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Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:56 am

From Associated Press...
"An effort to force a redesign of the nation's currency so paper money could be more easily used by the blind would be too expensive and could cause undue hardships on the vending machine industry, the Bush administration says.

...the United States was the only nation out of 180 issuing paper currency that printed bills that were identical in size and color in all their denominations...

...use of such features as varying sizes, raised lettering and tiny perforations used by other nations as evidence such changes were feasible..."


It is really sad that the Bush Administration would rather kiss the vending machine industry's ass, then make our currency easier to use for the blind.
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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:58 am

Changing the size of notes is an anti-fraud measure, if nothing else.
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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:59 am

Bush's father was the one that pushed for the Americans with Disabilites Act....and now Bush Jr. seems to be killing it.... go figure!!
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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
United States was the only nation out of 180 issuing paper currency that printed bills that were identical in size and color in all their denominations...

That always puzzled me about the US dollar. Anyone know why the same size and colours are used?
 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:10 am

Surely having bills off different sizes and with more distinguishing features should be a help to the vending machine industry, rather than a problem - in the long run at least. And since when is the vending machine industry so all-fired important that it can control the currency format of the worlds largest economy ? Presumably the roll-out of the new currency would have to be phased over a long period of time, that should give Coke and Pepsi plenty of time to change their machines.

Look at Dec 31 2001, for example - a currency rollout across 11 countries, changing 11 different currencies to one, affecting 300 million people, was achieved incredibly fast, and with minimum disruption - and guess what ? All the vending machines caught up, eventually - it took a bit of time, but it was achieved. I'm pretty sure America, one country and not actually changing the currency, only the appearance of the notes, could manage it.
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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):

See, George Bush is a conservative. They aren't really known to promote much change - must be something about the name or whatever.  Wink





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Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:28 am

It's those obese people who will get upset when they goto buy a twinkie and the vending machine won't accept their new $1 note. There will be mass hysteria.
 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
...use of such features as varying sizes, raised lettering and tiny perforations used by other nations as evidence such changes were feasible..."

I don't want varying sizes. It makes it less easy to carry them neatly in a wallet. I don't see why we can't just raise the numbering on the bills, so the blind can run their fingers over it and feel the number "10".

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 3):
That always puzzled me about the US dollar. Anyone know why the same size and colours are used?

No idea. But I do not want purple, pink or gold US dollars.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
And since when is the vending machine industry so all-fired important that it can control the currency format of the worlds largest economy ? Presumably the roll-out of the new currency would have to be phased over a long period of time, that should give Coke and Pepsi plenty of time to change their machines.

Well, think about it. Every dollar bill acceptor (change machines, vending machines, self-service kiosks anything else automated) would have to be changed. Phasing the new currency sizes over a long period of time would still require the machines to be changed quickly - someone will just pass over a vending machine if their new dollar didn't fit and they didn't happen to have an old one on them.

I agree that the numbers on the dollar bills should be raised so the blind can easily access money. This is a very fair compromise for both the automated machine industry and the blind.

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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 3):
That always puzzled me about the US dollar. Anyone know why the same size and colours are used?

Because we're pompous and full of ourselves and refuse to change, no matter what? After much resistance, they changed the design in the mid 90s, to make it harder to counterfeit, and then they added colors, ala the Euro. But we retained a uniform look and feel for the currency...

The only reason they are resisting the change is because vending machine makers and owners helped finance Bush's election and re-election, and helped finance the republican party, and pay lobbyists to lobby for exactly this sort of thing to not happen. It's how the political process works in America.

Essentially, a rich group or industry will donate to a candidate running for office. In turn, there is an implied understanding that the candidate will vote in that donors interests. This same rich group also pays an entire class of people called lobbyists. The job of the lobbyist is to be paid by corporations and then go to government staffers and elected representatives, and make presentations and, as the name implies, lobby for a certain legislative action. Many of the the big bills passed recently were in fact written in large part by lobbyists, and aren't read by congress. I love our travesty of a government.
 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:40 am

Christopher Gray, president of the American Council of the Blind, said that although his group had been lobbying for changes to help the blind since 1995, the government had yet to conduct any feasibility studies of what those changes might cost. He noted that during that time, several design changes had been made to thwart counterfeiters.

Seems the Clinton Administration blew this off too.


(source: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...8319.story?coll=la-news-a_section)
 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:43 am

What doesn't make any sense to me is using dollar coins in vending machines would save the vending industry millions!! Why aren't they pushing for that?

As for your over-attachment to your money Aa757first, the Buddha says attachments are the root of all unhappiness... I guarantee you'd get used to different sized and colored bills quite quickly... it all spends the same!  Big grin
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 10):
What doesn't make any sense to me is using dollar coins in vending machines would save the vending industry millions!! Why aren't they pushing for that?

Because they are probably saving more money by implementing machines that take debit/credit cards.

Which would be safer and easier for the blind anyway (to use debit cards for transactions.)
 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
It is really sad that the Bush Administration would rather kiss the vending machine industry's ass, then make our currency easier to use for the blind.

Especially when there is a very simple solution to this...

I don't know about everyone else, but I've never loaded $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100 bills in to a vending machine. So, you keep the $1 exactly as they are, and redesign the rest. Problem solved.
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
could cause undue hardships on the vending machine industry, the Bush administration says.

 rotfl 

Well, it's clear the Bush administration has the people from Seinfeld writing policy.
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
It is really sad that the Bush Administration would rather kiss the vending machine industry's ass, then make our currency easier to use for the blind.

As much as I despise Bush, this might be something I agree with him on. It would be really cost preventative. I dunno maybe he is finally deciding to finally "trim the fat" as he claimed in the 2000 campaign.
You see, we cut taxes, then we increase ear mark spending 20fold, and we deem the need to build nations in places that are already nations, and we cant expect him to veto a spending bill, so in his little mind, the buck really does stop here. Its all justified for him right there.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 12):
So, you keep the $1 exactly as they are, and redesign the rest. Problem solved.

Well with all the casinos popping up, people do force-feed larger bills into those machines for quarters. While I agree with your thoughts, it would be easier to re-design the one dollar bill and leave the rest the same for vending machine purposes.

Americans dont like much change in thier lives. Especially the right. If we could turn back the clock to the early 1950s, they would be overjoyed. This will in my eyes be like the impending invasion of the metric system! 15 years ago, it was coming, maybe that metric system got held up on the Mexican border at the 800 mile fenced portion of that 2000 mile border. Who knows.
 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:41 am

Trash the paper dollar and start using dollar coins. There are new dollar coins being issued next year for circulation.



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Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:00 am

No dollar coins, they are a pain in the ass . . . as it is I have 22 $1 bills in my pocket at the moment (and before someone trashes me, I have other denominations in there too  laughing  ). I do NOT want to cart around 21 dollar coins in my pocket . . .  no 

As for changing the color - to service the blind?  crazy  Did I miss something here?

Fine, change the size, who cares. As long as it spends I don't care what the size, really . . . within reason. In twenty years, we won't be using currency anyway, we'll all have bank cards or a chip in our forehead anyway . . .

Do I want it changed? Nope. But then, I'm not blind either, and paying for something at a store or concession and hoping the clerk doesn't screw me over. Now, I know how blind folk identify what they carry in their wallets - one method is the "folding" method, singles get no fold; fives are in half; tens are folded lengthwise once; twenties folded twice, etc. But the blind person won't get their change back from a twenty in that fashion . . . so for their sake, fine . . . makes it easier on them and has - in the big scheme of things - no effect on a sighted person.
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 12):

Especially when there is a very simple solution to this...

I don't know about everyone else, but I've never loaded $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100 bills in to a vending machine. So, you keep the $1 exactly as they are, and redesign the rest. Problem solved.

Haven't you seen the iPod vending machines that are popping up everywhere??? Those things aint cheap you know  Wink
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 12):
I've never loaded $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100 bills in to a vending machine

Casino machines take these denomonations.

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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:16 am

I enjoy our $1 and $2 coins.

I've adapted quite well. It's not a pain in the ass like you guys make it out to be.

btw, our Monopoly money is wonderful.  Wink
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:17 am

These are becoming more popular. They were reprinted in 1995 and will probably be reprinted in 2007 due to demand.



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Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:31 am

This is the exact reason that the blind shouldn't be issued a dog. They should be given midgets. Mojo could count the money for them.
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:33 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 20):
These are becoming more popular. They were reprinted in 1995 and will probably be reprinted in 2007 due to demand.

I actually have a roll of uncut $2 bills I bought at the mint in DC. I bought them in 2002, but they are dated '95.
 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 21):
This is the exact reason that the blind shouldn't be issued a dog. They should be given midgets. Mojo could count the money for them.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

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Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 3):
Anyone know why the same size and colours are used?

Yeah...been like that for 75 years. Its cheaper, easier and far more secure to keep one company making and servicing one type of machine that will enable each branch to print every denomination without the need to have separate machines.

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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:04 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
as it is I have 22 $1 bills in my pocket at the moment

Damn, is it dollar dance night at the booby bar?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
As for changing the color - to service the blind? Did I miss something here?

I was wondering how a blind person gets anything from a vending machine when there is a piece of glass between you and the product? And I've yet to see a vending machine with braille numbers imprinted on the keys.

If you want a good laugh though, next time you pass though IAH and term E, go take a look at the pilots wx room. Weather Room is spelled out in, you guessed it, braille beneath the sign.
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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 10):
What doesn't make any sense to me is using dollar coins in vending machines would save the vending industry millions!! Why aren't they pushing for that?

True, but coins are less convenient to carry around.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 10):

As for your over-attachment to your money Aa757first, the Buddha says attachments are the root of all unhappiness... I guarantee you'd get used to different sized and colored bills quite quickly... it all spends the same! Big grin

True, but wouldn't it make the most sense to add raises over the number so the blind could feel it? Or say shapes (say, $10s have a slightly raised square in the middle, $20s have a raised X in the middle, etc) raised in the bill instead of changing the size of them? This way, both the blind and the companies win.

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Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:42 am

Edit: Wrong thread.

Er....I think they should change the colour. Discuss.

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Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 25):
Damn, is it dollar dance night at the booby bar?

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Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:52 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 27):
Er....I think they should change the colour. Discuss.

 rotfl 

Don't know why, but I found this humorous.  Big grin
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 28):
The Great Alaskan Bush Company . . .

This was a mandatory stop when we would crew rest at Elmendorf...

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Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 28):
Old Seward and Int'l Airport Road . . .

The Great Alaskan Bush Company . . .

Okay this is the second thread you mentioned the Great Alaskan Bush Company, by any chance are you getting a cut of the action  devil  Must be the reason to have 22 $1 bills in your wallet.  cheerful 
 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 7):
Well, think about it. Every dollar bill acceptor (change machines, vending machines, self-service kiosks anything else automated) would have to be changed. Phasing the new currency sizes over a long period of time would still require the machines to be changed quickly - someone will just pass over a vending machine if their new dollar didn't fit and they didn't happen to have an old one on them.

Not true. Most newer bill acceptors are capable of accepting different sized bills, they would just need a firmware upgrade. You have to remember that most bill acceptors aren't made in America.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 18):
Casino machines take these denomonations.

Yep, these are the ones I work on

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Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:47 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 29):


Don't know why, but I found this humorous. Big grin

Heh...Im thinkin maybe its reminiscent of Mike Myers' character Linda Richman on SNL's skit "Coffee Talk" way back when... "..."I'm getting all vklempt (sp?)!"
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:30 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 15):
Trash the paper dollar and start using dollar coins. There are new dollar coins being issued next year for circulation.

Umm, what would happen in strip clubs? I don't want to be forced to put fives in the stripper's g-string, and I imagine coins don't stay in g-strings. Of course, the stripper could put the coins elsewhere  Wink
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 31):
Okay this is the second thread you mentioned the Great Alaskan Bush Company,

Nope, I wish . . .

In fact, have been in there once in the last three years . . . just so happens it was about two weeks ago, so still fresh  eyepopping  in my brain. Plus, it's about the only place like that in ANC where you won't catch something bad for your health just sitting down . . . .  scared 

Quoting Gunships (Reply 30):
This was a mandatory stop when we would crew rest at Elmendorf...

 rotfl 

Yup.
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 15):
There are new dollar coins being issued next year for circulation.

And I am sure they will be as successful as the Susan B. Anthony and the Sacajawea (spl?) dollar coins.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 28):
The Great Alaskan Bush Company .

Now how in the hell do you tuck a dollar coin in a g-string?

I think the dollar coins are just an attempt by the stripping industry to get more tips....patrons will be forced to be used fives.
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 36):
And I am sure they will be as successful as the Susan B. Anthony and the Sacajawea (spl?) dollar coins

In Canada, the $1 bill was discontinued when the $1 coin was introduced. Same in other countries. The reason the $1 coin doesn't work here is that they refuse to discontinue the $1 bill.

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Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 36):
Now how in the hell do you tuck a dollar coin in a g-string?

Who said anything about a G-String?  shhh 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 15):
Trash the paper dollar and start using dollar coins. There are new dollar coins being issued next year for circulation.

I agree. Studies have even shown that the treasury would save a lot of money by going to one dollar coins, because of the obviously greater durability of a coin and significantly decreased overall production costs. Most people don't carry a wad of ones. They carry several ones mixed with fives, tens, and twenties. Switching the one to a coin really wouldn't be a difficult adaptation for the average person.
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 7):
I don't want varying sizes. It makes it less easy to carry them neatly in a wallet.

No it dosen't, it makes it easier.

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 7):
No idea. But I do not want purple, pink or gold US dollars.

Why not? Makes it much easier to select the right denomination

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 7):
Every dollar bill acceptor (change machines, vending machines, self-service kiosks anything else automated) would have to be changed.

It's just a software update, can be done by the money clearer/restocker. Now try changing your coins! Now thats a pain, but relatively cheap even so.

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Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 40):
Quoting Aa757first (Reply 7):
No idea. But I do not want purple, pink or gold US dollars.

Why not? Makes it much easier to select the right denomination

And that will help a blind person identify money in what way???
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:35 pm

We could make our money out of polypropylene with transparent, embossed windows to help the blind identify each note. Australia and several other countries have done so for many years.



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Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
...the United States was the only nation out of 180 issuing paper currency that printed bills that were identical in size and color in all their denominations...

That's not entirely true. Starting with the latest $20 bill issued in 2003, $50 bill in 2004, and $10 bill in 2006 each one has a different color background. The $5 bill is being redesigned as well and should be in circulation in 2008.





Quoting Dvk (Reply 39):
Most people don't carry a wad of ones. They carry several ones mixed with fives, tens, and twenties. Switching the one to a coin really wouldn't be a difficult adaptation for the average person.

$1 bills are usually the most numerous bill carried in a wallet. Right now, I have 13 bills in my wallet. 10 of them are $1 bills. Plus, many men's wallets don't even have a place to carry coins.
 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:14 pm

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 25):
Weather Room is spelled out in, you guessed it, braille beneath the sign.

Not to be disrespectful but what I love is the braille on the drive up ATM machine.
 
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 43):
Right now, I have 13 bills in my wallet. 10 of them are $1 bills.

Something I quickly noted while living in the UK was that you don't let yourself end up with a pocketful of £1 and £2 coins. You spend them. I rarely had more than five £1 coins and more than three £2 coins in my pocket at a time.

Here in the USA, it's easy to end up with a wad of $1 bills because they're lightweight and easy to stash in your pocket. I can't stand it if I have more than six $1 bills in my pocket at a time. I only keep $5 bills and up in my wallet.

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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 43):
many men's wallets don't even have a place to carry coins.

That's what pants pockets are for.
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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:58 pm

This was the subject of another thread a couple of weeks ago as there was a recent US District Court (Dist. of DC) decision. The decision was in favor of a lawsuit by the visually handicapped Plaintiffs to require money have some way for them to be able to identify paper money. This has been appealed to the US Circuit Court for the Dist. of DC by the Dept. of the Treasury as they said it would cost at least $400 Million more to set up and do some form of bumps or other similar way to allow non-visual id of paper money. An opinion of that court should be made in the next couple of months. I wouldn't be surprised that if the Government were to win on appeal, then it would be appealed to the US Supreme Court.
Personally I think like the money of almost all countries of the world, we should provide the ability for the visually handicapped to ID money. This would be consistent with international standards as well as our Americans with Disabilities Act. Canada would be best and closest example to the USA of using bumps on their paper money to provide id for the visually handicapped.
 
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RE: Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign

Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 26):
True, but coins are less convenient to carry around.

I disagree. Coins in my pocket are quite easy to access. In fact, I don't really like carrying a wallet for two reasons... one, safety and two, it's not comfortable to sit on. Europe and Canada have no problems with coins... are we not as competent? Are we coin-challenged?? Wait, don't answer that.

If $1 bills were discontinued, people would quickly make the transition. Yes there would be whining, but I think the beneifts would become clear.
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