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Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:04 am

Yes, it is of course my computer. *sigh*

At first everything seems normal. The internet is working fine, browsing through folders and files works fine...
But as soon as I start using various programs, things slow down to the ridiciolous.

Examples:

* When making changes in the video editing program Pinnacle Studio which used to be done in a sec, it now takes up to a minute before the change is made. Other times, the program freezes and has to be closed by force.

* I am currently burning out two audio files onto a CD (yeah I know, just 2 songs), with a total size of 40MB, something which used to be done in under a minute.
It has now been nearly 15 minutes, and it just passed half way...

What the hell is going on? I can't remember anything happening to the computer which would cause this.
The problem occured around the time that I agreed to download some windows updates. This took forever too, so possibly the problem occured even before that. I never got more than "2% complete" on downloading the updates, even though it was running all day. I finally decided to abort the update, hoping things would speed up again.

Didn't work.

Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this problem?

If it takes nearly 30 minutes to burn out 40MB, I dread the day when I have to burn out a DVD.  Sad

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:20 am

Check for malware. Your computer might be infected.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
Check for malware. Your computer might be infected.

Wouldn't be surprised...

Will have to invest in a Anti virus program then..

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Thom@s (Thread starter):
The problem occured around the time that I agreed to download some windows updates.

 scratchchin 

There's your problem right there.
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 2):
Will have to invest in a Anti virus program then..

As far as I remember, there are also several free packages you could use. Some of them contain spyware themselves, so I leave more concrete recommendations to others who have more experience with Windows pest control.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:38 am

Adaware
AVG - get it quick while it's still free
Spybot

All good, all free.
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:48 am

Quoting Thom@s (Thread starter):
The problem occured around the time that I agreed to download some windows updates.

After certain Windows updates, it seems you can get a problem with helpsvc.exe running riot. If you don't use Windows Help then you can stop that process. Check Task Manager to see how much CPU time it's taking up.

Having said that, I have to say I've had similar problems with Pinnacle Studio, though not so much with Version 10 Plus. I ended up having to shorten the clip that the burn was "sticking" on. I don't think I ever tried dividing a problem clip into shorter clips, without losing anything - I just thought of that now.  Smile
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:57 am

It is always good to read the reviews on anti virus programs. There are a number of free programs out there on the market. I personally use:
antivir
(I also find CCleaner: http://www.ccleaner.com/ is good at cleaning the computer)

If you are not sure, there is also a free online scanner on the Microsoft website: http://safety.live.com/site/en-gb/default.htm
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
There's your problem right there.

I dunno... I have downloaded updates without trouble before...

Also the fact that the dowload of the most recent uploads took so long, could indicate that the slow PC trouble had already occured.

Quoting David L (Reply 6):
Check Task Manager to see how much CPU time it's taking up.

Couldn't anything "wrong" there. (Although the PC TV card was working a bit for no reason, so I shut it down... No noticable effect.)

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 7):
free online scanner on the Microsoft website:

Downloading and trying it out now..

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 8):

Downloading and trying it out now..

It takes its time. Hopefully you will end up with a faster computer  Smile
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:34 am

11% and one item detected so far.

Thank God the internet isn't running as slow as the other programs.  Smile

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 8):
Quoting David L (Reply 6):
Check Task Manager to see how much CPU time it's taking up.

Couldn't anything "wrong" there.

It only happened to one of my four PCs. Ah well, it was just a thought.  Smile
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
Check for malware. Your computer might be infected.

I'd second that, programs I use are AVG anti-virus, Ad-Aware (to remove spyware) and I find Windows Defender to be fairly good too.

Have you tried defragging your hard-drive recently? May be of some help, however it may take 74632991 hours to complete if your system is running as slow as you describe.

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:55 am

Run a boot-time check disk and then defrag. You'd be amazed at the difference it can make. Especially if you've never done either of those.
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:20 pm

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 12):
Have you tried defragging your hard-drive recently? May be of some help, however it may take 74632991 hours to complete if your system is running as slow as you describe.



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 13):
Run a boot-time check disk and then defrag. You'd be amazed at the difference it can make. Especially if you've never done either of those.

I believe both these operations were made during the Windows online scan I performed. Everything has been cleaned up, but no improvement I'm afraid.

I guess I'll need a spyware / adware or antivirus program. Can anyone recommend a decent safe one? (With a link would be nice.)

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 14):
I believe both these operations were made during the Windows online scan I performed

I don't think an online scan does a defrag. Run your defrag program anyway; it'll tell you if the drive needs to be done.
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:39 am

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 15):
I don't think an online scan does a defrag.

Well it said "Now defragging your harddrive", and it did it to both harddrives. So I would guess it has done it, but it wouldn't hurt to try again.

However another weird thing has happened to the PC now... As soon as the screensaver comes on, instead of displaying the usual photos, it says "Could not find any image files in the folder".

But after a quick check, I found the images were still there. On the "preview" of the screensaver it worked like normal... but not when the screensaver actually came on.

I fear this is the beginning of something bad...  Sad

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 16):
Well it said "Now defragging your harddrive", and it did it to both harddrives. So I would guess it has done it, but it wouldn't hurt to try again.



Quoting Thom@s (Reply 16):

I fear this is the beginning of something bad...

Seriously, run a boot-time check disk. Defrag won't touch any files currently in use by Windows, which is a significant amount. Defrag also doesn't do any kind of disk integrity checking or error correction, and no surface scan either. So again I say, run a boot-time check disk. Here's how...

Open My Computer. Right click on each drive/partition in turn and select Properties. On the 'Tools' tab, the first option if 'Error-checking'. Hit the 'Check Now' button and put a checkmark in both boxes on the pop-up window. Hit OK, and you'll get a message that you need to schedule a scan on the next reboot. Say Yes, and then reboot your computer. The reboot will take it in to a check disk mode, and depending on the disk size, number of files, any errors found and fixed etc., it might take a while
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 17):

OK, thanks, I'll try it when I get home tomorrow.  Smile

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:29 am

I had the same kinds of problems with Pinnacle Studio. Perhaps they have some new updates to download now, but I tried their updates as of 3 months ago and serious problems remained: crashing, freezing, going so slow I didn't know if it was frozen or just super slow. I think it could easily be your problem.

Apparently, they release a new version that's been extremely buggy, and they are having trouble fixing things. If you go to the forums on the their website, you'll see lots of discussion about these kinds of things. Someone may offer some insight into what you can do. There may also be video card incompatibilities, etc.

Personally I would not recommend Pinnacle Studio to anyone.
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:51 am

Here some quick tips:

1. Get Norton Anti Virus and run a full system check.
2. What's your VGA Card? Memory?
you need to have a decent memory and VGA Card
3. Download an Anti spyware program and run it. Delete every spyware.

Most computers now should have 1 Gig Memory. Pentium 4 3.0 or above
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting Palladium (Reply 20):
1. Get Norton Anti Virus and run a full system check.

 thumbsdown 

Waste of money. AVG Free and some of the other free anti-virus programs are just as good.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 21):
 thumbsdown 

Waste of money. AVG Free and some of the other free anti-virus programs are just as good.

Not only a waste of money, a waste of system resources. Norton will just slow the system down further.

Not free, but get NOD32 from ESET. Best and lightest out there.
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 19):
Personally I would not recommend Pinnacle Studio to anyone.

I would  Smile but you need a decent PC to run it.
Anyway, the problem is not limited to Pinnacle, so that doesn't appear the problem...

Quoting Palladium (Reply 20):
Most computers now should have 1 Gig Memory.

I believe I have 526MB... but that should still do...

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:49 am

Nothing beats my old Commodore 64 I have kept as a souvenir
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 16):
However another weird thing has happened to the PC now... As soon as the screensaver comes on, instead of displaying the usual photos, it says "Could not find any image files in the folder".

Is this computer networked? If so, check your network connection.

Quoting Palladium (Reply 20):
Download an Anti spyware program and run it. Delete every spyware.

Be careful with these, as some anti-spyware programs ARE spyware.
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:16 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 24):
Nothing beats my old Commodore 64 I have kept as a souvenir

WADR I think the IBM 1620 would have beaten it into a cocked hat - whatever that is. This was back in the days of consoles of flashing lights. When you executed an IF statement in Fortran, say in a Do loop, the light paused for about 0.25 secs on the combination for an IF statement, so you could actually count the iterations through a DO loop, if you had nothing better to do!

That was a large 1620 with 60K of memory too and 4 tape drives. What is truly astonishing is how much length of tape used to be taken up writing relatively little data. Masses of tape for what you can now get on a couple of screens.

And there were slower beasties before that.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:43 pm

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 25):
Is this computer networked? If so, check your network connection.

Not sure what you mean... As in connected to another computer? If so, then no.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 25):
Be careful with these, as some anti-spyware programs ARE spyware.

That's what I'm worried about. When I got a anti spyware thing for my previous computer, it didn't seem to do much help.. Can anyone recommend a free downloadable program for removing spyware/adware?




Btw, I tried the error checking but that just took too long. I'll have to do it again sometime ehen I'm not using the computer for a long while. (Hmm, when I go away on summer holiday maybe..?)  Wink

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:10 pm

While we're on the subject of wonky 'puters, mine has an odd habit. If I've had it on for an hour, or so, approximately every fifteen minutes all of my applications go inactive for a few seconds and one pixel in the middle of the screen turns white. Then, everything goes back to normal. Any ideas?
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 24):
Nothing beats my old Commodore 64 I have kept as a souvenir

...as a doorstop, maybe.  Smile
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 27):
Not sure what you mean... As in connected to another computer? If so, then no.

If it's the computer you're posting from, of course it is networked - to the internet and thus to millions of other computers...!
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:32 am

After checking for viruses and malware/spyware/bots with the programs mentioned above, dont' forget to get a program to clean up your registry too.

There are a few of them that are free and do a fairly good job. CCleaner does it for instance.

My picks are AVG (7.5 is out), Spybot, Ad-aware and Cclean (all freebies) but there's plenty more.
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:17 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
If it's the computer you're posting from, of course it is networked - to the internet and thus to millions of other computers...!

*Slaps head* Of course...  Smile

Well, since AVG has been mentioned fairly often, I think I'll go with that.

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:04 pm

Quoting Thom@s (Thread starter):

Are you sure you have enough RAM in your computer? Some programs eat a lot of it and things get very slow. I mean you seem to only have this problem with some programs.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:12 pm

Quoting Agill (Reply 33):
Are you sure you have enough RAM in your computer? Some programs eat a lot of it and things get very slow. I mean you seem to only have this problem with some programs.

I think there should be enought RAM... And it appears pretty much all programs I use are affected by the problem. They taken longer to open... and some take longer to operate.

I have filled up the PC with quite a lot lately though, many movies/series and a few games and stuff. But I'd be surprised if that was the source of the problem... Just to be sure I could clean up some space and get rid of some things that only take up space. I doubt it will make a difference though, as I already have like 60GB free space... Won't hurt to try anyway.

Anyway I'm running AVG anti spyware now, and so far it's found 25 infected files. All cookies.

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:06 pm

Ok, update:

I have defragged both my harddrives, no improvement on the slow working computer.

I downloaded AVG anti spyware. It keeps finding a few infected cookie files, which are removed. No improvement.

I ran a disk check (checking for errors) on both harddrives, no errors found.

I've run a disk cleanup nd removed some GB of unnecessary stuff, which unsurprisingly didn't help.

The only thing remaining is to run a full virus scan with AVG anti virus. I started running a full scan yesterday, but it was taking ages, so I'll have to try again when I have some more time available.

I just don't get this...

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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:55 am

I'd do a reinstall and see if things improve. Your computer seem al borked up.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Worlds Slowest Computer?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:10 am

You know...it could just be Windows. It's not unheard of for Windows just to start behaving oddly. Sounds like you've spent a long time trying to diagnose this issue, and you could probably spin your wheels for a lot longer. I would put money on it being all cleared up in a couple of hours if you backup your data, then format your HD and reinstall Windows from scratch.
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