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US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:33 am

Hello,

I've wondered what other countries use as a form of financial basis to decide what a credit score is outside of the United States. Obviously here in the States you have a Social Security Number that all of your financial matters are tied into, but what does say....France, England, Canada, Etc. use.

Stupid question that has been bumping around in my head.

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Matt
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:41 am

Here in the UK its nothing more than your address and name.
 
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 1):
Here in the UK its nothing more than your address and name.

Well that's not strictly accurate. Your name and address is used as the identifying factors when accessing your credit report, but financial institutions who are reviewing an application for credit will review credit reports from Experian, Equifax, and there's a 3rd (don't remember who), and use all the information gathered against their own scoring system for credit worthiness. There is also no equivalent in the UK to the US FICAS score.
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:48 am

Actually you do not need to give your Social Security number to obtain credit. Quote its voluntary, but then again it is attached to your bank accounts and other financial accounts for tax purposes.
 
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Ua777222 (Thread starter):
I've wondered what other countries use as a form of financial basis to decide what a credit score is outside of the United States. Obviously here in the States you have a Social Security Number that all of your financial matters are tied into, but what does say....France, England, Canada, Etc. use.

In Switzerland, your payment history to other companies is none of anyone else's business. All someone can ask you for (apart from the usual salary statements) is for an attestation from the local civil court, which would ideally state that at this moment, there are no files pending against you.

I think this is a far better system than in the US, where if you lost a job and got late on your payments, even if you got a new job and got all caught up, your credit history causes you sh&t for many years.
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
Well that's not strictly accurate. Your name and address is used as the identifying factors when accessing your credit report, but financial institutions who are reviewing an application for credit will review credit reports from Experian, Equifax, and there's a 3rd (don't remember who), and use all the information gathered against their own scoring system for credit worthiness. There is also no equivalent in the UK to the US FICAS score.

And how precisely do you think the credit reference agencies in the UK match your information to you? They dont use any unique identifier like a SSN, its hung together based on your name and your address history.

The thread starters question was 'in the US its SS#, how does it work elsewhere', and the answer for the UK is 'name and address' because those are the identifers that take the place of the SSN.
 
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 5):
how precisely do you think the credit reference agencies in the UK match your information to you?

Quoting myself...

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 5):
name and address is used as the identifying factors when accessing your credit report

However, common sense tells me that the OP was asking for a bit more information. So 'name and address' isn't entirely accurate because it's only part of the answer.

In the US, the SSN is the identifying factor, but isn't the whole story because as AirCop has already pointed out, you don't need an SSN to qualify for credit. There are plenty of banks and CC companies that will provide their services without an SSN.
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A332
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:14 am

Same idea in Canada... SIN (Social Insurance Number) is utilized to track credit scores along with other personal info.
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting A332 (Reply 7):
Same idea in Canada... SIN (Social Insurance Number) is utilized to track credit scores along with other personal info.

If you're trying to buy real estate in the States, can you use that SIN to obtain a credit report?

Thanks,

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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting Ua777222 (Reply 8):
If you're trying to buy real estate in the States, can you use that SIN to obtain a credit report?

To be honest with you, I am not exactly sure how it works when it comes to cross border transactions. I would assume that US agencies would have a way to connect to Canadian credit data brokers (ie: Equifax, Trans Union) to gain a credit score.
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):

In Switzerland, your payment history to other companies is none of anyone else's business. All someone can ask you for (apart from the usual salary statements) is for an attestation from the local civil court, which would ideally state that at this moment, there are no files pending against you.

I think this is a far better system than in the US, where if you lost a job and got late on your payments, even if you got a new job and got all caught up, your credit history causes you sh&t for many years.

I wouldn't mind that at all. My credit score is as good as it can be since I only have a couple credit cards and have never missed a payment or carried a balance. I just dislike our system because I hate dishing my social security number out to third-party institutions, where credit cards are often issued by.
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:00 pm

Down here, it's Name, address & date of birth, with a Driver's licence usually being a primary form of ID, licence number is usally quoted on credit applications.
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:04 pm

My big question is how does someone trying to pull the credit on someone from out of the states acquire that kind of information and is it scaled the same?

Sorry if it's vague.

Matt
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting Ua777222 (Reply 12):
My big question is how does someone trying to pull the credit on someone from out of the states acquire that kind of information and is it scaled the same?

I think the answer from most places is no. Only in America (Land of the free and all that) can a stranger legally get a detailed record of your past history with other companies. I find that sickeningly ironic.
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting Ua777222 (Reply 12):
My big question is how does someone trying to pull the credit on someone from out of the states acquire that kind of information and is it scaled the same?

Sorry if it's vague.

Matt

You can't, even if you get copies of a credit report from another country and send it to the agencies in this country it counts for nothing.

When I moved here 3 years ago, I couldn't even get a cell phone in my name, despite having excellent credit in the UK
 
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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:51 am

Here in NL we have the BKN (Credit Registration Bureau). Every sort of loan - store cards, credit cards, personal loans, but not mortgages - are registered here. All loans and debts, once paid off, are deleted from the register after five years.

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RE: US Credit Is By SS#, How Does It Work Elsewhere?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:43 pm

Ok, well if someone here in the states is financially able to provide something but cannot provide decent credit (as in applying for a home lease) what would be the best way to go about that? I mean the person in question is more than financially able but carries no American credit...

Thanks,

Matthew
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