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Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:32 am

Well, isn't this expected and nice?

Follow God or vanish, Ahmadinejad tells West

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has warned Western leaders to follow the path of God or "vanish from the face of the earth".

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/06/061206101357.8mjamnal.html

Yeah, let's have a chat with him, sounds like a reasonable man.  sarcastic 
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):

You mean we won't be able to see YouTube anymore?
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:03 am

It's comments like that why Ahmadinejad can't be taken seriously.
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
It's comments like that why Ahmadinejad can't be taken seriously.

On the contrary. It's comments like this that make me take Ahmadinejad and his nuclear program very seriously.
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:09 am

Considering the vast influence and power Iran has in the 'neighborhood'... there's no question that we all have to take him seriously.
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
make me take Ahmadinejad and his nuclear program very seriously.

he maintained once again, that the Iranians want to have nuclear energy to produce civil energy for economic purposes. The nuclear program of Iran is not militarily. So what.
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Quoting Miamiair (Reply 1):
we won't be able to see YouTube anymore?

Doesn't "YouTube" "follow the path of God" ?
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
he maintained once again, that the Iranians want to have nuclear energy to produce civil energy for economic purposes. The nuclear program of Iran is not militarily. So what

Could possibly be. But the way he talks, and the fact that not many of the leaders in Iran are talking against him, makes many people wonder if he can be trusted at all.
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
The nuclear program of Iran is not militarily. So what.

An idiot like that, that has nuclear weapons available to him, and wants me to convert to his religion, and you ask So What?

I live in a place where I can worship in whichever manner gives me comfort, this man is a global menace.
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 7):
that has nuclear weapons available to him, and wants me to convert to his religion

he has no nuclear weapons available to him, and he just referred to "the path of God" but not to a particular religion. By the way he talks I however doubt his mental sanity.
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
The nuclear program of Iran is not militarily.

Prove it! You can't and neither can anyone else.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
It's comments like that why Ahmadinejad can't be taken seriously.

On the contrary. It's comments like this that make me take Ahmadinejad and his nuclear program very seriously.

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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
The nuclear program of Iran is not militarily.

Sure it isn't...
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:44 am

That guy is all talk and no show. This is a major deja vu from the Cold War era. Ahmadinejad is a politician like Tony Blair, less like Bush jr.

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Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
he maintained once again, that the Iranians want to have nuclear energy to produce civil energy for economic purposes. The nuclear program of Iran is not militarily. So what.

...and I can't wait till Branniff and Delta get there first Boeing 2707s.  Yeah sure

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
On the contrary. It's comments like this that make me take Ahmadinejad and his nuclear program very seriously.

I meant taken seriously as a diplomatic individual that is serious about solving problems and providing solutions to conflicts in the Middle-East.

Bush has handed Iran just what they wanted on a silver platter, a weak Iraq.
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 11):
That guy is all talk and no show.

Tell that to the Iraqis dealing with the 'help' Iran has given to the insurgents.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 11):
This is a major deja vu from the Cold War era.

Indeed, and we know how much of a real threat that was. Ask some Eastern Europeans about it.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 11):
Ahmadinejad is a politician like Tony Blair, less like Bush jr.

In a sense, I would have thought you would have compared him to Bush and his religious fervor.

I hope you all believe in God, cause otherwise there are some people out there ready to kill you.
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):
I hope you all believe in God, cause otherwise there are some people out there ready to kill you.

...that also believe in God or Allah.
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):
Tell that to the Iraqis dealing with the 'help' Iran has given to the insurgents.

Are you talking about the assistance Iran is giving to Shi'ite insurgents against the Sunni? That isn't interesting to this discussion unless Iraq is the 51st state already or a part of the 'West' somehow.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):
Indeed, and we know how much of a real threat that was. Ask some Eastern Europeans about it.

Indeed it was. Ask some Americans about it. Both sides had insane people who wanted to attack the other side. Those were the real danger of the Cold War. Sociopath generals on both sides. Hence the deja vu, but Ahmadinajad is just a politician. We don't see the dangerous faces.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):
In a sense, I would have thought you would have compared him to Bush and his religious fervor.

I would, if Ahmedinejad were more concerned about foreign policy than domestic. He's constantly cheering up the home crowd and offering some limited support to insurgents in the immediate neighbourhood, but doesn't touch anything outside the middle-east. Bush does.

Their religious fervor is similar, but it does not control the policy of either man. Were they true to their faith, they would be peaceful and patient.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):
I hope you all believe in God, cause otherwise there are some people out there ready to kill you.

We all? I can't speak for anyone else than myself.

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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
...that also believe in God or Allah.

Little lesson once given to me by a Muslim:

Allah = God in Arabic.

Allah = the same God mentioned in Judaism and Christianity.

Jesus = same level of respect as Mohamed, Mohamed was the last prophet.

The Quran has many references to people and places in both the Bible and the Torah.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 15):
Both sides had insane people who wanted to attack the other side. Those were the real danger of the Cold War. Sociopath generals on both sides. Hence the deja vu, but Ahmadinajad is just a politician

In understand that point, I am just wondering why the real leaders of Iran don't shut him up. After all, the disagreements in the US are well publicized throughout the world. Why not the same in Iran?
 
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 16):
In understand that point, I am just wondering why the real leaders of Iran don't shut him up. After all, the disagreements in the US are well publicized throughout the world. Why not the same in Iran?

That is a good point. As you are, I am very concerned about what the real leaders of Iran are thinking. They are a secretive bunch.

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Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:14 am

AndesSMF:
Well aware of that.
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:16 am

which God?

This is why religion are absurd and need to banned.
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Well aware of that.

I should remember that a world traveler like you (read your other post, you lucky guy) is most likelyhood well aware of many, as you seem to be to me now. Just wanted to also make sure others were in the same page, because I have seen that mistake being made often.
 
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:19 am

AndesSMF:
Also, you speak as if believing in God will samohow save you from nuclear attack. It wont!
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:24 am

"Follow God or vanish"

Damn! I don't like going to church. Can I pretend tp pray in private, instead?
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
It wont!

I know it doesn't. It actually bothers me that the fine Western secularism is being threatened by this.
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 23):
It actually bothers me that the fine Western secularism is being threatened by this.

Those Muslim fundamentalist hate secularism just as much as Catholisim, Judaism, Buddhist, etc..
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:21 am

I'm sure most will disagree with me on this, but a statement such as "Rest assured that if you do not respond to the divine call, you will die soon and vanish from the face of the earth," is a DIRECT threat of aggressive action against the United States and any other country in the "west". I see no distinguishing between saying this and saying "we are going to invade your country and kill you all". The U.S. would be 100% justified in using some kind of military action at this point to remove this man. I'm pretty much 100% they won't, but they have the right.
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
he maintained once again, that the Iranians want to have nuclear energy to produce civil energy for economic purposes. The nuclear program of Iran is not militarily. So what.

Just like the Shrub maintained that there were WMD in Iraq.  Yeah sure You're right...so what? Without using hindsight, any legit reason why the Bush of 2002 is less trustworthy than the Ahmadinejad of 2006? Nope.

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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 11):
That guy is all talk and no show.

Right up until the point where a mushroom cloud rises over Tel Aviv...??  Yeah sure

If you believe this guy only wants a nuclear program for "peaceful" purposes, I have oceanfront property in Kansas that I'd love to make you an offer on...
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:05 am

LMAO

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
Yeah, let's have a chat with him, sounds like a reasonable man.

Yeah, Washington and the world really need to sit down with this "genius" to solve conflicts as some have been suggesting  sarcastic 

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
he maintained once again, that the Iranians want to have nuclear energy to produce civil energy for economic purposes. The nuclear program of Iran is not militarily. So what.

you know you don't even believe that yourself

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 7):
An idiot like that, that has nuclear weapons available to him, and wants me to convert to his religion, and you ask So What?

ROFL.. exactly.
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:07 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 24):
Those Muslim fundamentalist hate secularism just as much as Catholisim, Judaism, Buddhist, etc..

So the only way to win then is what? Talking? Ignoring? Eliminating?
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting N174UA (Reply 27):
Quoting Asturias (Reply 11):
That guy is all talk and no show.

Right up until the point where a mushroom cloud rises over Tel Aviv...??

Not that Spain or the Arab world would particularly care if that happened..
 
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
he maintained once again, that the Iranians want to have nuclear energy to produce civil energy for economic purposes. The nuclear program of Iran is not militarily. So what.
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Let me guess, "ME AVN FAN" is some how an Anagram for Neville Chamberlain?
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:42 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
The nuclear program of Iran is not militarily.
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Prove it! You can't and neither can anyone else.

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They say that their program is civil. You place an allegation to the contrary. So it is up to you to prove anything. Until you can prove it, they are INNOCENT !
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 30):
Right up until the point where a mushroom cloud rises over Tel Aviv...??
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Not that Spain or the Arab world would particularly care if that happened..

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it would be dangerous for East-Jerusalem, Amman and Beirut !
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Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 31):
an Anagram for Neville Chamberlain?

no, I would be vehemently opposed to giving ANY neighbouring territory to Iran. Any such thing ought to be conquered by force if required. When, still under imperial rule, Iran annexed some islands off the Arabian Gulf coast, this move was "covered" by both the USA and Britain, who thereby nicely appeased a dictator.
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:03 pm

Firstly, we have only one news report from a website that could easily have misquoted/mistranslated what he said; do you all still remember the Jews wearing a certain colour story a few months ago? That was the same thing - one source which spread it and was proved to false. I doubt any world leader would be stupid enough to say that.

Secondly, did we all suddenly forget about Bush's little crusade in the Middle East? Not to mention the fact that several prominent people in the US, including governors, have said in the past that those who do not believe in Christianity will go to hell.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Prove it! You can't and neither can anyone else.

Its innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. This, IMO, is the EXACT same thing as the WMD claims Bush had about Iraq - and look at where that brought us.
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:06 pm

Remember Domestic Audience needs to hear things.Don't react to whatever is printed  Smile
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:43 pm

Quote:
It's comments like that why Ahmadinejad can't be taken seriously.

I have trouble taking him seriously because every time I hear his name what I hear is, "I'm a dinner jacket".
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 16):

In understand that point, I am just wondering why the real leaders of Iran don't shut him up. After all, the disagreements in the US are well publicized throughout the world. Why not the same in Iran?

Because the guy actually has the active approval of the ayatollahs...
There is no disagreement, or rather anyone who disagrees is a heretic. And heresy is a capital offense in Iran.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 16):
Little lesson once given to me by a Muslim:

Allah = God in Arabic.

Allah = the same God mentioned in Judaism and Christianity.

Jesus = same level of respect as Mohamed, Mohamed was the last prophet.

The Quran has many references to people and places in both the Bible and the Torah.

Nice theory, but in reality it means little.
Islam is exceedingly intollerant of any other religion, actively calling for the death by the sword of all unbelievers (and many of them take that literally and go out and do it).
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Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 36):
Nice theory, but in reality it means little.
Islam is exceedingly intollerant of any other religion, actively calling for the death by the sword of all unbelievers (and many of them take that literally and go out and do it)

*Grabs sword*

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Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 36):
actively calling for the death by the sword of all unbelievers

while the Quran clearly states that Muslims have to be peaceful with others IF being approached peacefully, and that Jews and Christians are to be respected as "people of the book"
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Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:32 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 32):
They say that their program is civil. You place an allegation to the contrary. So it is up to you to prove anything. Until you can prove it, they are INNOCENT !

yeah that has as much credibility as Ahmadinejihad himself telling us his regime is democratic

he's not fooling anyone with that

He also wants us to believe his hardline Islamic regime's nuclear obsession is all peaceful

he's not fooling anyone with that one either, except for maybe ME AVN FAN

Quoting QR332 (Reply 33):
Secondly, did we all suddenly forget about Bush's little crusade in the Middle East? Not to mention the fact that several prominent people in the US, including governors, have said in the past that those who do not believe in Christianity will go to hell.

A "crusade" against the terrorists in the middle east?

Christians might believe that those who don't believe might end up in condemnation BUT that's up to God to decide. They don't wish hell on others or take "divine justice" into their own hands like you Islamomaniacs. You guys believe in martyrdom and all that nonsense anyways, so I wouln't be talking.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 37):
*Grabs sword*


don't put a sarcastic face QR, you know Christians are given a hard time in Islamic countries, (expecially those who convert from Islam) even in moderate ones like Turkey. Which way are you going to try to spin that one? Maybe ME AVN FAN will take a shot at it?
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:53 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 39):
A "crusade" against the terrorists in the middle east?

Actually, sounds like someone is swallowing that hook, line and sinker, as that is the term widely used in the ME.

Second of all, why did Bush get stuck in this thread?

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 39):
don't put a sarcastic face QR

Is not the issue with the sarcastic face. It simply this, while the majority of Muslims may be peace-loving, they are a SILENT majority.
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 39):
he's not fooling anyone with that

simply prove that he is TRYING to fool anybody !
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 39):
believe in martyrdom

there were many Christian martyrs throughout history
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 39):
They don't wish hell on others or take "divine justice" into their own hands

most Muslims don't do see either. Mr Ahmedinejad is proving that by being one of the exceptions
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 39):
a shot at it?

a shot at what ? you mean at Jwenting+you grasping a sword for your fights ?  wink 
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Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 40):
the term widely used in the ME

it is not so much of a "term" as the impression widespread in the Arab World and other parts of the Middle East, that the US-American actions are not so much against terror(ism) or particular regimes like the Taliban, but a kind of "crusade" of a religiously enflamed US-president against Muslim countries in general. Exaggerated this is, but not without some reasons.
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Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 40):
SILENT majority.

well, extreme persons always are "loud" in speaking and actions. Just to give an idea, the widespread impression in the world is that "THE" US-Americans spend their Sunday-Mornings sitting in front of their TVs watching in awe some broadcasts of evangelicalist TV-preachers !  laughing 
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:50 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 40):
Second of all, why did Bush get stuck in this thread?

or get stuck in Iraq? If the Arab world would've demanded and wanted to see a modern, democratic Iraq, with the same energy they spend blaming the Israelis and "the Bush administration" for everything, Iraq might be a lot better by now.

They can't demand Iraq be a very democratic society, the Arab world doesn't know what that is.
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:07 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):
there were many Christian martyrs throughout history

Key word here is 'were'.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):
simply prove that he is TRYING to fool anybody !

Has Europe had any success with their negotiations?

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 42):
the widespread impression in the world is that "THE" US-Americans spend their Sunday-Mornings sitting in front of their TVs watching in awe some broadcasts of evangelicalist TV-preachers !

And the wide impressions is that we here in California spend our weekends surfing (No we don't, the water is way too cold). It doesn't make the impression be correct. And no, those programs are not widely watched.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 43):
They can't demand Iraq be a very democratic society, the Arab world doesn't know what that is.

I would suggest they do, it is others who don't want to see this for their own reasons. But if it wasn't Iraq 2003, it would have been other reasons. The invasion of Iraq did not cause the bombings of the US and French barracks in 1983, kidnappings in 1987, WTC 1993, Khobar Towers, USS Cole, etc. That is why I say sometimes that it would matter what the US, somebody would find a reason to complain.
 
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Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:55 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 39):
A "crusade" against the terrorists in the middle east?

Christians might believe that those who don't believe might end up in condemnation BUT that's up to God to decide. They don't wish hell on others or take "divine justice" into their own hands like you Islamomaniacs. You guys believe in martyrdom and all that nonsense anyways, so I wouln't be talking.

Your president was the one who used the term crusade, and lets not forget what the crusades were all about.

As for your second comment, are we all taking "divine justice" into our hands? I would have thought that a better example of that would have been the Jews taking Palestine because it was the "promised land" Also, yes we do believe in martyrdom, but it hardly includes someone who blows himself up on a bus. Now, since you want to get into who's wishing hell on who, why was is it that the Bush administration started a baseless war against Iraq, is trying to do the same with Iran, yet it still has quite a bit of support, especially from the likes of you?

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 39):
don't put a sarcastic face QR, you know Christians are given a hard time in Islamic countries, (expecially those who convert from Islam) even in moderate ones like Turkey. Which way are you going to try to spin that one? Maybe ME AVN FAN will take a shot at it?

Really now? And you would know from experience? When you come over and live in the Middle East, and see what things are like, then you can comment all you want - but until then, please don't try to spread lies about what things are like here. Some Christians are given a hard time, but most have absolutely no problems - and your not one to talk, your country still has quite a bit of racism problems, especially against Arabs and Muslims. Remember how the Dubai Ports deal completely fell through because it was an Arab country?
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 44):
simply prove that he is TRYING to fool anybody !
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Has Europe had any success with their negotiations?

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the European negotiators, not very distant from the USA, wanted the Iranians to accept to have to buy nuclear stuff instead of being independent in the matter. The Iranians do NOT want to develop a technology and at the same time becoming fully dependent on outside suppliers.
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Quoting QR332 (Reply 45):
Christians are given a hard time

I suspect he thought that ALL Arab countries are like Saudi Arabia
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Quoting QR332 (Reply 45):
the Dubai Ports deal completely fell through

not really. Only the US-part had to be separated and sold to a US company. The major parts of the deal were carried through without much ado. DPW has in fact become a major global player in these fields.
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):
simply prove that he is TRYING to fool anybody !

I guess you haven't read his "letter to the Ameican People"

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):
it is not so much of a "term" as the impression widespread in the Arab World and other parts of the Middle East, that the US-American actions are not so much against terror(ism) or particular regimes like the Taliban, but a kind of "crusade" of a religiously enflamed US-president against Muslim countries in general. Exaggerated this is, but not without some reasons.

so what conclusion do you draw when most of the Arab world believes such is the case and you admist that's an exaggeration? Ignorance, the media? Just like an Egyptian teacher told me: what do you expect, they don't' know any better..

Anyone seen that documentary about that Jewish/American guy who goes to Qatar and Indonesia and is answering questions from students? The things they said were pretty funny, that's what they've been fed, not surprising. Like a girl who was told the Jews and the US itself perpetrated 9/11 and another kid in Qatar said that THEY (the arabs) were the ones who were supposed to be properous because they are the ones with history, but the Jews?

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 39):
believe in martyrdom

there were many Christian martyrs throughout history

right..  sarcastic 

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 42):
well, extreme persons always are "loud" in speaking and actions. Just to give an idea, the widespread impression in the world is that "THE" US-Americans spend their Sunday-Mornings sitting in front of their TVs watching in awe some broadcasts of evangelicalist TV-preachers !  laughing 

I suppose sitting in the floor bobboing up and down reciting someting over and over.. alahalahalahalahlhhalahalha several times a day is not funny right?  Wink

Quoting QR332 (Reply 45):
and your not one to talk, your country still has quite a bit of racism problems, especially against Arabs and Muslims. Remember how the Dubai Ports deal completely fell through because it was an Arab country?

Bush was for the deal.. so much for "being agaist Muslims" eh? I live in a city that's pretty varied as far as nationalities is concerned and I haven't seen ONE accusation of racism by Arabs/Muslims yet. I live not far away from an islamic society, and even after 9/11 nobody has bothered them, in school nobody bothers Islamic students, they actually integrate pretty well, in fact they have their own club and all.

Thanks for your suggestion that I need to live in the Muslim or Arab world to see how things really are, I guess knowing people from those nationalities doesn't count. Take your own advice to me and come live here for sometime..
 
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 40):
Is not the issue with the sarcastic face. It simply this, while the majority of Muslims may be peace-loving, they are a SILENT majority.

While the majority of Americans have done oh so much to stop things like the Iraq war - the only time the American public reacts is when Americans die, not when Iraqis are being slaughtered in the hundreds of thousands. The West and the US were also quiet during the Lebanon war; hell, the US even vetoed a resolution that calls for an end to the fighting because it was too "anti-Israeli".

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 46):
not really. Only the US-part had to be separated and sold to a US company. The major parts of the deal were carried through without much ado. DPW has in fact become a major global player in these fields

My point was about the US part, which did completely fall through.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 47):
Bush was for the deal.. so much for "being agaist Muslims" eh?

Bush was for it because of business reasons, just like he supports Saudi Arabia due to the oil revenue that comes from them - and I never claimed that he was against Muslims in the first place, so whats your point?

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 47):
I live in a city that's pretty varied as far as nationalities is concerned and I haven't seen ONE accusation of racism by Arabs/Muslims yet. I live not far away from an islamic society, and even after 9/11 nobody has bothered them, in school nobody bothers Islamic students, they actually integrate pretty well, in fact they have their own club and all.

Well, I have heard from quite a few Arabs who live and have lived in the US about how things have changed since 9/11 - and considering they are the ones getting the shit for this, I would tend to think their opinions are more convincing than yours. Most Americans view Muslims as being camel shagging terrorists who have nothing better to do than call "death to America" all day - the amount of ignorance in the US when it comes to Muslims is unbelievable. Again, the DPW deal proves this - despite the fact that the company wouldn't even be in charge of security, the public was against it simply because it was an Arabic company. That says a lot by itself, and shows the mindset the American public has thanks to Bush's campaign of fear.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 47):
Thanks for your suggestion that I need to live in the Muslim or Arab world to see how things really are, I guess knowing people from those nationalities doesn't count. Take your own advice to me and come live here for sometime..

No, it doesn't - you have to experience it yourself. I, on the other hand, can comment on the West and the US much more than you can because I have been educated in British schools here in the Middle East since God knows when and I have been in the US, not to mention that both my parents have lived there. Miami, what Arab countries have you visited?
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RE: Ahmadinejad Calls For Leaders To Convert Or Die

Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 47):
it is not so much of a "term" as the impression widespread in the Arab World and other parts of the Middle East, that the US-American actions are not so much against terror(ism) or particular regimes like the Taliban, but a kind of "crusade" of a religiously enflamed US-president against Muslim countries in general. Exaggerated this is, but not without some reasons.
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so what conclusion do you draw when most of the Arab world believes such is the case

WRONG, I did NOT say "most of the Arab World", but many people in the Arab World, and that is what I understand under "widespread". No, I dare to say that most people in the Arab World do NOT believe so.
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 47):
that Jewish/American guy who goes to Qatar and Indonesia and is answering questions from students? The things they said were pretty funny,

A) "the things they said" are not more funny than what US students say
B) to be arrogant in such situations is simply WRONG. Or were you so wise at that age ? Did you have the perspectives you have now ? And, attention, if you travel to another place, YOU are the one who has jumped, you have seen the other place, while many "locals" have not seen your place.
C) to accept questions and to answer them as best as you can is the thing to do in such situations, wherever in the world you are.
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Quoting QR332 (Reply 48):
not really. Only the US-part had to be separated and sold to a US company. The major parts of the deal were carried through without much ado. DPW has in fact become a major global player in these fields
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My point was about the US part, which did completely fall through.

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correct of course. It just is necessary to make it clear that the USA only could stop a minor section of an internationally important deal of that magnitude
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