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Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:37 am

According to a recent news story, a thirteen-year-old student who was continually bullied by his schoolmates committed suicide by hanging himself from his bunk. In a double tragedy, a female student in the same school who was depressed over the death also allegedly killed herself.

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Yesterday an inquest into Paul's death in Blackpool, Lancashire, heard that his mother had complained three times to staff at Lytham St Annes High School that he was being bullied.

Mrs Moran, 45, told the hearing: "One day he came home covered in eggs and flour and crying his eyes out. He could not understand why he was being picked on and kept saying 'Why me, why me?'.

"They even tore his Liverpool football bag which upset him. The school bus stop was right outside our house but often he would get off a few stops earlier to avoid more trouble."

One day he was pushed out of his seat on the top deck and thrown down the stairs, and on another his boots were thrown off the bus, she said.

See:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...lies+pelt+him+with+food/article.do

What a truly sad story.
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:38 pm

I can't stand this shit, I really can't. I had to transfer to another school to get away from shit like that. 9 times out of 10, though. the administration does nothing. "uh, yeah. Although you didn't start the fight and were put in a position to defend yourself, we are still going to suspend you for a week (!!!!) " Whatever.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Mrs Moran, 45, told the hearing: "One day he came home covered in eggs and flour and crying his eyes out. He could not understand why he was being picked on and kept saying 'Why me, why me?'.

"They even tore his Liverpool football bag which upset him. The school bus stop was right outside our house but often he would get off a few stops earlier to avoid more trouble."

One day he was pushed out of his seat on the top deck and thrown down the stairs, and on another his boots were thrown off the bus, she said.

Great job. Somebody deserves a lawsuit.
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:28 pm

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 2):
A.netter Said To Kill Self After Merciless Thread Starting By AerospaceFan

Hmmmm, 4 threads in a span of 2 hours, each pair 10 minutes apart?

AerospaceFan, do you go through the daily newspaper and post every headline you could find?

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teas

Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:30 pm

I've often thought that teachers in these cases should be bought up on charges of negligent homicide.

I'm not so sure about this story, but some of these stories are just so painfully obvious that the teacher knew (or should have known) something was going to happen and they just failed to report it.

Edit: And my prayers are with both of them during the Christmas season. I'm sure the the discovery had a long lasting effect on that boy's sister.

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[Edited 2006-11-22 06:37:44]
 
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):

Yesterday an inquest into Paul's death in Blackpool, Lancashire, heard that his mother had complained three times to staff at Lytham St Annes High School that he was being bullied.

Whoops. Never mind what I said about it not being applied to this case. There should be a criminal investigation to those who carelessly managed the three complaints. And, I'm no fan of lawsuits, but it sounds like the administrators and the school should definitely be sued.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:40 pm

Truly sad and I hope the 2 children will Rest in Peace, though like their families I wish they were still here with us. A totally senseless thing that did not need to happen. Now that it is too late, the school will act.
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:05 pm

Sadly, this kind of suicides are very common in Japan...
The education minister even had to release a statement last week, asking children to stop bullying.

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/390738

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/390660
http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/390436

and the list goes on...
 
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 4):
I've often thought that teachers in these cases should be bought up on charges of negligent homicide.

I was bullied as a child but I also have a teacher as a parent. I agree that something needed to be done and that in most cases nothing is ever done, but I don't think that means we should charge the teachers with homicide. Merely using one extreme example to propose another equally extreme solution is not a wise way to handle the problem.

It amazes me how common bullying is even today. Many of the parents I know don't seem to mind if their kid is a bully to other kids so long as they don't get caught. Sometimes I'll ask them what kind of Christian in Jesusland willingly lets their kids go around punching other kids, but they're all convinced it's no big deal.
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:45 pm

Got that right AOM.

Parents all over this country are discussing the bullying problem but nobody seems to be willing to take the steps needed to really address it. For starters, teachers absolutely will not say anything negative to parents about their children. That needs to stop. A lot of parents here have absolutely no idea what little terrors their otherwise studious kids are to others.
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:50 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 8):

Agreed.

How can we consider charging a teacher/school administrator with responsibility for this type of action when the parents aren't held accountable.

If the home life is such that no one gives a damn, all the browbeating by the teachers/administrators isn't going to matter.

In recent years (the last two or so) Anchorage School District has really begun to crack down HARD on bullying in schools. It was quite a problem here in years past. This school district has a very, very long way to go, but the punishment for bullying is quite strict. The school district had been sued several times in recent years - and that (IMO) is what forced them to strengthen their position on bullying.

That does not however solve the problem of what happens off school grounds/off the school bus. Where does the responsibility of the school district end and the responsibility of the parent begin. IMO, the parental responsibility does not and should not end. But there must be a line for the school district.

Lets start by taking the parents of these bullies to task. IMO, if parents did their jobs in this country at least 25% of the time, a lot of problems would be solved. Instead we have the X-Box generation with no respect for anything or anyone . . . and they are running rampant.
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:57 pm

There was an interesting video made here in Canada called "A Girl's World" which I saw in a Social Justice class in my 2nd year, still stands out in my mind. Essentially a camera crew was sent to a public school and filmed girls and their relationships with one another. It was phenomenal the amount of bullying that went on, and the pressures that some of these young girls felt. Eventually the parents were confronted with the video of their girls behavior, and subsequently the girls themselves. Very interesting to see the dichotomy between the parents of the bullies say "that's just girls being girls" and those parents whose children were being bullied.

I also recalled another video in which bullying led to a girls suicide in Eastern Canada, eventually charges were brought against the bullies, a few were convicted of very minor offenses, and of course, mostly under the YOA (Young Offenders Act).

In any case, bullying in schools needs to be addressed, punishments should be harsh, but in the end, I think a lot of times bullying is hard to spot and possibly even more difficult to back up with tangible evidence.
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:58 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
According to a recent news story, a thirteen-year-old student who was continually bullied by his schoolmates committed suicide by hanging himself from his bunk. In a double tragedy, a female student in the same school who was depressed over the death also allegedly killed herself.

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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
Lets start by taking the parents of these bullies to task. IMO, if parents did their jobs in this country at least 25% of the time, a lot of problems would be solved. Instead we have the X-Box generation with no respect for anything or anyone . . . and they are running rampant.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:29 pm

Lucky for me our school is quite simple

We have video cameras all over our school
We have bus aunties to control any violence
If ever a complaint is made against someone for verbal bullying then he is monitored very closely by the school authorities
If a person is caught bullying anyone he/she is given a stern warning and it goes inside your portfolio
If that same person is caught again then he is given a suspension from 3-5 days
If he/she is caught again than he will either be asked to leave or be expelled

These are the rules as far as I am aware

Verbal bullying has very harsh consequences and if a person has gotten into trouble before than action will be taken respectively and at all times all parents will be notified to make sure that your student dosent become a bully

Our school is extremely strict on bullying especially racism, which I have been subjected to a few times, but generally the teachers handle it very well.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting Iamcanadian (Reply 2):
Hmmmm, 4 threads in a span of 2 hours, each pair 10 minutes apart?

AerospaceFan, do you go through the daily newspaper and post every headline you could find?

I guess it has occured to you that most of the good, really good political, intellectual, and such stories are brought to us by ASF? Probably not, so shut your trap. Courteously, please.

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 4):
And, I'm no fan of lawsuits, but it sounds like the administrators and the school should definitely be sued.

Absolutely.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
X-Box generation with no respect for anything or anyone . . . and they are running rampant.

ANCFlyer, Ill have to agree with you there. As a member of the 'X-box generation' I can say that my parents brought me up to respect others, and especially adults.

But those rues werent implied on the children in the school when i was younger. I was bullied very severely, but stoutely told my parents not to report it, as I knew i could handle it on my own. See, after a while, the criticism just bounced. 'Hehe, youre a fatty!' Me: 'Oh really, you think? Im so flattered you noticed. *louder voice* wait, you want touch my balls?!?!'

Now, im 6'3", 215, abd i can deliver one mean punch, so im left alone. but i do sticj up for the smaller ones. just the other day a fat kid was being teased before school, and yelled at him (it was in a classroom before school) to shut the hell up, well he didnt. so i walked over, picked him up by his shirt (a wonderful tactic, I must say) and told him that if didnt shut his trap, I MIGHT just have to teach him how. I didnt have to teach, by the way.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:03 pm

My wife's cousins were around 10 or 11 when the family emigrated to Perth in the late 70's. Being the new kids and pom kids at school in oz was hell, at that time, and they had to enrol in karate and kick the sh!t out of their assailants a few times before they were left alone.

The problem with bullying is once you're seen as a target then more people feel the need to join in. And at schools there are no sanctions. What can you do to the bully? Detention? Expulsion? A fine? And there are 24 hours in a day, not just the time at school and going to and from school, where you can be bullied by email, text, blog or whatever.


What is so sad is that abuse of children by adults results in all sorts of action, but kids doing much the same to other kids is shrugged away as "well what can we do?"
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:12 pm

This is truly a tragic story. Sadly, the bullying phenomenon is not uncommon at all. I just wonder how many bullied students are driven to desperate measures--especially suicide? Bullying is an inexcusable, tragic phenomenon that CAN and WILL destroy the victim. From personal experience, I know that kids can be the most cruel, inhuman savages out there.

With my craniofacial anomalies, I have experienced severe bullying myself--especially in my junior high years (1988-1990). This was a living hell for me. It was a daily thing for me to experience--verbal taunting, physical abuse, even death threats on occasion from classmates at my public middle school. Even the principal of the middle school did not do anything about it; in fact, one day he told my mom to her face that "the kids would give Francis more respect if he'd just take off that 'Walkman'"--he was referring to the large, bulky hearing aid I was wearing then! Before that, I had faced rejection from teachers at my previous parochial elementary school (in fact, that school did not even want me in the first place). In fact, it destroyed me emotionally for several years afterwards--I became like a zombie, cold, and hard on the outside.

It took many years to recover from the "purgatory" of junior high--even after I had transferred out of my public school system to a smaller college-preparatory high school (where for the first time ever I felt welcomed and loved and treated with human dignity). Even in the nurturing environment of my high school, I still had to learn to trust people again and express my feelings (which I had deeply buried inside myself); I was for a few years a cold, hard, zombie-type person, just going through the motions of life. However in that environment, I began to come out of my shell, trust people again, and finally begin to become the person I was meant to be and to meet my potential.

It was due to my faith in God (which I somehow held onto, even in the hell of junior high), my supportive family, my high school, and my friends, that I was able to become myself again, meet my potential, and go on to do what I am doing now here in London.

What might have happened eventually to me if I had not been able to escape the situation in junior high or recover from it? I shudder to think what might have happened to me ultimately...

When will this atrocity called bullying stop? When will school administrators, teachers, and others realize it and start cracking down on it?

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:22 am

Lucky for me my teachers were alert enough to prevent the worst of it, but still many days in school for me were hell.
Often enough I was afraid to go outside during breaks, only in the classroom was I left alone (good thing about an old fashioned school, the teachers didn't allow disturbances) and when outside I'd always stay in visual contact with supervising teachers.
If that failed, I could count on bruises and torn clothes.

Being the kid who's good at math and other scholarly subjects but bad at sports, AND wearing glasses, AND living outside the village, I was the perfect victim.

I was happy when that school was done and I could get to another school where I wasn't such an outcast, but I never turned into a person who likes socialising.
25 years on I'm still pretty much a loner, shaped by the bullies of a bygone era.
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
How can we consider charging a teacher/school administrator with responsibility for this type of action when the parents aren't held accountable.

If the home life is such that no one gives a damn, all the browbeating by the teachers/administrators isn't going to matter.

In this case, it sounds like the mother complained to the school, and did have more than a passing interest in what was going on.

I got bullied quite a bit when I was young-I was always very small compared to most in my class-but it was never to the extent of what it said in that article.

How about charging the parents of the kids who were unmerciful to this kid, if you can identify them? Seems like that's where a lot of the responsibility lies as well.

Hope the Good Lord is merciful to those two kids, and their families.
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:00 am

Reading this story did bring a tear to my eye, I'm sure it did to most people here.
I suffered from severe bullying when I was 10 until I was 12.
It has destroyed my confidence (socially) which I have only recently begun to replenish.
Such a sad story here.
Theres not much else you can say - tragic.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 7):
I agree that something needed to be done and that in most cases nothing is ever done, but I don't think that means we should charge the teachers with homicide. Merely using one extreme example to propose another equally extreme solution is not a wise way to handle the problem.

Someone at the school (I'm assuming a Vice Principal or Principal) was alerted to the bullying three times.

Now, imagine if this were a patient at an ER instead. The patient went up to a physician and said "I'm having chest pain and nausea" three times and each time the physician didn't act. The patient then died. Everyone on this board, and I'm sure you yourself (rightfully so) would be saying the physician should be sued and loose his license.

I don't see this being any different.

Quoting SATX (Reply 7):

It amazes me how common bullying is even today. Many of the parents I know don't seem to mind if their kid is a bully to other kids so long as they don't get caught. Sometimes I'll ask them what kind of Christian in Jesusland willingly lets their kids go around punching other kids, but they're all convinced it's no big deal.

Normal teasing is, I think, just part of regular life and I don't think people should go nuts about it. After all, they'll just face it at some point later in life, in college, at work, in their neighborhood, whatever.

But when it crosses a certain line, like this case did, someone needs to intervene.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):

Instead we have the X-Box generation with no respect for anything or anyone . . . and they are running rampant.

Spare me. I'm pretty sure teasing didn't start in 2002.

Hearing stories of my parents' schooling in the 1960s and 1970s make me feel like today's schools, with filled to the brim with the "X-Box generation", are a hell of a lot nicer than they were.

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 15):
Even the principal of the middle school did not do anything about it; in fact, one day he told my mom to her face that "the kids would give Francis more respect if he'd just take off that 'Walkman'"--he was referring to the large, bulky hearing aid I was wearing then! Before that, I had faced rejection from teachers at my previous parochial elementary school (in fact, that school did not even want me in the first place). In fact, it destroyed me emotionally for several years afterwards--I became like a zombie, cold, and hard on the outside.

That's horrible the principal did that. He should have been fired on the spot for that comment. It seems like schools, especially public ones, are just a breeding ground for spineless, lazy and incompetent individuals.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:43 am

Very sad story.

Happy that when someone teases me, I'll just act like I can't see the teaser or just kick him hard. It has worked.  devil  Me bad boy.

But that was just very bad, how he was teased, thrown eggs and flour... ooof, that's just too much.

Hope the situation in Japan will go better.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 18):
Reading this story did bring a tear to my eye, I'm sure it did to most people here.

Almost did to me. But it conjurs up memories of being humiliated by people when I was little, and how much it hurt, and how you didn't want to tell anyone.

I think of Emilio Estevez's character in "The Breakfast Club", and how he tells the story of taping together the buns of a weak skinny kid once, and how humiliated the kid must have been. And it is terribly humliating.

If people only stopped to THINK for a minute how they'd feel, they'd refrain from such idiocies.
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:02 am

This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to beat and sue the parents.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Instead we have the X-Box generation with no respect for anything or anyone . . . and they are running rampant.

Agreed. Think I'll homeschool my kids.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:23 pm

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 22):
This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to beat and sue the parents.

Quite honestly, how would the parents of the bullying kids know? Did the parents of the bullied child call the parents of the bullies directly? How else would it ever be possible to know?

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 19):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):

Instead we have the X-Box generation with no respect for anything or anyone . . . and they are running rampant.

Spare me. I'm pretty sure teasing didn't start in 2002.

Case in point  up  up  up  up 

Must be an X-Boxer right here . . .

. . . .

No I'm quite sure 'teasing' didn't start in 2002 . . . . in fact I can vividly remember getting teased quite a lot because of my last name, but in school, and after joining the Army - at that point, you weren't even a glimmer in anyone's eye.

The point is - because apparently it flew right by you at Warp Drive - that parents these days do NOT take their children to task in this country. Societal pressures of two jobs, no time, the internet, the television, go ,go, go, and the child is left hanging. If parents took the time to be PARENTS, much of the issues facing today's teens/young adults wouldn't be issues at all - or would be mitigated by a parental structure more concerned with their child(ren) than the next issue of Cosmo or Monday night football.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:49 pm

It seems the case in every era that there are two "worlds" that every child in public school must deal with: The adult-ruled world you live in during formal classroom hours, and the sometimes far more important world outside of them. Regardless of whatever discipline is imposed during class, everyone knows that when the recess or dismissal bell rings, different rules of conduct apply.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:26 am

Man thats a horrible thing to read. Teachers seriously do not give a toss about bullying, no-one does! only the victims. In certain cases the cane should be brought back or some other way of stopping bullying without this pansy "guys stp bullying each other" Doesnt work!

Believe me i see people bullied every day, there was one case at tmy school (well just down the road after school) were a boy was riding home with a few mates (he was one of these guys who shouts out in lessons. Anyway he was riding home a the school toughguy stopped him, knicked his bag and bike and got a mate to hold them. He then said to the boy "want your stuff well come get it" so he tried to, were the tough guys mate grabbed him and held him while toughy beat the living crap out of him. Extensive dental work and serious face damage. The toughguy and his mate were permanantly excluded and the guy who got beaten up has come back and he's gotten worse now, he now argues with everyone, and thinks his hard.

Me and my dad have always had a deal. If anyone bullies me or beats me up (through no fault of my own) then we will pay someone older than them to beat the hell out of them. That might be bullying in its own way but it'll stop that person. Although no-ones messed with me since theyve seen how huge (muscle wise) my dad is.

The world is an evil place.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
According to a recent news story, a thirteen-year-old student who was continually bullied by his schoolmates committed suicide by hanging himself from his bunk. In a double tragedy, a female student in the same school who was depressed over the death also allegedly killed herself.

Hrmm, sounds more like a self-esteem issue rather than just the bullying. His depression over being mistreated left himself feeling unwanted or unappreciated. He saw this as a solution to his low self-esteem, and decided to take his own life thinking that suicide would throw guilt on his bullies and sadness and sorrow upon the community in which he lived. This is another case that kids are becoming increasingly dettached from reality. When I was growing up, suicide never entered the minds of children. Alot of times, you just dealt with it and moved on. Now theyre killing themselves.

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 19):
Normal teasing is, I think, just part of regular life and I don't think people should go nuts about it. After all, they'll just face it at some point later in life, in college, at work, in their neighborhood, whatever.

True, but it shouldn't be. I was teased for a short time when I was young, but I grew fast and ended up towering over the one who used to tease me. When some kept trying, I responded in kind until they got the message. I fought back, and that put an end to it. I'm not saying that retaliation is the answer, but we were living in a different world at that point It used to be that teasing would just build character, and most kids in life would brush off the scars and live on. But now we're dealing with Trench-coat Mafias and Kip Kinkle's who go blow up the bloody schools now because they seem to lack social skills in dealing with teasing. Kids tease because they feel threatened and that picking on an easy target is an easy victory. The question is, are the parents of the victims taking the proper steps to ensure their kids are aware that they can tell someone. And, do the parents care?

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 19):
Spare me. I'm pretty sure teasing didn't start in 2002.

No, but less interaction with the real world by way of engraining there brains with the video game machines interferes with their skills to interact with people. Of course we shuldn't be regulating video games, but the parents should be monitoring their kids to insure they can distinguish real-life from a video game

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
If people only stopped to THINK for a minute how they'd feel, they'd refrain from such idiocies.

That's the problem, kids nor adults, are thinking. Society has their heads up their orfices

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 22):
This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to beat and sue the parents.

Yea, that'll really solve the problem. Let's carry out violence and then sue them. You'll find nothing but counter-suits for assault and battery
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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 27):
Hrmm, sounds more like a self-esteem issue rather than just the bullying. His depression over being mistreated left himself feeling unwanted or unappreciated.

I think that you're right. He simply felt that there was no reason to exist; or possibly that there was no relief from his torment. A young person, with his entire life ahead of him, feels this way only if the full panoply of what lies ahead is no longer attractive. Suicide is nothing more than a way to escape what is otherwise apparently unescapable. I think that most of us can sympathize with those who are in that position and feel relief that we were never so tempted that we followed through with the most permanent of solutions; alternatively, someone around us helped us see that it all wasn't so bad, and that, as they say, this, too, shall pass.

If only this could have benefited the victims written of in the article. If only.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 26):
Me and my dad have always had a deal. If anyone bullies me or beats me up (through no fault of my own) then we will pay someone older than them to beat the hell out of them. That might be bullying in its own way but it'll stop that person. Although no-ones messed with me since theyve seen how huge (muscle wise) my dad is.

There is some satisfaction in knowing that sometimes, somewhere, a bully gets what's coming. Good point.
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Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 27):

No, but less interaction with the real world by way of engraining there brains with the video game machines interferes with their skills to interact with people.

Jetjoke, that is the biggest amount of bs I've ever seen out of your mouth, and there has been a lot of it. I'm a gamer, and I've yet to be told I can't interact with people. I'm sick of all of this blame society on video games crap, because the same could be said for movies, music, bad parenting/teaching, etc..
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Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Mrs Moran, 45, told the hearing: "One day he came home covered in eggs and flour and crying his eyes out. He could not understand why he was being picked on and kept saying 'Why me, why me?'.

One day he was pushed out of his seat on the top deck and thrown down the stairs, and on another his boots were thrown off the bus, she said.

Oh but bullying is okay! People toss it off as a normal part of life. Really? Then there is the excuse of bullying builds character -- psh, the bully? Coming up with new and inventive ways to terrorize someone because it looks funny?

Seriously, if any of you believe this is wrong but "regular making fun" is okay, you should be treated likewise, IMO. If you complain, we'll give you some Vagasil for comfort...since you did not show anyone you made fun of any respect.

What's worse, seems people have gotten the wrong idea out of Columbine; instead of helping people who are depressed we should be afraid and ignore, they could snap and take us with them. Well shit, why are they sad, ever try to figure that part out? Too much effort? Then don't put effort into making fun of people, jackass! Take responsibility for what you do, whatever they did to make you do it.

Having addressed one side, I'll go to the other: the whole point to advertising one's suicide attempt is having faith in a last ditch effort to see who truly cares. I'd tell that person, "if anyone cares, they just don't want to see someone loose the opportunity to change things even if they don't see it now; it has nothing to do with you."

I'm told statistically most who are suicidal are desperate, but a very small percentage actually go ahead with it. I'd tell those people, "You can always count on yourself. I say fuck the world. Should they care about you, no. Most are too busy with themselves. Hence, you should care about yourself. If you don't, them by all means, there's the cliff's edge." Oddly enough, those that do kill themselves don't tell anyone - they truly have given up on others for support.

I think that anyone who opens up about the potential doesn't really want to do it, but patronizing them can push them to the edge.

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Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 29):
Jetjoke, that is the biggest amount of bs I've ever seen out of your mouth, and there has been a lot of it.

Case in-point=Piercey.

Quoting Piercey (Reply 29):
I'm a gamer, and I've yet to be told I can't interact with people

Not yet anyway, and if I may mention, you're doing a bang-up job showing your interacting skills here, aren't you? sarcastic  BTW, I never said it affects all kids/people. I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me one I-ota that some of these kids who plaster themselves to these violent video games, movies, and what-not, end up developing some sort of anti-social skills when addicting themselves to the video games day in, day out. I'm not citing any studies, graphs or pie-charts, but there is, I think, a lot of disconnect between young kids and middle adults, and I think it has to do with a lack of imagination brought on by the fact that alot of these kids pick up a Playstation, or an X-box before they would ever pick up a good book or an informative magazine/newspaper. I'm not the only one who said it anyway.

Quoting Piercey (Reply 29):
I'm sick of all of this blame society on video games crap, because the same could be said for movies, music, bad parenting/teaching, etc

Alot of it is bad parenting. Most parents in this day and age, are oblivious to what their kids are up to. When kids of a certain age group are left unsupervised for long periods of time, there's no one's influence to tell them they're doing something wrong, until it's either the police or they do something destructive. I'm not saying parents should spy on their kids 24/7, but they should be aware of what their kids are doing, so they can correct them before they do something very wrong. When you grow up, you'll understand, but you're just some little kid.

Quoting Piercey (Reply 1):
I had to transfer to another school to get away from shit like that.

Really? Gee, what a shocker. But running your smart-arse mouth doesn't help things. It's not to hard disagree with someones opinion in a respectful way. I've been guilty of it, so i'm not throwing stones at my glass house, but save the username distortion for somewhere else. That's probably why you got picked on, for being a smart-mouth little creep. Try that in the real-world, and you're guaranteed to get thrashed.
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Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:19 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 26):
The world is an evil place.

Nah. Everything is good and the only things that change is dependent upon your actions. Life is what you make of it. There is beauty and there is tragedy...that is the obvious. What will make you a man is how you react to the tragedies of life. Calling it all evil is a cop out.
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Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 31):

Not yet anyway, and if I may mention, you're doing a bang-up job showing your interacting skills here, aren't you?

How have I done that? Other then I said your saying a lot of bs.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 31):

Alot of it is bad parenting. Most parents in this day and age, are oblivious to what their kids are up to. When kids of a certain age group are left unsupervised for long periods of time, there's no one's influence to tell them they're doing something wrong, until it's either the police or they do something destructive. I'm not saying parents should spy on their kids 24/7, but they should be aware of what their kids are doing, so they can correct them before they do something very wrong. When you grow up, you'll understand, but you're just some little kid.

 checkmark  That I can agree with, as it is the truth.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 31):

Really? Gee, what a shocker. But running your smart-arse mouth doesn't help things. It's not to hard disagree with someones opinion in a respectful way. I've been guilty of it, so i'm not throwing stones at my glass house, but save the username distortion for somewhere else. That's probably why you got picked on, for being a smart-mouth little creep. Try that in the real-world, and you're guaranteed to get thrashed.

You do realize that I'm not the one who created it, and several other people have used it.

Also, about my transfer, there was a little more involved then just bullying, so please be quiet as you don't know the full story.
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Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 32):
is a cop out.

Surely a cop out would be suicide!

All im saying is that this kid didnt do anything to be kicked down the bus stairs or thrown food at, therefore thats evil is it not?

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 32):
What will make you a man is how you react to the tragedies of life

Going through tragedies in my mind doesnt make you a man. You go through them because the world is about survival.

(sorry if im not making sense im shattered!)

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Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:20 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 33):
You do realize that I'm not the one who created it, and several other people have used it.

And you do realise that I wasn't the one who originally spawned the theory either, I just expanded upon the possiblity of it. Like I said, you may want to be a little bit more respectful and objective, even with some of things you disagree with.
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Instead we have the X-Box generation with no respect for anything or anyone . . . and they are running rampant.

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Quoting Piercey (Reply 33):
Also, about my transfer, there was a little more involved then just bullying,

I'm sure there was, i'm sure there was.
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Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:37 am

What people do not and never will understand, is that words scar the soul. We all have our breaking points. For those of you who tunedthe German school shooting a while back, the shooter made a video prior to committing his acts. He is troubled, and can hardly speak, the past of his experience still haunts him as he talks about it on camera. This is the world we live in. Its unfortunate how selfish our world is today...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=68beb6083d

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Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:53 pm

I think that what really struck me about the story -- very oddly, because there were so many tragic things about the deceased victims' lives -- was the boy's reaction to the damage his tormentors inflicted to his Liverpool football bag. There's something about damage to one's most prized possessions that I think can be very dramatic in its effect.

I can imagine how, throughout his life, he invested all that was precious in that one personal item, and that it was always to him tangible evidence of his displaced high hopes for the Liverpool team as one of his very favorite things. I can imagine how deeply it must have affected him to see it damaged by the bullying that occurred. It was final proof, perhaps, that nothing he held dear was sacred to anyone else, and that even his most precious things in life were completely vulnerable to attack -- just as much as he was. In his young mind, there could then have seemed truly nothing to live for.

The idea that we live in a society where the weak and vulnerable can be preyed upon by callous youth, with their casual hate and everyday tyranny, troubles many of us, and it should. Society should be judged by how it protects its least capable, and woe betide us if we forget this in the easy pursuit of our own selfish interests.

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Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:09 pm

  This is such a sad story, really really upsetting.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 37):
I think that what really struck me about the story -- very oddly, because there were so many tragic things about the deceased victims' lives -- was the boy's reaction to the damage his tormentors inflicted to his Liverpool football bag. There's something about damage to one's most prized possessions that I think can be very dramatic in its effect.

You know what I'm going to have to agree with you ASF. It's weird. Of couse I was upset upon reading the article, but when I got to this part, I just had more of a visual image of what this poor kid had to go through. Something about hearing about his bag being ripped just made me feel more connected to this kid. I can't explain it.

May he as well as the girl from his school be at peace.

Dave

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Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 38):
May he as well as the girl from his school be at peace.

Indeed. I agree, wholeheartedly. And thank you for your kind words.

In this season of peace, I think that it behooves each of us to determine what we can do to make this world a better place.

Yesterday, I saw a Salvation Army donation station near one of my favorite stores, and without hesitation, I gave just a little bit... just what I had in my pocket. It wasn't enough, by any means; I wish I had more I could give at that moment. I intend to give more, and soon.

It's nearing Christmastime -- my favorite time of the year. I've always said that if only we could keep the spirit of Christmas alive throughout the year, the world would be a much better place. It's a pity that, on December 26, like clockwork, each and every year, so many of us forget the platitudes of the day before.

Immanuel Kant said -- in summary -- that there has never been anything so precious to ethics as a human being of good will. And the Jewish people say that the most beautiful thing that one can say to another is not, "How are you?", but "What can I do to help?" Such attitudes, I think, are all too rare around us.

God bless the souls of all those who have passed before, and God bless you, and all of us.
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:52 am

I was bullied too, and I learned that there's no such thing as "good kids" and/or "evil kids"- whether it's severe or "light" bullying, the bullies are probably suffering more than the ones they bully.

After investigating, I found out that the people that bullied me had parents who were either drunk 24/7 or were never home... talk about social heritage here.

I am in no way saying that it's ok to bully someone just because you're having a rough time at home, BUT... in most cases, these don't need diciplining. They need HELP. Someone DOES need to get a good talk with the parents, but they also need to get to the core of this problem- is the bullying REALLY happening because the kids are simply misbehaving? Or is it deeper than that?

The problem is no one really does anything. When I was in school, you went to the principal and he usually grabbed the kids, took them in for a meeting WITHOUT the parents and then sent them home, expelling them for a week or so  Yeah sure A week later, the problem would continue, usually it'd be even worse than before as the expelled kid would want revenge and the bullied kid would be accused of being a "snitch".... and the situation hasn't gotten better since then. Someone seriously needs to do something..

Just a shame it has to come to suicide before someone notices...  Sad
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:55 am

This is honestly a terrible thing. This is bullshit. It is so sad to see other kids doing this to another especially to the point of suicide. How does this continue to happen. I know if my kid was getting bullied, that shit would end real quick.
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting Chi-town (Reply 41):
How does this continue to happen

Because, its like i said to a friend, the bullying happens because at the end of the month the teachers get paid. They could stop 100 bullying cases theyd still get paid the same amount therefore they dont spend the time. This isnt the case with all teachers i know but it is with the majority.

Quoting Chi-town (Reply 41):
I know if my kid was getting bullied

Thats because YOU would act, these parents are expecting the teachers to act they arent so it continues.

Sad case with this kid.

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Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 7):
Many of the parents I know don't seem to mind if their kid is a bully to other kids so long as they don't get caught

Sadly true. I worked as a lifeguard when I was in high school, and I'd seen these kids running around raising hell when their parents did nothing. One little brat ripped a float from under some girl then dunked her and wasn't going to let her up. I call the kid over, walk him to his mom and explain the story, with the girl crying in the background. Her response, "Billy, is there a problem?" in an aloof tone. Yeah there's something wrong! Smack the kid! We need to bring back corporal punishment.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 8):
For starters, teachers absolutely will not say anything negative to parents about their children. That needs to stop. A lot of parents here have absolutely no idea what little terrors their otherwise studious kids are to others.

Blame the lawsuit generation. Teachers are afraid to offend kids and parents, as parents will bitch to the principals trying to get the teacher fired.
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 42):
Because, its like i said to a friend, the bullying happens because at the end of the month the teachers get paid. They could stop 100 bullying cases theyd still get paid the same amount

You have to be kidding? If you are a teacher you should be concerned about your students regardless of money. Thats why you are a teacher!
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:08 pm

If the parents cared it wouldn't have happened.
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:59 pm

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I say f*ck the world.

That is rather the point. Suicide isn't just about ending a painful (and inescapable) situation, it's also about control.

If you feel helpless, it might be that the one last thing you have control over is the end of your mortal existence. Killing yourself actually says, "F___ you. I have control over this one last thing".

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Thats why you are a teacher!

Either that, or they're lazy and enjoy the long vacations. I'm just going to go right ahead and apply Hanlon's Razor right there.
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 45):
If the parents cared it wouldn't have happened.

Not true at all! Neither for the bullied nor for the bullies' parents.

The parents of kids who get bullied often knows nothing about what goes on. Not because they don't care, but because the kid is too afraid to be stampled as a snitch and doesn't tell them- or the teachers- that he/she is getting bullied.

I went for 8 years without telling my parents. And when they finally got to know, it all escalated to the point where the other kids teamed up in groups of 8-10 kids, just to beat the crap out of me when I left for the day  Yeah sure Telling the police didn't help either as they had better things to do. And yes, I did end up harming myself, but certainly not because my parents didn't care!

The parents care alright. But what are they supposed to do? Talking to the teachers/principal doesn't help. Talking to the bully's parents doesn't help. Talking to the bully him/herself doesn't help at all!

As for the bully's parents, they're often the problem and/or won't acknowledge that their little baby is bullying someone at school. Or they can't get in contact with the kids at all- most of them don't care if they get grounded for a week or even suspended from school, they'll just carry on, possibly even worse than before.

You couldn't be more wrong.
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting Chi-town (Reply 44):

Nope im not kidding at all. Only some teachers care. Some try to stop it and some just cant be arsed. Like i said they go home with the same amoount of money regardless also a lot of paperwork would have to be filled out on cases of bullying like assault. So to them its like a project in which they get no raise or reap no rewards.

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RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless Teasing

Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 48):
Some try to stop it and some just cant be arsed.

Most teachers care. They just CAN'T do a lot. Whatever they do, it probably won't help. Teachers are human- of course they care!

Something that probably WOULD help, would be to teach the kids about bullying, its effects and have some speaks about it, by adults who were bullied in their childhood years. It'd help more than you think, because the kids who bully are NOT evil.
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