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Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:57 pm

In an interesting turn of events, Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Kevin Rudd and the Shadow Health Minister Julia Gillard are challenging Kim Beazley for the leadership and deputy leadership of the party.

I think if Rudd and Gillard are successful - they could present a significant challenge to the sitting coalition at the next election.

How will this change Australian politics?

I'm a big fan of Beazely, but I'm an even bigger fan of Rudd. I fear that Kim's best days are behind him and he should shuffle off to the private sector. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has a nice ring to it...

ABC News: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200612/s1802260.htm

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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:36 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Thread starter):
I think if Rudd and Gillard are successful - they could present a significant challenge to the sitting coalition at the next election.

I agree. Rudd would inject something new into the party and into Australian politics. Though at the moment to me Labor still seem to be struggling their only weapon into the next election is their IR policies
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 1):
Though at the moment to me Labor still seem to be struggling their only weapon into the next election is their IR policies

..and the failures of the Howard government. Of course, these things need to be marketed to the electorate appropriately, and despite the polls - Labor is going to face a tough battle to get the primary vote above 40%

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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:07 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 2):
..and the failures of the Howard government.

Yes and which government doesn't

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 2):
Labor is going to face a tough battle to get the primary vote above 40%

In saying that do you think Howard will contest the next election or Costello? Either way their reputation has been some what damaged because of the fueding which has occured over the leadership.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:33 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3):
Yes and which government doesn't

Of course, but it's up to the opposition to appropriately exploit them. In my opinion, there hasn't been a more repulsive federal government in living memory than this one - and I think Labor had bloody well highlight their failures to the Australian public if they want to win my vote.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3):
In saying that do you think Howard will contest the next election or Costello?

It will be Howard. No doubt about it. Menzies' record is tantalisingly close.

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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:20 pm

I sure hope that Rudd gets it, he's the one to lead Labor to the next election. Kim Beazley is old news and neads to get off the centre stage and let someone else in.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3):
Either way their reputation has been some what damaged because of the fueding which has occured over the leadership.

And Abbott says that Labor is once again screwed, that big kefuffle hurt them real bad...

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 4):
and I think Labor had bloody well highlight their failures to the Australian public if they want to win my vote.

Why do they have to get it accross to the Australian public, surely you know all the failures of the government, why do they have to tell the Australian public then?

BTW, if Rudd wins this and the next election will he be Australia's youngest ever PM?
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:26 pm

I think Rudd will be a better choice the Beazley. I think Kim is fooling himself that he can take on Howard and win. Past elections don't favour him. I see Kevin Rudd on Sunrise each Friday, and there seems something rather boring about him, he seems to chase the issues in a clamer manner, where as Beazley seems to have more fire so to speak.

As a Liberal voter, I fear the end is nigh for the Liberal government regardless of who is leading into the next election. The Australian people seem to becoming dissoriented with their changes. Some have been for the good some for the worse. The change in IR laws will be a big thorn in their side at the next election.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3):
Either way their reputation has been some what damaged because of the fueding which has occured over the leadership

A change in leadership for Labour ahead of the last election didn't work, and there is no guarantee that it will work this time either. Labor does seem to lack stability when it comes to their leadership, one thing the Liberal appear to have.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:33 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Thread starter):
In an interesting turn of events

Politics..interesting? My good man...get a life!  Smile  Smile
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:33 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6):
Labor does seem to lack stability when it comes to their leadership, one thing the Liberal appear to have.

When Howard goes and Costello steps in they too will have instability. It sucks because Howard is the only Liberal who can actually do anything.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:36 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 8):
When Howard goes and Costello steps in they too will have instability. It sucks because Howard is the only Liberal who can actually do anything.

True, but lets not foget that prior to the Liberals coming back to power they had an unstable period where anyone who was anyone had a got at being the party leader.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:42 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6):
A change in leadership for Labour ahead of the last election didn't work, and there is no guarantee that it will work this time either. Labor does seem to lack stability when it comes to their leadership, one thing the Liberal appear to have

Kind of the same situation for the Libs in state politics at the moment.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 9):
True, but lets not foget that prior to the Liberals coming back to power they had an unstable period where anyone who was anyone had a got at being the party leader.

Well howard was the only well known figure as far as I can remember back then.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:46 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 7):
Politics..interesting? My good man...get a life!

Bring back Mark Latham! OK, maybe not the best thing for Australia, but for sheer entertainment value, he was unbeatable!  Wink
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:07 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 11):
ing back Mark Latham! OK, maybe not the best thing for Australia, but for sheer entertainment value, he was unbeatable!

you want entertainment look no futher than Tony Abbott. This guy is hilarious when he is in action
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:20 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 5):
Why do they have to get it accross to the Australian public, surely you know all the failures of the government, why do they have to tell the Australian public then?

Because it will demonstrate their ability to stay on message and communicate effectively with the electorate. An important skill for governments.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6):
Labor does seem to lack stability when it comes to their leadership, one thing the Liberal appear to have.

Cast ye mind back to the Peacock/Howard/Peacock/Hewson/Downer/Howard era my good man. History repeats - this isn't party specific.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 8):
It sucks because Howard is the only Liberal who can actually do anything.

That's the problem, millions of Australian's DON'T want the Libs to do anything. Least of all govern.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 12):
you want entertainment look no futher than Tony Abbott.

If by entertainment you mean oppresively domineer, yes he is entertaining.

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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:25 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 13):
Cast ye mind back to the Peacock/Howard/Peacock/Hewson/Downer/Howard era my good man. History repeats - this isn't party specific.

Yeah I know.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 9):
True, but lets not foget that prior to the Liberals coming back to power they had an unstable period where anyone who was anyone had a got at being the party leader.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:34 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Thread starter):
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has a nice ring to it...

I actually think Prime Minister Julia Gillard has a nicer ring to it  Wink

As you said, I too think it's time for big old Kim to move aside. He's been there long enough (and too many times through terrible election defeats), and it's now become clear that he's not the best thing for the Labor party.
Labor has a pretty good chance to take the next election; having Rudd/Gillard at the top would just about seal the deal.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 15):
I actually think Prime Minister Julia Gillard has a nicer ring to it

Won't happen. She jumped ship to the left a few years back. She will never have the numbers to become party leader. Never.

Ever.

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 15):
and too many times through terrible election defeats

Actually those elections (1998 and 2001) were pretty bloody close. He came near to winning in 2001.
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 16):
Actually those elections (1998 and 2001) were pretty bloody close. He came near to winning in 2001.

Sorry, for some reason had Victorian elections on the brain; that's what you get for posting after coming in off a long flight!

But close or not close, anyone who has led a party through two election defeats should really not be at the top (one defeat is bad enough).

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 16):
Won't happen. She jumped ship to the left a few years back. She will never have the numbers to become party leader. Never.

I know, hence the  Wink
But personally I do really like her though.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:42 pm

Which Premiers are backing whom? All I know is Beatie backing Rudd saying he can bring in votes with Iemma and Carpenter for Beazley.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:11 am

Well, it's all over folks. Kevin Rudd is now the Opposition leader!

I think this is fantastic news for the ALP - and will surely make the 2007 election one to watch.

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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:10 pm

I only hope Beazley takes the hint and retires. I am over him coming back every few years.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:31 pm

I see Kevin Rudd as a good change and at the next election ill certainly be casting my votes towards him and see a change in government as well which is certainly needed.
 
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RE: Labor Party Leadership Challenge

Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:54 pm

Quoting Wunala (Reply 20):
I only hope Beazley takes the hint and retires. I am over him coming back every few years.

the day gets even worse for Kim Beazly after he heard the death of his brother.

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