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Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:36 pm

Today December 3rd 2006, 16 million Venezuelans will be electing their president for the next 6 years.

Incumbent Hugo Chavez is seeking a 3rd term while his opponent is a state governor who wants to halt Chavez's socialist reforms in the country.

Chavez who is highly popular abroad thanks to his constant anti-bush speeches (who doesn't hate Bush nowdays?) will rely on votes from the poor and the newly created "Chavista Elite Oligarchy" which has suddenly become rich while working for the government. You usually see them drinking 18-year old scotch in Caracas's most exclusive clubs, bars and restaurants.

Rosales claims that he will stop the outflow of Petrodollars to foreign nations (Cheap oil to USA, free oil to Cuba, Cash to Bolivia and Argentina, etc) and with that money he will be able to provide poor families with a debit card which will receive a monthly deposit of twice the minimum monthly wage which will be valid only to buy food and educational goods.

Chavez refused to hold a debate with Rosales claiming that his only contender was George W. Bush and his "evil empire".

Rosales slogan is "to rule for all 26 million Venezuelans" while Chavez is " we (Chavez supporters) are 10 million!".

I will vote tomorrow for Rosales, as I believe he will seek to unite a deeply divided country which is my homeland. In case Chavez wins, I will have to emigrate to some other country as I won't be able to consider this land as my homeland anymore, I simply don't belong in a socialist Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela where a "latin-apartheid" is taking in place, this time anyone who opposes Chavez will feel what dark-colored people felt in South Africa. I was born in democracy as a citizen of the Republic of Venezuela, anything else isn't my country.

Saludos desde Caracas,
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:27 pm

Luis, I hope Rosales wins these elections, yet we should all be cautious because Chávez just might commit electoral fraud to stay in power. Are there going to be international election observers who will monitor these elections independently? If Chávez did not allow them to enter the country or prevents that they do their job, then this shows that he is a de facto dictator.

My best wishes to you and all other A.netters in Venezuela and let's hope that a victory by Rosales will end this madness and make Venezuela once again a Democratic Republic. Stay safe, Luis!

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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:51 pm

I think the fix is in.
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:03 pm

Chaves has become another Castro.
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:34 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
3rd term

That's funny, guess what a lot of US Chavez supporters say if GWB was running for a third term...

I hope the nightmare in Venezuela ends soon.
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:16 pm

I recall reading a while ago that the polls were placing Chavez ahead of Rosales by far... If that is so, I hope the tendency will be reversed when the actual voting takes place.

Mis mejores deseos para los hermanos venezolanos...
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:20 pm

Interesting case, Venezuela. This whole Chávez thing reminds me of Juan Perón in Argentina, who ruled the country for decades (although he was president for less than 15 years) and still rules it, even though he's been dead for over 30 years now.

I will pay a close attention to the results, and really hope Chávez won't screw it up by cheating and causing fraud. Not that he really cares, but in that case he would be even worse than Mr Danger. As a foreigner, and a citizen of a country which has been somewhat helped by Chávez (he bought our bloody bonds, after all), I sincerely hope he will loose. I am sure he has made some good things - no administration does all wrong, but it is enough. Time to go home and write your memoirs, Hugo.

Luis, socialism is one thing and bolivarianism (sic) is another. As a socialist I am appalled to see you consider both ideas to be the same. XXI Century Socialism wants the country's wealth to be properly distributed among all citizens, not just to a minority. Rosales' debit card plan seems to me more socialist than what Chávez has done thus far, except for the misiones.

It is good for a country which received oil out of the blue (it is not that Bolívar was aware he was sitting above billions of petrodollars) to make some sort of charity with the rest, but given the current circumpstances, Venezuela must be selfish and sort its own things out first.

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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:38 pm

Quoting Marambio (Reply 6):
Interesting case, Venezuela.

Very interesting! In this BBC special report on Venezuela's elections, you can clearly see the country's demographic situation today compared to that of 1984. As you can see, the Venezuela of today, is a totally different Venezuela of yesterday. It is no wonder why Chavez is so popular with the masses and why unfornately, Chavez stands to be the winner of tomorrows elections.






Source:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6186990.stm


Quite frankly, I don't mean to sound negative, but being realistic it just looks bleak for the opposition trying to change things around. Tomorrow evening many people in Venezuela will be making their minds of whether to stay or leave the country.

The best of luck to the people of Venezuela. Remember, with anything bad, there is also a good thing waiting on the opposite side.

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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:38 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
Chavez who is highly popular abroad

In Latin America maybe but not in the US or Europe. You should see this documentary that was shown on Dutch television last week, it clearly shows the horror of the actual government.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Are there going to be international election observers who will monitor these elections independently?

The ONU and Mario Vargas Llosa c.s. are there but if it will help?!
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:14 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
"Chavista Elite Oligarchy" which has suddenly become rich while working for the government. You usually see them drinking 18-year old scotch in Caracas's

Crooks they may be, but they at least have some good taste !  sarcastic 
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Chávez just might commit electoral fraud to stay in power

Isn't it possible that he simply WINS the elections ??
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Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8):
In Latin America maybe but not in the US or Europe.

two different things. While in the USA many people may give quite some attention to Venezuela, the interest, for example in Switzerland, for Latin America is relatively limited. But among those interested in international politics, Mr Chavez is seen rather positively by many.
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:45 pm

The Organization of American States will observe Venezuela's December 3 presidential election, an OAS official said on Thursday, ensuring the presence of top Western diplomatic bodies in what may be a contentious vote.

Leftist President Hugo Chavez is favored to beat rival Manuel Rosales in polls. But Rosales recently warned of possible fraud and opposition leaders frequently accuse the state's electoral authority of favoring Chavez.

Mission chief Juan Fischer told reporters about 60 OAS observers would ensure citizens can "vote without any type of pressure" and that vote tallying would be done transparently.

Some 130 representatives from the European Union and eight to 10 observers from the Atlanta-based Carter Center also will oversee the vote.

My best wishes to the wonderful people of Venezuela.....and good luck with the election

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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 5):
I recall reading a while ago that the polls were placing Chavez ahead of Rosales by far... If that is so, I hope the tendency will be reversed when the actual voting takes place.

the polls were made are bullxxxx, many guys will vote different than they said officially,

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8):
In Latin America maybe but not in the US or Europe. You should see this documentary that was shown on Dutch television last week, it clearly shows the horror of the actual government.

not true, german media is showing Chavez as a guy who is doing a good job....


Well the situation is currently very calmed at least down here in Vargas, lets see what happened after we know the results
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:22 am

I already voted here at the venezuelan consulate in Mexico City... everything was OK... & a lot of smiling faces from the opposition' supporters!!!!!!!.

(I'm singing right now 'atrevete - te - te').

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
But among those interested in international politics, Mr Chavez is seen rather positively by many.

yeah, sure... it will be better if those 'interested in international politics' can stay just for a few days in any city of Venezuela, they will know for sure what's happening over there.

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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
But among those interested in international politics, Mr Chavez is seen rather positively by many.

I can imagine who they are... "those interested in international politics"  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 13):
"those interested in international politics"

I can name a few.

Unfortunately, this reminds of the Mexican 1 party state that just recently ended. The PRI used to distribute a bunch of goodies to the poor masses to get them to vote for them. And that was the only thing the did for them. Much like Chavez. The statistics show that Venezuela is much worse after he got in power. But some of the poor masses adore him because of all the goodies he distributes.
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:23 am

Chavez reelected, sad day for Venezuela!
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:24 am

It's official now.

Chavez will stay in office for at least six more years.

With 78% of the votes accounted for, the preliminary results are in:

61.35% votes for Chavez

38.39% votes of the opponent.


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Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 15):
Chavez reelected, sad day for Venezuela!

A very sad day. And what's worse, the bastard is giving his victory speech on live TV and thousands of people are celebrating his victory. I couldn't hear much of his speech, but I'm sure it's the usual populist bullshit he's been preaching for years.
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:16 pm

I witnessed the vote recount in my election center. Rosales won with 87% against 12,5% for Chavez.

It's official, I'm outta this shit as soon as possible. I'm tired of 8 years of fighting this regime. Take this piece of land and screw it worse than before, I dont fucking care, I simply don't belong here...
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:46 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
Quoting Avianca (Reply 15):Chavez reelected, sad day for Venezuela!
A very sad day. And what's worse, the bastard is giving his victory speech on live TV and thousands of people are celebrating his victory. I couldn't hear much of his speech, but I'm sure it's the usual populist bullshit he's been preaching for years.

I hope his supporters are enjoying being able to watch it on live TV. If President for life Chavez gets his way, uncensored TV in Venezuela may be soon a thing of the past.

Can't wait to see how all the Chavez apologists spin this one.

Quote:
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez backed the possibility of holding a national referendum, if he's re-elected, on whether to shut down private television stations that he has accused of subversive activities.

Chavez's comments late Thursday came amid rising tensions between the government and the country's largely opposition-aligned private media ahead of Sunday's vote.

Chavez was asked in a televised interview if he would consider asking the nation whether the government should block certain channels from renewing their broadcast licenses next year.

"That is perfectly possible," Chavez said. "It's perfectly possible that the country gives its opinion, including for how long."

Chavez also said he regretted not having shut down the country's major private broadcasters right after a short-lived 2002 coup against him, citing four in particular: Globovision, Venevision, RCTV and Televen.
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:42 pm

Quoting WiLdmanVzla (Reply 12):
those 'interested in international politics' can stay just for a few days in any city of Venezuela, they will know for sure what's happening over there.

a straight hit ! No, most people interested in international politics over here have never been in Latin America. I with half an hour in Matomoros beat most of them by a comfortable margin. As I stated before, interest here is so limited that the 2 leading newspapers in Zurich did NOT even have the Venezuela topic on their WEBsites on Sunday ! If wishing to get real information and not just a translated Reuters report you have to switch onto British or French media.
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Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 13):
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
But among those interested in international politics, Mr Chavez is seen rather positively by many.
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I can imagine who they are... "those interested in international politics" Yeah sure

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while I can assure you that I did NOT refer to a particular ethnic group and neither to a political 'sector'
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Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 18):
I'm outta this shit as soon as possible. I'm tired of 8 years of fighting this regime. Take this piece of land and screw it worse than before, I dont fucking care, I simply don't belong here...

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Does your statement mean that there will no longer be any decent chance for private enterprise outside politics ? YOU may regard the question as naive, but it is THE question.
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Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
President for life Chavez

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let's not exaggerate, it is for 6/six years only, NOT for life. Interesting is that it is the same number of years as Egypt does elect its president.
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:54 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 20):
let's not exaggerate, it is for 6/six years only, NOT for life. Interesting is that it is the same number of years as Egypt does elect its president.
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I'm sure Chavez will change the constitution to allow unlimited terms.
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:13 pm

Quoting Solarix (Reply 21):
et's not exaggerate, it is for 6/six years only, NOT for life. Interesting is that it is the same number of years as Egypt does elect its president.
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I'm sure Chavez will change the constitution to allow unlimited terms.

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to my utter regret, I canNOT fully contradict, as it indeed IS possible. This exactly is the reason why I broke up an intended reply to "Luiscd8cd" as I simply no longer knew what to say. What would YOU do in his place ? I mean, to encourage him to concentrate on the private enterprise sector may sound nice, but how can we guarantee him that his "Lider Maximo" does NOT nationalize exactly the sector in which HE is working ? And exactly SUCH things matter to people directly affected. Millions of people from countries like Algeria, Libya and Egypt left their countries upon such developments. In hindsight in many cases not very wise, but what ................. !
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:15 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 20):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
President for life Chavez

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let's not exaggerate, it is for 6/six years only, NOT for life. Interesting is that it is the same number of years as Egypt does elect its president.

 rotfl  I notice you didn't address the main point of my post - Chavez's embracing the concept of censorship.

Like I said, can't wait to see how the Chavez kool aid drinkers spin this one.
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 23):
Chavez's embracing the concept of censorship.

I thought that this was just a rethoric add-on. Do you really want to say that he "embraces" that idea and wants to introduce censorship ? Any serious source for this ? Or is that just a kind of "contra-demagogery" ?
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 24):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 23):
Chavez's embracing the concept of censorship.

I thought that this was just a rethoric add-on. Do you really want to say that he "embraces" that idea and wants to introduce censorship ? Any serious source for this ? Or is that just a kind of "contra-demagogery" ?

Wow. it took me about, oh, 10 seconds to relocate the following story I read on CNN:

Quote:
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez backed the possibility of holding a national referendum, if he's re-elected, on whether to shut down private television stations that he has accused of subversive activities.

Chavez's comments late Thursday came amid rising tensions between the government and the country's largely opposition-aligned private media ahead of Sunday's vote.



http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...z.venezuela.election.ap/index.html
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:33 am

Maybe comrade Vladimir, Comrade Alexander and comrade Fidel would be willing to share some know-how on how to make the pesky opposition shut up...
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:34 am

Let's hope the people of Venezuela don't regret in 2 years their choice today, but it seems Chavez won enough votes fairly, so you have to respect that.

I just realized how many elections took place in just the last year: Chile, Honduras, Bolivia, Costa Rica, Peru, Colombia, México, Brazil, Nicaragua, Ecuador, Venezuela.

And all very important: In Chile about electing a woman to office and keeping the current coalition in power, in Bolivia to elect an indigenous people president, in Perú between hardliner leftist Omala and blast from the past Alan Garcia, the historic disputed elections in Mexico, the re-election of Lula in Brazil, Noriega's electoral win in Nicaragua, the political right's victory in guerilla tired Colombia, Ecuador... and now these huge elections in Venezuela.

All these elections were unusually important for the future of their countries. And if you wanted to count the US legislative elections in, considering the circumstances that country is facing overseas, those were obviously huge as well. Elections in all the major countries in fact.

According to the TV report, it's now all over. No more elections for a while!
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 27):
Let's hope the people of Venezuela don't regret in 2 years their choice today, but it seems Chavez won enough votes fairly, so you have to respect that.

Let's hope that in 2 years, there is still an independent media in Venezuela able to report on what Chavez is doing.
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
Can't wait to see how all the Chavez apologists spin this one.

"Spin", eh?

Would any of you care to offer any evidence that Chavez didn't legitimately win these elections? I can't believe how many of you are pissing and moaning about the democratic process in a country that (most of you) don't live in.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 25):
Hugo Chavez backed the possibility of holding a national referendum, if he's re-elected, on whether to shut down private television stations that he has accused of subversive activities.

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this would be "the ugly face of 'real' socialism", and a bad move. But to keep matters in perspectives, private TV- and radio-stations were prohibited in many WEST-European countries just some 20 years ago. And the national radio- & TV corporation was supplied with news by the National News Agency. No newspaper was allowed to publish things before radio and TV had the chance to talk about the news items in question. CENSORSHIP would mean that either, all publications got checked by censors, or that whomever reports something NOT in line with the leadership has to face negative consequences like no longer any licence to import high-tech material etc.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 26):
comrade Vladimir

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"agent" is the term ! he is "Agent Vladimir" !

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 29):
any of you care to offer any evidence that Chavez didn't legitimately win these elections

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just wait one or two weeks and then you will hear people in the White House and in Fox News talking about the "so-called electoral win" and the "so-called elections" !


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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 29):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
Can't wait to see how all the Chavez apologists spin this one.

"Spin", eh?

Would any of you care to offer any evidence that Chavez didn't legitimately win these elections? I can't believe how many of you are pissing and moaning about the democratic process in a country that (most of you) don't live in.

Gee, perhaps you could go back to my original post and note that I said NOTHING about the legality of his victory.

But hey, don't let the facts get in your way!
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:04 am

Signs of things to come?

Telemundo: Venezuela halts transmission

"Officials identifying themselves as members of a state regulatory agency forced the U.S.-based Spanish-language TV network Telemundo to halt transmission Sunday of its presidential election coverage."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/lat...undo_venezuela_halts_transmission/
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:26 am

It's kind of funny, in a way, Chavez ran against George Bush.

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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 30):
"agent" is the term ! he is "Agent Vladimir"

It's "Comrade Agent Vladimir" to be exact.  Wink
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 31):

Gee, perhaps you could go back to my original post and note that I said NOTHING about the legality of his victory.

But hey, don't let the facts get in your way!

My quoting of you was only directed at your "spin" comment. The rest of my post was directed at cries of foul play made by others and I should have made additional quotes.
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 33):
It's kind of funny, in a way, Chavez ran against George Bush.

Couldn't agree more,Chavez will enjoy the next 6 years with friends Big grin

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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 36):
Chavez will enjoy the next 6 years with friends

And with friends like that, who needs enemies!  silly 
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 36):

It's just me or isn't true that both "leaders" look pathetic using helmets?
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 37):
And with friends like that, who needs enemies!

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Anyways ,I think he is concentrating more on Latins friends like the new President of Ecuador,Bolivia,Brazil and Argentina
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 39):
I think he is concentrating more on Latins friends like the new President of Ecuador,Bolivia,Brazil and Argentina

And if he gives as much money as he gives some of his 'friends', I'd be his 'friend' too!  biggrin 
 
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 39):
Anyways ,I think he is concentrating more on Latins friends like the new President of Ecuador,Bolivia,Brazil and Argentina

I don't know about Ecuador, Bolivia or Brazil, but here Kirchner is trying to get his relationship with Chávez to a minimum level. Indeed they like each other quite a lot, but K is focusing on getting along as best as possible with the USA. And whilst Chávez is close friends with Ahmadinejad, our Judiciary asked for the extradition of a former Iranian president, among other people, because they are connected with the AMIA Jewish Community Centre bombing in Buenos Aires in 1994.

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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:58 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 27):
but it seems Chavez won enough votes fairly, so you have to respect that.

I am asking me what is fair, at least not the elections here in Venezuela all guys working for state-own companys did not have much choices, heard today that at least 2 million are working for state-ownd companays.

Quoting Marambio (Reply 41):
but here Kirchner is trying to get his relationship with Chávez to a minimum level.

of course after he squezed out chavez....
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 40):
And if he gives as much money as he gives some of his 'friends', I'd be his 'friend' too!

Hehe....He practically saved Argentina from bankruptcy.I will try to ask him some money to cover my credit cards specially after Christmas and New year Wink
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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:29 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 43):
I will try to ask him some money to cover my credit cards specially after Christmas and New year Wink

Hugo! Buddy!... biggrin 
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 44):
Hugo! Buddy!...

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Hugo Santa ! Anyways he loves red colours

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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 45):
Hugo Santa ! Anyways he loves red colours

 rotfl 

That's right! Xmas is Hugo's favorite color time!

Let me tally up my receipts.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:19 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 42):
of course after he squezed out chavez....

Actually I am surprised by Venezuelans' reactions towards their Government buying our bonds last year. First, those bonds were for sale to anybody who was interested - Bob American, Hugo Chávez or the King of Tonga. Hadn't Chávez bought them, someone else would have had. Second, we were paying a 5% interest rate per year to the IMF and we are now paying a 17% interest rate per year to Venezuela. So, Venezuela gets +300% than what we used to pay to the IMF. I am no one to comment on Chávez economic agenda, but the thing here is he entered the business without hesitation because he wanted to do so; nobody asked him to please buy the bonds. Of course for Kirchner it is nicer to sell the bonds to Venezuela than to the USA, but after all it is not up to the Argentine Government to decide who will be the buyer. And, according to official sources, Venezuela has already sold 76% of the Argentine bonds it bought (worth for 3.1 billion USD) in its local market - not a bad business, after all.


As for the PDVSA-ENARSA co-operation, thus far it hasn't meant anything bigger than about a dozen petrol stations in Buenos Aires and very few, if any, in the provinces. They haven't made big advertisements either, and most people actually have no idea whatsoever about PDVSA co-owning petrol stations here. The petrol they sell is not amazing either: their premium brand, called "Tango", is 97 octanes, while Shell offers 99 octanes, YPF 98 and Petrobras 100 for exactly the same price, 1,99 ARS/litre (roughly 0,65 USD/litre).

Most people here couldn't care less about the Argentina-Venezuela co-operation, and the only thing they see is the Venezuelan Ambassador in Buenos Aires getting involved in national politics, which explains why he was called back to Caracas after he started doing so-called "active diplomacy". That got on quite a few people's nerves.

Venezuela joined the Mercosur, yes, but yet again we still have to see the big improvements because of this measure. Right now it only means we can travel to Margarita just carrying our national ID, a passport not being necessary anymore.

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Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:21 am


The Latin version of FRIENDS

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RE: Official Venezuelan Presidential Election Thread

Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 48):

The Latin version of FRIENDS

One has a foot in the grave, the other has a huge pickle in his hands and is at a loss, and the third is still smoking something that must be real good.

Now there is the Ecuador dude.
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