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Shula Out At Alabama

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:28 am

Mike Shula joins the list of fired football coaches being dismissed today at Alabama one year removed from a 10-2 season. Besides the firing what on earth is the AD's at these schools thinking giving extensions to the coaches and then replacing them
From Sportsline regarding David Shula
He received a new six-year contract in May worth $1.55 million annually. The deal extended his contract two years through early 2012, with a raise of $650,000 plus a $200,000 signing bonus.

I wasn't a math major but thats a boat load of money for not coaching. These big time schools have to realize that its almost impossible to win 10 games every year. Guess has long as the boosters and taxpayers pay off the contract this crazy stuff will continue.
 
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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:31 am

This seems like a big mistake on Alabama's part. Although their season could have been better, Shula has built up a very respectable program - one that will pay off in the years to come. They've had incredible instability in the coaching department. How many head coaches have they had in the past decade?!?!?

It's not the way to do it. I would imagine there are a lot of quality coaches who would think long and hard before accepting an invitation to 'Bama.
 
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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:53 am

0-4 vs their arch-rival (Auburn) was one reason he got canned. And he was only something like 26-23 over the four seasons he was there. And that doesn't cut it in the battleground that is the SEC.

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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:33 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 2):
0-4 vs their arch-rival (Auburn) was one reason he got canned.

Bill Curry got fired for going 10-1 when that 1 loss was to Auburn. He also wasn't one of Bear's Boys but I cover that in the next blurb.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 2):
And he was only something like 26-23 over the four seasons he was there. And that doesn't cut it in the battleground that is the SEC.

It sure doesn't.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 1):
They've had incredible instability in the coaching department. How many head coaches have they had in the past decade?!?!?

Way too many coaches. The problem with Bama is that they have this huge hard on among the boosters to have a coach who played under Bear. Sadly those guys are few and far between these days and their track record with non-Bama grads has been poor at best.

I think they offer the job to Sylvester Croome though I have no idea if he'll take it after getting shafted for Shula.
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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:57 am

Quoting AirCop (Thread starter):
I wasn't a math major but thats a boat load of money for not coaching. These big time schools have to realize that its almost impossible to win 10 games every year. Guess has long as the boosters and taxpayers pay off the contract this crazy stuff will continue.

10-2 and 6-6 don't matter near as much as 0-4 and the thumb (that's five losses in a row to AU including four under Shula for those who are saying WTF?)

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 1):
This seems like a big mistake on Alabama's part. Although their season could have been better, Shula has built up a very respectable program - one that will pay off in the years to come. They've had incredible instability in the coaching department. How many head coaches have they had in the past decade?!?!?

I think it's a mistake as well. One off year after a steady rise for three is not reason for panic. They're not even completely off probation for another 3-4 months from now. The boosters should realize that it really does take time to recover from a hit like they took from the Logan Young fiasco - but realism and Alabama Boosters have not been particularly close friends since Stallings left.

They're up to 8 coaches in the 24 years since Bear died now. In the last ten years it will be six coaches - Stallings, Dubose, Franchione, Price, Shula, and ?. Of course Mike Price didn't coach much more than the titty bars during his brief tenure.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
I think they offer the job to Sylvester Croome though I have no idea if he'll take it after getting shafted for Shula.

Very doubtful given his recent record. Heck, he'd be crazy to take the job too. No way will the Bama boosters be half as tolerant as MSU. Unlike some other candidates, he knows all about this from his time in Tuscaloosa as well.

I've got no clue who they'll get. The lack of stability there is going to make it a tough sell to any good candidate. Spurrier and Saban are the most mentioned names - we'll see.
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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:47 pm

I've heard rumors that Nick Saban may be unhappy in Miami, and that he may be regretting leaving LSU. It'd be interesting to see if he'd pursue an opportunity back not only in the S.E.C. but also in the Western Division. Spurrier coaching his third S.E.C. team also makes for compelling conversation.

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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:15 pm

A correction...Bill Curry was NOT fired. He quit when the contract extension he was offered after the 1989 10-2 season wasn't as lucrative and secure as he thought it should be. In retrospect, the extension he was offered at that time was much more sensible than what was offered Shula after the '05 season. Curry was also 0-3 against Auburn, including a 30-20 loss that was much worse than the score suggests in '89.

As for flopping with coaches who were associated with the Bear, Ray Perkins was a good coach. He left because he couldn't resist a megabucks offer from Tampa Bay. Gene Stallings was very successful in his seven years at the helm, including the '92 national championship. Mike Dubose was the one real flop from the Bear's proteges.

We did go outside the Bear "family" with Curry, Price, and with Dennis Franchione. Coach Fran appeared well on his way to getting things in order, before he skipped town overnight, without even talking with his players, to go to Texas A&M. Shula didn't play for the Bear; he played for Ray Perkins.

As far as I'm concerned, Mike Price doesn't count. On the heels of probation, with the NCAA clearly itching for any excuse to impose the death penalty, Alabama couldn't risk keeping a coach who behaved so flagrantly irresponsibly in public. He never coached a game, but his abrupt departure just months before the season started was at a terrible cost.

Mike Shula is a great guy, and I think most Alabama fans are really sad that he hasn't worked out as head coach. This year was a terrible backslide, though, and if three of our non-conference opponents hadn't been cream puffs (Duke and FIU winless for the season), we would have probably been 3-9. That, combined with 1-3 vs Arkansas and Tennesse, and 0-4 vs. LSU and Auburn, with a losing record against SEC opponents for three out of four years, would doom a coach at most major schools.

Sylvester Croom won't be offered the job. His record at Mississippi State is dismal, and beating Alabama this year doesn't make up for that. I think the next coach will have no prior ties to Alabama. If we get a good one, I just hope he has more integrity than Franchione did.

[Edited 2006-11-28 05:16:45]
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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 2):
0-4 vs their arch-rival (Auburn) was one reason he got canned. And he was only something like 26-23 over the four seasons he was there. And that doesn't cut it in the battleground that is the SEC.

I understand, but the way kids are today, they need stability. Eight coaches in almost twenty-five years is not good.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 1):
This seems like a big mistake on Alabama's part. Although their season could have been better, Shula has built up a very respectable program - one that will pay off in the years to come. They've had incredible instability in the coaching department. How many head coaches have they had in the past decade?!?!?

Stallings, DuBose, Franchione, Price, and Shula. Five.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
Way too many coaches. The problem with Bama is that they have this huge hard on among the boosters to have a coach who played under Bear. Sadly those guys are few and far between these days and their track record with non-Bama grads has been poor at best.

I love Bear too, but come on! What ever happened to just hiring alumni to run your program? That's what WVU, Pitt, and Florida did. Have your program run by somebody who considers it their dream job.
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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7):
What ever happened to just hiring alumni to run your program? That's what WVU, Pitt, and Florida did. Have your program run by somebody who considers it their dream job.

I dunno... that's what UCLA did, and I don't think anyone considers it to be a success. Karl Dorrel's record is right up there with Shula and Koetter's (ASU).
 
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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 5):
Spurrier coaching his third S.E.C. team also makes for compelling conversation.

Compelling, maybe. Substance behind it? Definitely not.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/16111730.htm

“I have no intention of leaving South Carolina,” Spurrier said in a statement released by USC. “It’s always flattering when a South Carolina coach is rumored for these big-time programs. This one will die down in two or three days, too.”
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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:27 am

A couple more things to add:

First, Mal Moore is a class 1 asshole. Shula had a team meeting Sunday night around 9:00, after the board had already approved the decision Mal and the UA president made to fire Shula. Mal knew about this meeting and waited until after it to let Shula know he was fired. So Shula went in to reassure his players not even knowing he was essentially a dead man walking.

Second, some of the Bama fans are starting to wonder about Mal openly. So far, he's hired Franchione, Price, and Shula. If the replacement for Shula isn't a true a-list coach then he may have trouble keeping his job as well.

Third, lots of rumors here about Spurrier. Even some reports that he played a round at TCC yesterday. I'll be down there tomorrow and might be able to get some real info as I have some friends and family who are very plugged in to what's going on.

Odd, the Alabam - La Monroe B-ball game is on TV now and they're still showing commercials with Mike Shula endorsements. btw, Bama's really stinking it up for a team that's ranked Top 10.
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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 10):
Even some reports that he played a round at TCC yesterday

Not saying it's completely unlikely, but my understanding is that Steve is currently in FL on recruiting trips.
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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:17 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
I think they offer the job to Sylvester Croome though I have no idea if he'll take it after getting shafted for Shula.

I wish they would!

Bama fans are delusional if they seriously think that Saban or Spurrier would coach at Alabama. They are the most difficult fans to please in college football, and Alabama's record ain't great anymore.

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RE: Shula Out At Alabama

Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:27 pm

Good riddance, he can't ride on Daddy's reputation anymore...

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