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Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:23 am

I've been thinking about taking lessons on a stringed intrument, and have been mulling over the violin or cello, but leaning towards the cello. Do any of you have any tips or pointers that I should look for while I finalize my decision?

What methods did you learn with?

Also, while I've found some great student combos on eBay, would you say that I'm better off renting for the first 3-6 months?
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:26 am

Yeah, you're better off renting initially. You won't be good enough to get a good sound anyways, so the quality doesn't really matter that much, and if you decide that you really don't like it, it's easier to just return the instrument.

I'd go for the cello over the violin, but know that it is a pain in the ass to carry around with you.

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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
I'd go for the cello over the violin, but know that it is a pain in the ass to carry around with you.

Double Bass is much worse  Wink
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting MattRB (Reply 2):
Double Bass is much worse

No it's much better. Just ask CastleIsland.
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:58 am

Quoting MattRB (Reply 2):
Double Bass is much worse

Being that I've played several tenor/bass intruments, piano excluded, I wanted to stick to that range, plus I love the rumble of the low notes, but since I live in an apartment-style condo, that is out of the question, plus the cello goes low enough to suit my needs.

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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:01 am

i have played the cello since i was four and bass since i was nine.

so of course i'd say cello. definitely go for a rental initially because the sound wont matter a whole lot iniitally since nothing you play will sound awesome...as you'll be learning the technique and fingerings as well as endurance (using hands and arms which is in a different way than normal).

if you go to music shops with a good selection of cello music books, you can flip through as see the types of books that you have an interest in that deal with the beginner. some have more photos and detail than others...and some will be way too basic for you--a person who can read music.
 
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
No it's much better. Just ask CastleIsland.

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Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
Being that I've played several tenor/bass intruments, piano excluded, I wanted to stick to that range, plus I love the rumble of the low notes, but since I live in an apartment-style condo, that it out of the question, plus the cello goes low enough to suit my wants.

Golden: Go with 'cello. Having played doublebass for 14 years, I bought a viola a couple years ago, and the damn thing feels like a toy in my hands. I just can't squeeze my fingers onto that silly little trivial fingerboard.  Wink

Besides being far cooler sounding, the 'cello has an additional advantage over the violin/viola. Repetitive motion injury. Playing a 'cello is far more comfortable than cramming that box under your chin and making next door's dog howl at the moon.
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 6):
I bought a viola a couple years ago, and the damn thing feels like a toy in my hands. I just can't squeeze my fingers onto that silly little trivial fingerboard.

I don't want to be the brunt of violinist's jokes, either. :P

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 6):
Besides being far cooler sounding, the 'cello has an additional advantage over the violin/viola.

I've been listening to Apocalyptica the past few days, and I must truly say that those cellists REALLY do a good job of cranking out Metallica songs.
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Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 6):
I bought a viola a couple years ago, and the damn thing feels like a toy in my hands. I just can't squeeze my fingers onto that silly little trivial fingerboard.

I don't want to be the brunt of violinist's jokes, either. :P

Seriously, what's wrong with the violin?
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
Seriously, what's wrong with the violin?

I love the sound of the violin. I just said that becuase I've read that those that play viola are often joked about by those who play the violin due to the bigger size/wider fret spacing, which makes transition a tad difficult.
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
Seriously, what's wrong with the violin?



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
I love the sound of the violin. I just said that becuase I've read that those that play viola are often joked about by those who play the violin due to the bigger size/wider fret spacing, which makes transition a tad difficult

I love violin as well (David Cross/King Crimson '72-'74, baby!), but try going from DB to violin! On DB, my First position full step is about three and a half inches wide. Hell, you could play a full fifth or more on a violin over that distance.
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:12 am

My main instrument is the piano (I've been playing since 1984, when I was 8).

However, since I moved to London in 2004, I decided to take up the challenge of teaching myself the violin. So, in April 2005, I went to Hobgoblin Music on Rathbone Place, London, and picked up this beautiful green violin!



Since April 2005, I have been teaching myself the violin. Since I already have a lifelong musical background (classically trained & can read music), it makes it much easier to learn the violin.

I even write my own arrangements of songs for violin--religious, Irish, and other styles!

Someday, I plan to try and take up cello too!

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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:21 am

Even though I play the guitar, I'll weigh in here, I would personally play the violin, I have always like it better than the cello, however, that's probably just because some of my friends play the violin. But like has been said above, the violin is a lot easier to carry around.
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:49 am

Some of the coolest rock violin solos:

Time To Kill - U.K.

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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:39 am

Ever hear of Antonio Pontarelli? The kid can make a violin scream like an electric guitar.





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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:09 am

Damn, that kid is amazing, I wish I could play my electric guitar that well!
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Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:28 am

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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:12 am

Cellist here, definately go with cello. No other string instrument comes close to the range of tone colours you can produce.
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:36 am

Why not go with the viola (thats what I play)? It has a nice lower range, like a cello, but isn't such a pain to transport. I also find it more comfortable to play than the violin because I have big hands and the spacing on the violin is tiny. Plus, if you ever get good enough, its much easier to find a viola gig than anything else. There is always a shortage of violists. I would recomment using the suzuki method first. Start at the first book and work your way up.
 
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:20 pm

Okay, guys. I've settled on the cello. I talked with a lady at the local violin shop (which, oddly, is co-located with a paintball shop) and she recommended a teacher who teaches strictly cello.

Now, the hard part is what questions to ask. I've never done any formal lessons of any kind—save the ones I had in the first 3 weeks of band in Jr. High (after which, I rapidly rose up the ranks, but I digress,) so I'm not really sure what to ask. Schedule and cost are obvious ones, but I'm not sure what else.  boxedin 
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RE: Any String Players In Here?

Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 19):
Now, the hard part is what questions to ask.

With a good teacher, there is no need to ask at this point. He/she will know what you need to know to get going with proper habits. That said, there are always a few things that are unique to an individual that need to be addressed. You'll figure these out as you go along. Keep a small journal and write the questions down as they arise. Now, a few important things:

Assuming you are right-handed:

Posture and left hand technique - do this correctly. Ask your teacher to go over this very clearly. 'Cello will present the possibility of carpal tunnel issues and other hand and arm problems. Take it from me, as I zapped my ulnar nerve playing doublebass about 4 years ago, and I had to stop playing for 6 months.

Right hand technique - unlike piano, your hands will be doing very dissimilar functions. You must learn how to separate your body, but not too far, as the motions must be complimentary. The right hand is far more important than the left. Repeat this many times.

Ask your teacher to teach you the instrument in the classical manner. Learn the old school. If you want to later fill it with whipped cream and blow it up on stage, that's fine, but learn as a purist.

A good teacher will typically run about $50 - $80 per hour. But there are plenty of good teachers out there for $30-$40 per hour.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:32 am

I play the male organ.  bouncy 

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