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Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:42 am

Just saw on the news that the Iraq war will outlast WWII next week, how long will this war last???? Will it turn into the longest war in history??
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:46 am

...the Iraq war has lasted only thee years, while WW2 lasted six, and that is just the European part of it. I think you might have confused this with something to do with the Iran-Iraq war between '82 and '88, which I think was the bloodiest war in the world since WW2.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Just saw on the news that the Iraq war will outlast WWII next week, how long will this war last???? Will it turn into the longest war in history??

Who is giving you such false information?

This war in Iraq has gone on for 3 years and 10 months. The Second World War lasted 6 years and 1 day.

Now, I wasn't good at math, but seems to me the Iraq war has a LONG way to go to pass up old WWII.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:48 am

ahhh. sorry...USA involvement.....
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:50 am

The American involvement in WW2 does not constitute the entire length of the war itself. Like others have said, the war went on for close to six years.


Chris

Edit: Note, I posted this before the OP further clarified his meaning of USA involvement.

[Edited 2006-11-25 00:52:29]
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:51 am

Low-intensity conflicts always seem to last longer than high intensity conflicts.

But still, Iraq has a long way to go yet.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Will it turn into the longest war in history??

Well now, we've had the Thirty Years War, the Hundred Years War...
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3):
ahhh. sorry...USA involvement.....

That's more like it. U.S. involvement in WWII was Dec 7th, 1941 till Sep 2, 1945. Just shy of 4 years.

And, it has a long way to go to reach some other wars. The Vietnam War, in fact, lasted about a quarter century. And wasn't there something call "The Hundred Years' War", way back when?
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:59 am

And then you have the Punic Wars that lasted 120 years off and on...

Even the Napoleonic Wars (which could be termed the true first world war) lasted 15 years.

I think it's safe to say that in terms of timescale, Iraq is a bit of a piddling nonentity.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Just saw on the news that the Iraq war will outlast WWII next week, how long will this war last????



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
That's more like it. U.S. involvement in WWII was Dec 7th, 1941 till Sep 2, 1945. Just shy of 4 years.

I would even go so far as to say it was more than Dec 4th 1941 - Sep 2nd 1945 because the US was escorting North Atlantic convoys from the end of 1939, with authority to engage hostile entities, so prior to the Japanese and German delcarations of war, the US was more than involved already on 'unofficial' levels.
 
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
And wasn't there something call "The Hundred Years' War", way back when?



Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
Well now, we've had the Thirty Years War, the Hundred Years War...

The 'Hundred Years War' lasted 116, believe it or not... wink 
 
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 10):
The 'Hundred Years War' lasted 116, believe it or not...

Having had to study the bloody thing for a year, oh yes, I believe it.  grumpy  At one stage I wondered if we were doing it in real time...
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:18 am

You will see US troops in Iraq for longer than the US involvement in WWII was surely. With the current state of affairs there, you will see likely see US troops there through the rest of the Bush administration. Depending on how the 2008 election goes, you may see a pullout in late January 2009.
 
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Will it turn into the longest war in history??

Not even close, not even in the past hundred years. And not even close compared to other conflicts . . .

Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
Well now, we've had the Thirty Years War, the Hundred Years War...



Quoting Banco (Reply 8):
And then you have the Punic Wars that lasted 120 years off and on

 eyepopping  I forgot how long that lasted. Too bad we can't have our own Battle of Cannes and eliminate most of the enemy in one action.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 12):
With the current state of affairs there, you will see likely see US troops there through the rest of the Bush administration. Depending on how the 2008 election goes, you may see a pullout in late January 2009.

Obviously, the Prez doesn't care about polls, etc., so don't count on him doing a cut-and-run change of tactics to get us out before '08. So, it does depend on which candidate wins the next election as to how long we stay. If it's Billiary, count on Billy doing some international posturing while the she-male plays the blame-game while our troops flounder until they're pulled out.

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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:45 am

The surrender of Japan was not the end of American activities in the region....the occupation of both Japan and Germany lasted well after declarations of peace.

And since when was the invasion of Iraq ever a "war"?
Right now it is an occupation plain and simple.

Did not GWB declare "Mission Accomplished" only after 6 weeks of "official" hostilities?

Another case of the media making up shit as they go along...treating the Iraq situation like it just another score in the day's sports headlines. 37 today, 29 yesterday, 133 the day before that, blah-blah-blah...all they do is rattle off numbers, but never go any deeper into the conflict to show Americans exactly what their sons and daughters are really doing, why they are dying; what they are giving their lives for.
We're an occupying force that is all, there is no war.

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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Just saw on the news that the Iraq war will outlast WWII next week,

You better start watching a different news broadcast . . . cause the one you're citing (without the cite) is screwed. . . .

Quoting QR332 (Reply 1):
...the Iraq war has lasted only thee years, while WW2 lasted six,

. . . and Vietnam lasted more than 10 . . .

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3):
ahhh. sorry...USA involvement.....

Then the numbers are still wrong . . . just USA involvement in WW2 alone, Dec 7, 1941 through September 1945. Someone's math is still screwy.


Perhaps you oughta get a Wikipedia link to WW2 and ship it off to that news agency . . .
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:06 pm

Will it turn into the longest war in history??

The war on poverty started during the Johnson administration and ended in the 80s. And don't forget the war on drugs. It started in the 80s during the Reagan Administration and still on going. Then there's this war on terror...  crazy 

...can't we just make an old-fashioned war, you know against a country?  crazy 
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:42 pm

As others have pointed out, we were in Japan and Germany long after the "end" of the WWII.
Reconstruction in the South also lasted well into the 1870's following the American Civil War, even though the South surrrendered in 1865.
Is Iraq taking longer than expected? Probably (but I can't guess what timetable those who planned this operation had in mind). People need to stop expecting this thing to happen over night.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 16):
...can't we just make an old-fashioned war, you know against a country?

Germany's still grounded.  Wink

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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:09 am

"Germany's still grounded."

Why not Poland? It'd be a cakewalk to invade Poland. Just march in backwards and the Poles will think you're retreating.  Wink
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:20 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):

You better start watching a different news broadcast . . . cause the one you're citing (without the cite) is screwed. . . .

However, looking forward, this one has great potential to go on well beyond the time when Germany and Japan were functioning countries again. Even so, Vietnam will take a bit of beating. Then again, Vietnam always had a potential stable government waiting in the wings. This does not seem to be the case for Iraq now the one it had has been dumped.
 
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:17 pm

Ahhh yes.

The latest make believe milestone for the liberal media to dump on the war.

And it isn't even a real milestone, WWII started when Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931. So we still have a good decade to go to meet that mark.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:51 pm

Quoting QR332 (Reply 1):
which I think was the bloodiest war in the world since WW2.

Someone please correct me on this, but I believe the bloodiest and longest lasting war since WWII was and still is going on in Africa over resources. But since it is Africa...nobody really cares.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 21):
And it isn't even a real milestone, WWII started when Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931. So we still have a good decade to go to meet that mark.

No worries, this one looks to have the legs to make it! But if you include Manchuria, should you not start this one at 1990? Not much peace since then???
 
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:12 am

... and if we're really into hair-splitting surely The World war in question actually started in the Balkans 1911-12, exploded for a few years in 1914, bubbled along in Germany, Russia, the middle east, China and Spain etc for 25 years before getting really noticed again 1939-45.

The division into parts 1 and 2 being purely arbitrary.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:13 am

Oh and Vietnam, that's about 1944 to 1980 !
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:35 am

"And it isn't even a real milestone, WWII started when Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931. So we still have a good decade to go to meet that mark."


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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 19):
Why not Poland? It'd be a cakewalk to invade Poland. Just march in backwards and the Poles will think you're retreating.

Because we already own them. Hell, half of their bloody population is being kept at Camp Chicago. We need them as the Trojan Horse part of our dastardly plot to overthrow the EU.  Wink

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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 23):
No worries, this one looks to have the legs to make it! But if you include Manchuria, should you not start this one at 1990? Not much peace since then???

Well somebody beat me to that, but using that arguement WWII started with WWI. There was just a 20 year break in hostilites.

But they where inevitable based on the treaty that ended WWI

Edit: Check that....This war is just a follow on to WWI too. If the Ottoman Empire hadn't been broken up afterward, Iraq wouldn't exist.

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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
Well now, we've had the Thirty Years War, the Hundred Years War...

Don't forget A vs B!  Smile
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 28):
Edit: Check that....This war is just a follow on to WWI too. If the Ottoman Empire hadn't been broken up afterward, Iraq wouldn't exist.

That is the best link in all these wondrous connections, but as I posted before, don't be too nostalgic for the good old days of the O Empire.

Then again, maybe this is the way to get the Iraqis onside, threaten them with a new Ottoman Empire, specially for them!!
 
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:20 pm

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 27):
We need them as the Trojan Horse part of our dastardly plot to overthrow the EU

Really? Funny you say that, because we in the UK are sitting on your shoulders waiting for you to make a mistake so we can take over the world again.  Wink
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:47 pm

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):

And your point is?

Job has to get done, no matter how long it takes.

And as a side note, in WW2 we had more allies than just the Brits and the Canadians. Some of our allies of the past are less than neutral in this case.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:57 pm

Well, we could always end the fighting in Iraq the same way we ended the fighting in Japan in WWII if timelines are really that important.

For some reason, I don't think people would like that.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 33):
Well, we could always end the fighting in Iraq the same way we ended the fighting in Japan in WWII if timelines are really that important.

Send the Marines in after everything cools down, and paint the lines for the World's largest parking lot.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:28 am

Huh, it is always easy play with numbers. One of the best advices I have ever got is: Never trust statistics which you didn't manipulate yourself.

Wars in modern time ( = well after the Viking Age) are always in two phases:
- conflict
- nation building.

We can discuss when the Iraq War ended, if it was GWB declaring "mission accomplished", or it was when the new Iraqi government took power, or when Saddam Hussein was captured or whatever.

But since coalition forces long time ago ended attacks on Iraqi military, then we are of course deep into the "nation building phase".

When did WWII end? Nation building was very intensive in the beginning, and faded gradually away. The West German government took power gradually in 1948/49. But practically all available Danish military worked as nation builders in Germany well into the 50'es as a very small percentage of the allied forces.

West Germany became mostly self sustainable in roughly 1955, while East Germany remained sort of occupied territory until 1990. So in some way WWII lasted roughly 16 years or maybe 51 years and 63 days.

Iraqi nation building is in principle a little more complicated. In the north among the Kurds progress has been fast and nation building virtually completed, while the rest two thirds are divided in what the politicians deny to call by its right name, a civil war. A civil war which to an uncertain extent is fed by neighbor countries. That will extend duration of the nation building phase.

If it will last 51 years and 63 days, I don't know. But I doubt that.

The hardest thing to predict is the future. Anyway I would predict one or two years more. When a hundred thousand more Iraqis have been killed (50,000 Sunnis and 50,000 Shiites), and when 30 or 40 more Mosques have been burned to ashes, then I think that the Iraqi people will take control. I may be optimistic - hope not, I really hope that I am pesimistic.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 28):
Check that....This war is just a follow on to WWI too. If the Ottoman Empire hadn't been broken up afterward, Iraq wouldn't exist.

Right! And imagine if the Vikings hadn't surrendered at "The Battle at Hastings" in 1066, then Britain had remained a Danish colony. Britain would never have built colonies over the pond, The United States of A would only have been "The States of A" since they would have had nothing to unite against.

Texas would have been a proud member of OPEC, while Cuba would have occupied Florida including the Cape and taken control of the Space Shuttle. And in Las Vegas you would have to feed the slot machines with Spanish Pesetas.

Etc. etc.

The whole world (dis-)order is a product of the coward Vikings who didn't show their real power 940 years ago. It's all the fault of my sorry ancestors!
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 36):
It's all the fault of my sorry ancestors!

Yeah, well you had to expect that after that many eon's of unprotected viking sex.
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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 31):
Really? Funny you say that, because we in the UK are sitting on your shoulders waiting for you to make a mistake so we can take over the world again.

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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:55 pm

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 36):
The whole world (dis-)order is a product of the coward Vikings who didn't show their real power 940 years ago. It's all the fault of my sorry ancestors!

Well you make a cogent argument, but it seems that the Viking kingdom may not really have existed, so how does that affect the price of fish?

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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:50 pm

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 38):
That's the beauty of sitting on a huge stockpile of nukes. If we fuck up, you're goin' with us.

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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 40):
Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 38):
That's the beauty of sitting on a huge stockpile of nukes. If we fuck up, you're goin' with us.

Ah. The special relationship.

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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 19):
Why not Poland? It'd be a cakewalk to invade Poland. Just march in backwards and the Poles will think you're retreating.

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RE: Iraq War To Outlast WW2

Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 32):
And as a side note, in WW2 we had more allies than just the Brits and the Canadians. Some of our allies of the past are less than neutral in this case.

I wonder why...
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