen) and your physical visual resolution will determine whether you'd actually see anything different with HD equipment. Chances are that you wouldn't, in many cases.

Quoting SATX (Reply 18):
Those days are coming to an end. The DVD encryption system was indeed pathetic by nearly all accounts, but the new systems seem to have learned from all the previous missteps in the past.

Yeah. They've now developed a system which could probably not have been cracked back then...!   

Unfortunately for them, the crackers now have much stronger tools as well...!

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 19):
Plasma uses more electricity (about twice as much as a 32" CRT tv)

Not necessarily - the backlight of an LCD always runs at full power while a plasma screen only has to power the pixels which are supposed to be lit, so the maximum consumption of a plasma screen may be higher, but the average consumption might still be lower than the constant consumption of the LCD.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 19):
Oh and Organic LCD screens are just around the corner too...

Organic LEDs, you mean? Yeah, that will probably be the ultimate stable technology after both plasma and LCD will have vanished again. They'll "just" have to resolve "a few" more lifespan and production issues...!

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Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:32 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
Organic LEDs, you mean? Yeah, that will probably be the ultimate stable technology after both plasma and LCD will have vanished again. They "just" have to resolve lifespan and production issues...!

Ja herr Klaus  Smile
They've aparently solved the colour issues they were having reproducing them etc so thats good...

Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
Not necessarily - the backlight of an LCD always runs at full power while a plasma screen only has to power the pixels which are supposed to be lit, so the maximum consumption of a plasma screen may be higher, but the average consumption might still be lower than the constant consumption of the LCD.

Yes correct about that, but the whole thing about plasma is that it has to be kept in its plasma form which requires considerable (compared to CRT and LCD tvs) electricity.
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:38 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
No idea - I have no interest in HD video or TV right now. PAL resolution and quality is already substantially above NTSC (especially in widescreen transmissions) so I don't see the point, really.

As someone who's seen both native NTSC and PAL, I must say that the difference is not that big and is also a far cry from HDTV/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):

Yeah. They've now developed a system which could probably not have been cracked back then...!

Unfortunately for them, the crackers now have much stronger tools as well...!

I followed the DVD cracking situation from the beginning, the holes in the DVD security system were so wide you could drive a truck through them. I would expect this process to get much harder for everyone involved from here on out.
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:44 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 21):
Ja herr Klaus

Watched a few too many cheesy WWII movies again, have we...?  mischievous 

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 21):
Yes correct about that, but the whole thing about plasma is that it has to be kept in its plasma form which requires considerable (compared to CRT and LCD tvs) electricity.

Unless my memory fails me on this, I'd think that only the active cells will activate the gas into a plasma... black cells shouldn't consume any power at all...
 
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:50 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 22):
As someone who's seen both native NTSC and PAL, I must say that the difference is not that big and is also a far cry from HDTV/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.

I've got the direct comparison... and believe me, the difference is substantial with a good TV!

With digital transmission it's basically down to the image resolution and the bit rate (with more or fewer compression artefacts), but at the aspect angle I'm usually watching TV, a substantial increase in resolution wouldn't make all that much of a difference to me.

Quoting SATX (Reply 22):
I followed the DVD cracking situation from the beginning, the holes in the DVD security system were so wide you could drive a truck through them. I would expect this process to get much harder for everyone involved from here on out.

They'll simply have to use a newer truck...! Big grin
 
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:18 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 24):
I've got the direct comparison... and believe me, the difference is substantial with a good TV!



Seriously, if you need a direct comparison to see the difference, then it's just not that big of a deal in my view. You certainly don't need a side-by-side comparison to see the difference between VHS/TV and DVD/DTV or between DVD/DTV and HDTV/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray. Even my little 20" LCD screen is hooked up to a DVD player that runs at an up-sampled 720p/1080i and even that blows away anything I've ever seen on standard PAL.
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 25):
Seriously, if you need a direct comparison to see the difference, then it's just not that big of a deal in my view.

I was talking about comparing analog NTSC and PAL; And in that case the difference is just particularly striking with a good TV, even though it is unmistakable even on second-rate equipment.

As I said, in the digital domain the difference is much smaller since there the analog signal quality difference is removed from the equation.

Whether one actually sees the HD difference is dependent on eyesight, size of screen and viewing distance. At my TV's size and normal viewing distance, HD would mostly be wasted. I hate sitting directly in front of the TV.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:14 am

Can someone explain what exactly a DLP screen is?
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 31):
Can someone explain what exactly a DLP screen is?

It's one of several types of video projectors; Like every projector, it needs relatively expensive projector lamps which wear out relatively quickly and it will probably not be bright enough for daylight use. DLP projectors have their quirks regarding quickly moving images (most digital screens do, but DLPs are particularly noteworthy).

This site seems to have a pretty good introduction into the technology:
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:14 am

I was about to start a thread about this and upon the confirmation linl, I saw this thread posted. so I'll just jump on here.


Having read the responses above already, let me say...

For looking at cameras, I know there is dpreview.com and dresource.com or something to that effect.

Is there a good website that is impartial and looks at the available techology in the newest flat screen LCDs and PLasmas and the pros and cons between them?


We've been hankering for a decent 42-47 inch flat screen, going over the fireplace and its time to get one. (the fireplace heat and plasma heat wont be a concern as the gap is well insulated)

So while I am not asking for advice, (the two camps hold solid points as to what is better), are there any decent websites to help us make a good choice?


Also, is there anyone out there that has owned BOTH, at one point and can tell their observations, as I think thats the best source of advice.
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:28 am

I'd hold off on the Blu-ray or HDDVD player for awhile, prices are way too high, costs in the industry tend to level off near the 3 year mark so I'd wait at least one more to get your money's worth. Start with a good digital DVD player that works with your LCD or Plasma TV. Its a huge upgrade from that of the previous analog ones. As for TV I'd go for LCD, last longer and are pretty clean now. And anyways HD quality really varies by cable/satillite provider. Verison's optic systems is fiber from house to machine, while some cable companies, such as Cablevision are fiber from machine to local pole(Some cases to house as well but only seen in densly populated areas), then goes to analog wire again. Better Quality than plain analog which is still dominant. It all varies on where you live. I bought a LCD projection HDTV and before I moved the clarity benefits were not that much. The big thing is just getting a digital picture first that makes the picture a whole lot clearer, the market never had time to roll out a huge just Digital line, instead it really just jumped to HD. HD adds a lot as well but you have to be in the right area with the right providers to fully see the full potential of your HD set. Luckily I have Cablevision with a fiber swap out to analog point 1/4 mile from my house.

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Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:57 am

Thanks for the advice so far.

I looked at some TVs the other day and was even more confused. As if it weren't hard enough with plasma vs LCD,then I saw there was 1080 i vs 1080p.

I saw a Pioneer Elite 1080P plasma which just looked awesome!

So are there impartial sites that can help make the decision making easier?
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11):
Plasma is cheaper for the size thus allows you to have a larger screen for a set $ amount. They do however suffer from screen burn,

It takes alot longer, but I have seen images burned into LCD displays before  Wink
 
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 23):
I saw there was 1080 i vs 1080p.

1080p (progressive scan) plants a complete 1080-line frame in one go. 1080i (interlaced) works like current TV in that one scan puts 540 "odd numbered" lines on the screen and the next scan puts 540 "even numbered" lines on the screen. It happens so quickly that it looks like a 1080-line display.

1080p will give you better results than 1080i, especially if there's a lot of motion in the image, but I'm not sure there's a lot of 1080p content yet.

If I were buying right now, I'm not sure I'd be too bothered about 1080p. On the other hand, I guess a 1080p set will be capable of displaying 1080i sources as well.
 
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:40 am

Why waste your money on a plasma or lcd? For a thousand bucks you can get a brand new front projector that easily displays 100inches or more at 720p or 1080i. True, a darker room would be needed than would be needed for a plasma or lcd but most hi-def programming is broadcast at night during prime time and movies are watched in low light environments anyways.
This is the one I have, now priced at $999.
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As far as blue ray versus hd-dvd, hold off on that purchase. What’s going to end up happening is that there won’t be a format winner. Kind of like what happened in the late 1990’s format war between cd-r and cd+r; there was no clear cut winner, so the end results were cd burners that played both. By next year stand alone players that play both blue ray and hd-dvd should be priced below $500.
 
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 26):
By next year stand alone players that play both blue ray and hd-dvd should be priced below $500.

Or get a PS3 - well if u can...
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 26):
Why waste your money on a plasma or lcd?

Its going over the fireplace and a projection screen won't work in the area we are finishing. But thanks.
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:48 pm

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 28):
Its going over the fireplace and a projection screen won't work in the area we are finishing. But thanks.

Gotcha.
Actually, unless you’re buying a $10,000 projector, a screen really isn’t worth it. It’s become common place to use non reflective white paint, which works surprisingly well.

Just curious why you’re installing your display over the fireplace? Don’t get me wrong, it looks cool hanging above the fireplace, but actually watching it is like watching a movie in the front row of a movie theater.
 
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:17 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
Watched a few too many cheesy WWII movies again, have we...?
nein, I used to have a German g/f back in the day but yeah can't really remember much unfortunately, would love to be able to speak the language, just thought it was a nice touch, I guess it could appear to be cheesy ?

Quoting Pilotsmoe (Reply 24):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11):
Plasma is cheaper for the size thus allows you to have a larger screen for a set $ amount. They do however suffer from screen burn,

It takes alot longer, but I have seen images burned into LCD displays before

Hmm older LCD's did suffer from this problem a bit, newer ones not so much. It mostly occured when it was the same image/text displayed pretty much non-stop (eg overhead checkin counters that had one airlines logo most of the time). In everyday normal use of tv/movies you would not get this problem.

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Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:14 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 30):
nein, I used to have a German g/f back in the day but yeah can't really remember much unfortunately, would love to be able to speak the language, just thought it was a nice touch, I guess it could appear to be cheesy ?

No problem. I appreciate the sentiment.  Smile

But the formal "Herr ..." normally only goes with the family name and is a formal way of addressing someone, with a fair bit of personal distance implied. Admitted, my assumption was at least as much prejudiced as the one I was expecting...!

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 30):
Hmm older LCD's did suffer from this problem a bit, newer ones not so much. It mostly occured when it was the same image/text displayed pretty much non-stop (eg overhead checkin counters that had one airlines logo most of the time). In everyday normal use of tv/movies you would not get this problem.

I've never seen a "burnt-in" LCD myself, but as far as I'm aware it's a reversible effect with LCDs, contrary to plasmas or CRTs.
 
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Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:01 am

I'm hearing hte new plasmsa, perhaps by LG, have a feature that can reseve or white out the burn in on a plasma. ANy experience with that anyone? Sounds like interesting technology.
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Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 32):
I'm hearing hte new plasmsa, perhaps by LG, have a feature that can reseve or white out the burn in on a plasma. ANy experience with that anyone? Sounds like interesting technology.

I'd have my doubt about that. The burn-in effect is a physical degradation of the phosphor substances; The only hope would be to detect the worst-affected pixels and boosting the signal there or attenuate it elsewhere, in both cases leading to less visible but in the end accelerated damage.
 
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:26 am

One interesting point is that Broadcom is developing a chip

that combines both Blu-ray™ and HD DVD optical disc formats into a highly integrated, single-chip design. Building upon its successful first-generation Blu-ray/HD DVD SoC solution, Broadcom has developed a next-generation universal player SoC that not only significantly surpasses current chip technology in integration and performance, but will further the advancement of high definition media players. The new Broadcom® SoC has an advanced feature set, coupled with a software stack that is compliant with both Blu-ray and HD DVD specifications, providing OEMs with a complete platform for future generation media players that support both disc formats, as well as other home entertainment and network applications.

http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=929044

I am also aware of NEC providing similiar chips to allow compatibility between the two, but I don't believe that it will be allowed in the US.
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
If YOU had to pick between a 45" LCD or a 45" Plasma, which would you choose? Manufacturer?

I know I'll get some flack for this answer, but having lived with all three high-end formats, rear-projection, LCD, and plasma, and viewed the latest iterations in dark rooms setup for home theater demonstration, my vote goes for LCD under 40" and plasma for over 40".

The refresh rates on large LCDs just aren't up to par yet, and frequently pixelize with fast-moving scenes, especially from a digital cable source (if the bandwidth being pushed through varies).

One thing most people don't think about when buying a home theater setup is the amount of bandwidth the main unit can handle. When I bought my last setup 3 or 4 years ago, Pioneer was the only sub-$1000 amp that pushed through all the video bandwidth--some models at the time only pushed through about 1/3 to 1/2 of the bandwidth. I'm sure things have changed in the ensuing years, but still important to check if that's how you're going to feed your video to the screen.

I recently had to replace a malfunctioning DVD player, and just went for a cheap Philips model to see me through until all the new formats shake out. My next really nice DVD player will probably be from these folks:

http://www.oppodigital.com/
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:59 am

Actually, I have been keeping my eye on a Pioneer Elite Plasma. I think its a 50 inch. It looks great.

As for what is pshing what through, all I know is so far I have an HDMI cable running through the wall and I may have to snake another through now  Sad
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:49 am

I bought a Pioneer 43" Plasma last Christmas and just love it. I spent a year researching this and that, and am glad didn't buy an LCD (Bravia). As for burn-in, it's the first 100 hours that matter most, so make sure you stretch to fit during that period.

Panasonic took out a full page ad recently saying that Plasma is still tops for bigger sizes.

I just bought a PS3 today (for the Blu-ray DVD player) - will report on it soon! I'm not sure what it'll do to my TV if my little niece plays games on it.

If you must look at LCD, check out RUNCO - had the best pic I saw on an LCD.
 
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:49 am

LCD vs Plasma seems to be biannual topic here.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 37):
I bought a Pioneer 43" Plasma last Christmas and just love it. I spent a year researching this and that, and am glad didn't buy an LCD (Bravia). As for burn-in, it's the first 100 hours that matter most, so make sure you stretch to fit during that period.

I bought a 42" plasma 4.5 years ago. NO BURN, still bright, works flawlessly. Most people who discuss these topics don't own either LCD or plasma technology, they just repeat what they hear.

I see a huge a difference when I'm looking at a plasma and LCD. I don't think LCD looks near as good as a plasma. Even with the best DVD player/scaler/HDTV/SDTV its all the same, plasma looks 10x better to ME.

You might be different though. You have my opinion, but you need to go to a store and look at both. You might love the LCDs, and if that is the case, go for it! Trust your eyes, not so much the opinion of any of us.
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 35):
my vote goes for LCD under 40" and plasma for over 40".

Agreed. My dad just bought a Panasonic 58" plasma after doing tons (and I mean tons - when he's buying something, he does a ridiculous amount of research) of searching online for reviews and going to various electronics stores, and while it was pricey (nearly $5000), it's totally worth every penny. The picture is absolutely stunning, especially because our cable company provides a large number of channels in HD.
 
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:58 am

well, I still have my sights on a 50 inch pioneer. but that Elite Pioneer is big bucks, $7600 on sale.

Then again, the newer 1080P LCD sets are looking pretty good too. As time goes on, I am not convinced the 1080P plasma is better than the 1080P LCD. I'm finding fewer differences.

I might look into Panasonic too. Sounds like your dad's set is pretty good.

What is annoying is that in some stores, they dont showcase all the TV's with all the same inputs. So you can't compare apple to apples.
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Also cannot decide between Plasma or LCD? Suggestions?

I just got the 46" Sony Bravia LCD flat panel. I have the Directv HDTV package
and the picture is unbeliveable.

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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 40):
As time goes on, I am not convinced the 1080P plasma is better than the 1080P LCD. I'm finding fewer differences.

No one makes a true 1080i plasma (1080x1920). And resolution is not everything. My plasma is 480p and because the brightness and contrast are so great it puts some high res models to shame.
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RE: Blue Ray/HD-DVD/LCD/Plasma

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:18 am

Can only go by my limited experience:

My roommate and I just bought a 40" Samsung LCD HDTV a few weeks ago. 1080i resolution. Quite nice, and got it for about $1800 I think.

Obviously, we've only had it for a little while, but thusfar, no complaints. Football games look freakin awesome on ESPNHD.
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