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Bad News For John Kerry

Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:09 pm

Wow. Even Hillary is more likeable.

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Kerry finished dead last in 'likability' poll
November 29, 2006 12:09 AM

Democratic Sen. John Kerry, considering a second bid for the U.S. presidency, finished dead last in a poll released on Monday on the Likeability of 20 top American political figures.

Among those placed ahead of Kerry were about a dozen potential 2008 White House rivals, including Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

"This is bad bad news for Kerry," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute in Hamden, Connecticut, which conducted the survey.

"Americans know who he is, and have pretty much decided they don't like him," said Brown. He noted the poll found that 95 percent of respondents said they had heard enough about Kerry, who lost the 2004 White House race to President George W. Bush, to rate the Massachusetts Democrat.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:54 pm

I don't think this should really come across as much of a surprise to anyone. The only reason Kerry got as many votes as he did in '04 was because of people voting AGAINST Bush [which was a warning that the GOP either missed or ignored and ended up costing them dearly last month]as opposed to FOR Kerry inasmuch as that was the core of the Dems campaign: "Anyone But Bush".

What alternatives for the Nation did Kerry REALLY bring to the party besides not being Bush?

Nada
Zero
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[Edited 2006-11-29 15:56:35]
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:01 am

I should also add that people often think of "likeability" and "respectability" as being synonymous. That is not the case. Bill Clinton is a classic example of the former: a smooth talking, good looking chum who was a great ladies man and probably a lot of fun to be around but as a leader, was difficult to take seriously.

Then there was one of the supervisors I had when I worked at Pacific Bell: She was a hard driven, very demanding, sometimes pushy boss. I didn't like her at all. But she knew what she was doing, was fair and consistent, and would defend us from attacks from other departments. So while I didn't like her, my RESPECT for her was immense.

[Edited 2006-11-29 16:01:48]
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:05 am

John Kerry has the personality of a cold pile of platypus shit.

Don't like him, don't respect him.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 1):
What alternatives for the Nation did Kerry REALLY bring to the party besides not being Bush?

THAT should have been enough anyway !
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Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
Don't like him, don't respect him.

He would have become and may still become a really good president
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
He would have become

Thanks, No!

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
may still become a really good president

Hopefully no.

The guy has the backbone of a jellyfish.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Even Hillary is more likeable.

"even" ? You do not find Hillary likeable ?
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Even Hillary is more likeable.

"even" ? You do not find Hillary likeable ?

I find Hillary to be an extremely intelligent and articulate politician who has done an admirable job of positioning herself as a centrist senator when is clearly as liberal as they come.

"Likeable?" You've got to be kidding.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
He would have become and may still become a really good president

Thankfully, we'll never find out. Just another straw poll thrown out there, which is meaningless at this point. Primaries start this summer, and Obama is already out there in Iowa and VT.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 7):
as liberal as they come.

in my view, "liberals" are centrists, and Hillary is a moderate social democrat to the left of the liberals but to the right of the socialists

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 8):
Obama is already out there

this might be a change, interesting
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 7):
as liberal as they come.

in my view, "liberals" are centrists, and Hillary is a moderate social democrat to the left of the liberals but to the right of the socialists

She might be a centrist to you, but compared to most US politicians, she is much farther to the left than you seem to understand. Her health plan in the 1990's was socialist through and through.

All goes to show how effectively she has "remade" herself, of course.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
most US politicians

most US politicians including Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are either right-of-centre centrists or moderate right-wingers (Nixon/Ford/BushSr) or hard right-wingers (Reagan/BushJr). Left-of-centre liberals like Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis have only slim chances in the end. Both Messrs Mondale and Dukakis in most of Europe would have had a nice success.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
John Kerry has the personality of a cold pile of platypus shit.

That's an insult to platypusses worldwide.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
He would have become and may still become a really good president

He would have been an utter disaster. Even worse than blowjob Billy, worse than Carter, certainly worse than Bush Jr. (who isn't the best you've had but the best you had to choose from in '04 OR '00).

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
"even" ? You do not find Hillary likeable ?

As likeable as a rotting dead frog.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 7):
I find Hillary to be an extremely intelligent and articulate politician who has done an admirable job of positioning herself as a centrist senator when is clearly as liberal as they come.

No question about that, husband did the same, redoing his image after losing re-election as Attorney General in Arkansas.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
All goes to show how effectively she has "remade" herself, of course.

Most politicians somewhere down the line "remake" or "repackage" themselves to gather votes. Prime example on the other side in John McCain. Not a moderate as label by the press, but a hard core conservative.
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:01 am

Again, this is a rare occasion when I agree with my friend Matt D in a political thread...his first post that is.
I was one of those that voted for John Kerry because I can't stand Bush.
That was the case for most who voted for Bush. Kerry came within 1 state of defeating Bush and 3% points nationwide. 48% is high for a protest vote.

I do respect John Kerry a lot but I don't think he should run in 2008. Just look at the beating he took by the press for his comments last month? There is no way he could expand on what he won in 2004.

This thread however is no suprise. John Kerry was behind in these mock polls over a year ago.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:41 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
do respect John Kerry a lot but I don't think he should run in 2008. Just look at the beating he took by the press for his comments last month? There is no way he could expand on what he won in 2004.

Please Superlfy, don't respect this guy. As a senator of this state, he has no back bone. He has been absent of every contravertaill vote in this commonwealth (pussy) and is just as a weather vain on those that will gain his interests. We don't need leaders like that.
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:15 pm

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
John Kerry has the personality of a cold pile of platypus shit.

What has Ornithorhynchus anatinus done to you?  Smile

If JK had had a poisonous spur, he might have got a bit further.
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:45 pm

Is this a polling of the same Americans who'll sit, stand, sleep, live in lines for days, weeks on end to get a new X-Box game, buy concert tickets, etc...while at the same time watch tv reports of Halliburton pissing away US tax dollars while stuffing their faces and refuse to demand excruciating accountability? Yeah, that crowd knows EXACTLY what's it talking about. Follow them..

I think Kerry will be just fine... a few years ago a lot more people liked Dubya..now he has more supporters on A.net than he does on any street in the country. Kerry, like any politician needs only to rely on the inevitable..the unfailing 'short-term memory' of the American public! As a group they have no idea what want..or don't want. And if they indicate as much..give it time, it undergo a complete reversal. Or they'll wait til they are told 'what to like'..


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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:48 pm

The man honestly scared me. We talked a lot about him in a Current Issues class that I took. He gave me the heebie jeebies all around. I think if he had won I was going to find an uncharted island on Lake Superior (lol, bad joke) and live there. He is just way to hypocritical and the way he would change his stand on things constantly was just not right.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:27 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 12):
an utter disaster. Even worse than blowjob Billy, worse than Carter,

worse ? I mean, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were 2 of the best US presidents ever. I do NOT take Bill Clinton's "contacts" with Ms Lewinsky as part of his political profile.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:44 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19):
Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were 2 of the best US presidents ever

Most definetly NOT!!!

Those two did more to damage the security of the US. The glorified peanut farmer gave back the Panama Canal, by his tacit approval gave rise to the Sandanistas in Nicaragua, the madman Khomeni in Iran and further cut the US military. Clinton did what? Allow a warlord to keep power in Somalia, did not keep his promise to hunt down OBL after the first Trade Tower attempt, the USS Cole, the embassies in Africa and last but not least, could have taken the mastermind out before his term expired and didn't. I could care less who he banged, but be a man, own up to it. Instead he lied. He perjured himself. He thought himself above the law and got away with it. No integrity, and that is a must for the chief executive.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:48 pm

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 20):
gave back the Panama Canal,

was a positive step. And most of all, he brought about the CAMP DAVID ONE agreement.
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
And most of all, he brought about the CAMP DAVID ONE agreement

I agree with you 100% on that one. That was his crowning acheivement.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19):
I mean, Jimmy Carter

With JC as President from 2000, there is no way you would have had a war in Iraq and he would on his track record in the 70s, likely have bid fair to sorting out the Palestine and Lebanon problems.

For the JC critics, imagine US foreign affairs without those small hiccoughs and see if you still want to condemn the Peanut farmer against the Oil Company front man. At least Jimmy grew his own peanuts!
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 23):
Jimmy grew his own peanuts!

Whatever his critics may say, he definitely and for sure was the greatest peanut-farmer ever !! Beside having been, to repeat it, one of the best presidents they have had. He was in favour of peace, he was in favour of just solutions in the Middle East, he was in favour of the protection of the environment, he was in favour of self-determination and democracy in the world, and he favoured fair solutions to matters like the Panama Canal. He of course also made mistakes just as everybody.
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19):
Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were 2 of the best US presidents ever.

I can understand one believing Clinton was a good president . Even though , the boom of the 90's would most likely not have been possible if it were not for the actions of a conservative President in the 80's , by winning the cold war , opening everything up for a robust economy [ lets not forget the Republican congress post 94']. However , Carter & Kerry good presidents ? NO WAY !

Also ,
Millions & millions of innocent people died when Clinton & Carter were president . [Millions , not 10s of 1000s -Millions !] While these millions died , US opposition [RED Russia aggression & Terrorism spread & grew ! ] , Clinton debated gays in the military & Carter helped his bro make Billy Beer !


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40088

ELECTION 2004
Ed Koch: I'm voting for Bush
New York Democrat: Kerry doesn't have stomach to go after terrorists


"I saw Kerry surrounded by radical politicians like [former President Jimmy] Carter and [Sen. Ted] Kennedy. ... I know Kerry will succumb to their pressure if elected. They are with Kerry not because they like him, but because their true candidate Howard Dean couldn't get elected, and they wanted someone who they can have elected and dominate," charged Koch.
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting OU812 (Reply 25):
Millions & millions of innocent people died

Millions & millions of innocent people died during all presidencies. Bad things happened during history. And it was NOT any different during the terms of Reagan, and even worse in the time of Nixon. You elect a man who is the top official of your country and the defacto strongman of the world, but you do NOT elect the "saviour" of the world. Also the best of all possible presidents canNOT save the world from evil with the stroke of a pen.
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Quoting OU812 (Reply 25):
ELECTION 2004
Ed Koch: I'm voting for Bush
New York Democrat: Kerry doesn't have

Kerry may not be perfect, but would have been a definite upgrade in comparison to that unspeakable moron in the White House at present. So that Ed Koch, here revealed himself as a fool. I heard utterances of that gent in the past, but thought that I just heard things out of context or misunderstood something, but THIS here proves that I understood it only too well, Koch IS a fool.
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and while John Kerry has not yet been president, Jimmy Carter clearly was one of the best, even if some people fail to understand it.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 26):
and while John Kerry has not yet been president, Jimmy Carter clearly was one of the best, even if some people fail to understand it.

No, he was one of the worst. He was almost defeated by a fellow democrat in the primary elections of 1980 - his own party didn't care for his record. Despite the few - and I mean few - foreign policy successes, he was a dismal failure on the domestic side.

Just because he is an exemplary human being post-Presidency doesn't erase the fact that his Adminstration was utterly forgettable.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 27):
his Adminstration was

he was the only US president who was even handed and correct in Middle Eastern matters. He worked in favour of the protection of the environment, and therefore was detested in his own country. He was correct in regard to the Panama Canal and therefore was detested by his own countrymen.
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His worst failure in fact however was his language which was rumoured to be "American English" or something thelike !
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
John Kerry has the personality of a cold pile of platypus shit.

You need to learn to form an opinion.  Smile

What hurts John Kerry even more is his horrendously out-spoken boorish wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. She was very controversial and took away what little appeal he had.

Laura Bush provides a softer complement to GWB, and no doubt added to GWB's appeal.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:16 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 29):
added to GWB's appeal.

while I regard Laura Bush as a nice woman, I fail to see ANY "appeal" of GWB, as that person simply is appalling
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while Teresa Heintz may be far too out-spoken (tactless is the expression) for comfort, but is indeed an interesting personality
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 26):
and while John Kerry has not yet been president, Jimmy Carter clearly was one of the best, even if some people fail to understand it.

Sorry Carter was one of the worst , if not the worst !
Are you awear he lost practicaly every state in the US when he ran for re-election ? The economy was in the toilet , the US was weak , Totalatorian regimes & RED Russia walked all over us & who ever they wanted .

But the world loved us then , when the US looked like a bunch of chumps ! That may be your idea of a good US president , but it's not mne .

http://www.americaweakly.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=2312

FLASHBACK: Sen. Kerry Voted For The War In Iraq And Against The $87 Billion Supplemental To Support The Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan:

Sen. Kerry Proudly Claimed: "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." (Sen. John Kerry, Speech In Huntington, WV, 3/16/04)


Watch it here !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esUTn6L0UDU

What an idiot !
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 28):

he was the only US president who was even handed and correct in Middle Eastern matters.

While he did well in the ME, the Iranian Revolution essentially negated ANY foreign policy successes he had.

As a stupid aside, am I correct to assume you don't include Iran in the ME, right?
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:26 am

The really bad news for John Kerry is that I have a meeting with him at 14:00 on monday.

But that might be a different John Kerry...................
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 20):
Clinton did what? Allow a warlord to keep power in Somalia, did not keep his promise to hunt down OBLrnafter the first Trade Tower attempt, the USS Cole, the embassies inrnAfrica and last but not least, could have taken the mastermind outrnbefore his term expired and didn't.

Rewriting history I see.Somalia happen on Bush I watch, and remember the UN rules of engagement; seemed to remember some convictions after the First attackon the towers, and if you read some; the Clinton administration did go after OBL, but then again Congress wouldn't agree, so there wasn't much else to do besides some cruise missiles, and if I recall right an executive order was waiting for Bush II regarding taking out OBL when he took office, but he didn't act either.
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 34):
Rewriting history I see.Somalia happen on Bush I watch

Talk about rewriting history...pull out from Somalia occurred in 1993, and who was president then????

Quoting AirCop (Reply 34):
the Clinton administration did go after OBL, but then again Congress wouldn't agree

Yes, yes, they sent cruise missiles to one of his camps, so you can't say that congress didn't agree. He went after OBL. But did you hear about the diplomatic problems that occurred with Pakistan because they failed to mention (till the last minute) that cruise missiles were going thru their airspace?
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 34):
Somalia happen on Bush I watch

While Somalia started on Bush I's watch, Clinton's idiot Sec Def Les Aspin was the military genius that denied the CoCom's request for sufficient armor support.

And we all know how well that worked out, don't we?
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:34 am

I suppose one could argue that if Bush I's staff didn't get him involved in Somalia for "something to do" during his last two months, the US would never had gotten involved.

I would like to point out in my humble opinon, Les Aspin was another Sec of Def that was in way over his head.
 
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:58 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 32):
you don't include Iran in the ME, right?

it in a way is part of the Middle East, but in a way already in "Asia". The Iranian revolution would have come regardless of who was president in the USA. The cause were most serious mistakes of Reza Shah Pahlavi. And whenever it may be "fashionable" among some people to blame the USA, I think that his downfall was truly home-made.
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And in the "Middle Eastern Affairs" I indeed had the Levantine coast in mind.
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RE: Bad News For John Kerry

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:35 pm

Quoting OU812 (Reply 31):
Sorry Carter was one of the worst , if not the worst !
Are you awear he lost practicaly every state in the US when he ran for re-election ? The economy was in the toilet , the US was weak , Totalatorian regimes & RED Russia walked all over us & who ever they wanted .

I take it this is received wisdom, from reading or hearing what, I wonder.

Have you noticed that the person who replaced JC, first arranged to delay the release of the hostages in Tehran until he was President
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/etc/cron.html
One of his next efforts was to start supporting the Mujahudeen in Afghanistan, and if you check the newspapers you can see that as a long term strategy that is not going well.

Then he backed both sides in the Iraq-Iran war, and either organized or sat back in ignorance while the Iran contra affair rolled on.

And you complain about Carter! Carter had to try and cope while oil went from about USD10 a barrel to USD34 a barrel, while Reagan benefited from it dropping below USD10 a barrel. Give us a break!

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