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Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:07 am

First of all, too many people simply assume that "impeachment" is synonymous with "removal". As most of us should know, that is not necessraily the case. A sitting President must be convicted on the Articles of Impeachment to be removed from office.

Perhaps some of of you have seen this website: http://www.impeachbush.tv/index.html

I'm not going to say that I do or do not support their cause; that's irrelevent for the moment.

In reading through that site, it seems that their argument for impeachment is largely predicated on the Iraq war.

Ok, fair enough.

But then something caught my attention on the front page:

FOUNDED DECEMBER, 2000

You know what that tells me?

It tells me that there are/were people out there determined to impeach Bush before he even took office. 9/11 and Iraq didn't happen until long after December 2000.

So this gives substantial credence the idea that many of the Bush haters do indeed really hate the man; that they can't stand the fact that a Conservative Christian is in the Oval Office. It wasn't until nearly three years later that these people were able to harvest something that might actually stick.

And lastly, as an aside, since I know it's going to come up: yes, the GOP villified "Bubba" and probably went on the same treasure hunt that yielded perjury charges in 1998.

So as far as I'm concerned, Impeach Bush represents nothing more lofty than revenge for 1998.

But be that as it may, wouldn't it behoove the "enlightened Left" to at least come clean about it and admit their true motive as opposed to practicing the very vindictive with hunt tactics they themselves condemned?

Just some food for thought.
 
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
Just some food for thought.

Here's some food for thought on a subject that has been discussed ad naseum:

Here's how you should have ended the thread starter:
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:26 am

Well, at least he is offering some points against these "Impeach Bush" people.

By the way...

Impeach President Bush? Get Some Perspective! posted Tue Apr 25 2006 05:05:13 by UH60FtRucker
The Official Impeach George W Bush Thread! posted Sun Apr 23 2006 00:52:30 by Dc10s4ever
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
FOUNDED DECEMBER, 2000
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You know what that tells me?

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He was elected by the "electors" (not voters) in November 2000, so that it can be assumed that this thing was founded by pissed off Al Gore supporters. Whenever Al Gore had more votes, GWB also without Florida would have had more electors, and as the constitution of YOUR country says that the electors are the deciding point, GWB simply WAS the elected president.
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:32 am

House Speaker - Elect Nancy Pelosi already stated that it's not a priority and will NOT push for an impeachment.

67 Senate votes are needed the remove the President from office. There is no guarantee that all 51 Democrats would go along, nor could they get 16 Republicans to cross over to get the job done.
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:20 am

I dont understand why every single president we have had, there is always an 'impeachment' thing going on. This seems to be the norm with every president we have had. What gives??
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
What gives??

Because no matter how good/bad a president is, there is always SOMEONE who hates them just to hate the president.
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:40 am

What gives??

IMHO, after you cut through all of the sound byte rhetoric, I don't think I'm too far off base when I say that I think it ultimately boils down to a "You won and we lost and we want to get even" mentality.

Seriously.
 
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
You know what that tells me?

I will agree that this does indicate that they were determined to be unhappy with his Presidency and to try to remove him no matter what. As to the reasons why, you diverge into rank speculation. It could be no more than another political turf war.

By the way I saw posters in England promoting a rally to protest the war in October 2001 before the US even went into Afghanistan and long before Iraq. Know what that tells me? That the people in England who are "against the war" were so aligned before there even was one. In other words they are not anti-war, they are anti-US doing anything at all. But that is a whole other flamefest.
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 7):
don't think I'm too far off base when I say that I think it ultimately boils down to a "You won and we lost and we want to get even" mentality.

Thats what I was thinking....
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
I dont understand why every single president we have had, there is always an 'impeachment' thing going on. This seems to be the norm with every president we have had. What gives??

Incorrect.
There were no impeachment attempts against Papa Bush, Jimmy Carter,Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Eisenhower... the list can go on.
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 8):
By the way I saw posters in England promoting a rally to protest the war in October 2001 before the US even went into Afghanistan and long before Iraq. Know what that tells me? That the people in England who are "against the war" were so aligned before there even was one. In other words they are not anti-war, they are anti-US doing anything at all. But that is a whole other flamefest.

 redflag 

Know what your statement tells me? You can't add one and one and get the right answer. sarcastic 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_war_in_Afghanistan

Quote:
In the weeks prior to the military action in Afghanistan, U.S. President George W. Bush delivered an ultimatum to the Taliban, to:
- deliver Al-Qaeda leaders located in Afghanistan to the United States
- release all imprisoned foreign nationals, including American citizens
- protect foreign journalists, diplomats, and aid workers in Afghanistan
- close terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and "hand over every terrorist and every person and their support structure to appropriate authorities"
- give the United States full access to terrorist training camps to verify their closure
President Bush further stated the demands were not open to negotiation or discussion.

The invasion of Afghanistan started on October 7th.

So, even if you saw these posters in October, a whole week before the war started, every man and his dog already knew the war was going to happen and was about to start because GWB told us all! It didn't exactly take Sherlock Holmes or a psychic to work it out did it?

In case you missed it, we were also involved in the invasion, and the protests were as much against UK involvement as US. Thus they were anti-war protests, not anti-US. Hope that's clear now.
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
It tells me that there are/were people out there determined to impeach Bush before he even took office. 9/11 and Iraq didn't happen until long after December 2000.

You do remember that stolen election in November of 2000, right?
 
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 12):
You do remember that stolen election in November of 2000, right?

Yeah, the one that Gore almost stole
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 11):
Thus they were anti-war protests

If they'd been held in front of the embassies of Muslim countries I might believe that.

Is that clear?
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 12):
You do remember that stolen election in November of 2000, right?

I love the use of the word 'stolen' there. Very much consistent with the use of left-wing propaganda to blame the right rather than an electoral system where number of popular votes doesn't mean much.

Really, IAH, I would have thought you'd have more perspective than that.
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 14):
Thus they were anti-war protests
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If they'd been held in front of the embassies of Muslim countries I might believe that.
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Is that clear?

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why? should they have protested against the attempt of both the Northern Alliance and General Rashid Dostum to liberate their country from the Taliban ?
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
There were no impeachment attempts against Papa Bush, Jimmy Carter,Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Eisenhower... the list can go on.

I dont mean any disrespect and I apologize in advance, but what rock have you living under, sir?!?! Every president since WW2 has had some form of 'groups' that had some sort of campagining saying they want the current president impeached. Even same thing happened with Reagan was president. And its going to happen to the next POTUS, and the next one, and the next one.....

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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:05 am

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
yes, the GOP villified "Bubba" and probably went on the same treasure hunt that yielded perjury charges in 1998.

The perjury charge originated in a case completely outside of what Ken Starr was doing. It originated from testimony the President gave in Paula Jones sexual harassment suit against him. If the President had just told the truth he would not have been impeached.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
House Speaker - Elect Nancy Pelosi already stated that it's not a priority and will NOT push for an impeachment.

Just like she said she wanted her buddy Murtha as majority leader? She will be herding cats for 2 years.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 7):
You won and we lost and we want to get even" mentality.

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For a lot of democrats its nothing more than payback time. They could care less about governing the country. All one has to do is look at how they are already retreating on their pledge to implement all the 9/11 commission recommendations.
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RE: Impeach Bush?

Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:14 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 14):
If they'd been held in front of the embassies of Muslim countries I might believe that.

I think you have this all backwards. yes 

The US & UK openly say they are going to go to war with Afghanistan, and you expect anti-war protesters to march outside the embassies of Muslim countries? confused 

You haven't quite got the hang of the protesting lark have you? rotfl 

No rebuttal on the timing issue, so I assume you've decided that they may just have known a war was imminent.
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