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Another Reason To Go Mac

Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:47 pm

As most people probably know, I am a recent convert to IMac and mac OS X.

My experience this weekend just confirms the belief that I will NEVER go back to Windows.

After a weekend-long frenzy of taking photos of our new grandsons, I volunteered to take the memory chips from three cameras over to the local drug store and put all the photos on one CD. (We were at an out-of town hospital, and had no access to a computer).

When I got to my daughter's house, I had the frustration of getting her Windows machine to read the photo CD, then figure out a way to bypass the Kodak software which came on the CD. I eventually did it, but it wasn't intuitive, nor simple.

Came home, put the same photo CD in my IMac, and in one click had every photo downloaded and free of the Kodak crap.

Not to mention the superior presentation qualities of IPhoto.....

I simply don't understand why people keep buying inferior windows software.  duck   stirthepot 
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:53 pm

Oh no let the war begin.....  Wink This is almost as bad as A vs B!!

I made the move in October and I've not looked back since. iPhoto is a real dream to use and the ease of knocking up a great presentation is just oh so simple. Teams up nicely as a great photo organiser too.

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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
I had the frustration of getting her Windows machine to read the photo CD, then figure out a way to bypass the Kodak software which came on the CD. I eventually did it, but it wasn't intuitive, nor simple.

'Open folder to view files' or [right click>explore] usually does the trick.
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:21 pm

Quoting Sulman (Reply 2):
Open folder to view files' or [right click>explore] usually does the trick.

*Takes a swing at IT Punchbag*  Wink

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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:23 pm

Kodak is pretty protective of its software. Windows doesn't include things to read it by default because of this, and Kodak has been going after people who write open-source software to read them on Linux citing proprietary software.
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
I simply don't understand why people keep buying inferior windows software.

Well you would if you did something else than just browse pics on the screen.  Wink

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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:29 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
As most people probably know, I am a recent convert to IMac and mac OS X.

My experience this weekend just confirms the belief that I will NEVER go back to Windows.

After a weekend-long frenzy of taking photos of our new grandsons, I volunteered to take the memory chips from three cameras over to the local drug store and put all the photos on one CD. (We were at an out-of town hospital, and had no access to a computer).

When I got to my daughter's house, I had the frustration of getting her Windows machine to read the photo CD, then figure out a way to bypass the Kodak software which came on the CD. I eventually did it, but it wasn't intuitive, nor simple.

Came home, put the same photo CD in my IMac, and in one click had every photo downloaded and free of the Kodak crap.

Not to mention the superior presentation qualities of IPhoto.....

I simply don't understand why people keep buying inferior windows software.

This has nothing to do with windows, it is Kodak putting un-needed and pointless software onto the CD.

It didn't do that on the Mac because auto-play was turned off (probably, i don't use macs).

I have auto-play disabled on my XP machine, so that kodak software wouldn't play either.

(if you want to know how, look here:-
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article03-018 )
 
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:39 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):

Which is a shame as all it does is alienate more would-be customers... That being said I realize that there arent THAT many linux users, but its still enough.

Now back to the topic. I semi-switched back in '03 when I bought a used powerbook. I loved it. This past july I bought a new Macbook Pro and am happy beyond belief. It has locked once... and idk but my girlfriend froze it in iTunes. Anyways. I am now on my mac 9/10 times. And with the advent of bootcamp I am on my pc even less. Now as to why some people just dont switch, the things I think are the reasons are simple. Fear: dont want to try something new, cost: software mostly ie: MS office aint cheap, plus the mac is still a tiny part of the market share compared to windows. And I think until a user can put ALL their pc software and peripherals on their mac natively without bootcamp or some third party app, I think you wont see a huge amount make the switch.
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:00 am

I think it is wrong to paint Windows as being rubbish and Mac as being the most amazing invention ever. There are things that Windows is not strong at, just as there are things that OSX is believe it or not weak at. Forgive me for being harsh Halls120 but I did not see any reason to go with Mac in your post. Can't every operating system open up a photo CD?

I am currently running Ubuntu Linux on my computer, am posting from it now, and find it to be an amazing operating system for what I need. Different people require different things from an operating system and there is no one operating system that can accommodate everyone.
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 8):
I am currently running Ubuntu Linux on my computer

And remember, what you see on the screen of your Mac is based on Linux, which you can have for PC too. We're talking about two different hardwares here. Windows is just another OS.

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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
then figure out a way to bypass the Kodak software which came on the CD

Bitching about Windows because of the Kodak software is like bitching about the radio in your car because of the station it's tuned to.

I'm not trying to defend Windows, I am on a Linux machine at the moment myself, but your thread title is not the most appropriate. A better one would be "Another Reason Kodak Software On A Picture CD Sucks".

It's really easy to fix this problem, just disable autoplay for that drive. Just right-click on the drive in "My Computer", click "Properties", then click the "AutoPlay" tab. Micro$oft set it up to autoplay as a convenience for those who are not computer-literate and Kodak took unfair advantage of that feature by not building a decision dialog into their software asking the user whether or not they would like to use their software.

Mac sucks. You're locked into an even more proprietary format than Windows. But at least it's really easy to use for those who know nothing at all about computers and are willing to pay the extra $$$$.$$ rather than going to the effort to actually learn something and work with it and/or those who want to run only limited types of software.
 
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 10):
Mac sucks. You're locked into an even more proprietary format than Windows. But at least it's really easy to use for those who know nothing at all about computers and are willing to pay the extra $$$$.$$ rather than going to the effort to actually learn something and work with it and/or those who want to run only limited types of software.

That's a pretty myopic view there, but one that can almost be turned around verbatim by the Mac camp. Oh well.

It boils down to personal preference. I'm free to use Windows on my MBP, but I don't. Why? I can use everything I need on the Mac OS, it runs less buggy than the comparable Windows software, it's more intuitive (simplicity doesn't always equate into inferiority), and in my experience the build quality and support is far superior to the PC offerings I've used over the years.
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:22 am

I'd love to buy an Mac laptop, problem is there is really no sane reason to ditch my current Toshiba laptop, once this one bits the proverbial bullet, I'll go Mac for sure.
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Came home, put the same photo CD in my IMac, and in one click had every photo downloaded and free of the Kodak crap.

Not to mention the superior presentation qualities of IPhoto.....

I simply don't understand why people keep buying inferior windows software.

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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 10):
Mac sucks. You're locked into an even more proprietary format than Windows. But at least it's really easy to use for those who know nothing at all about computers and are willing to pay the extra $$$$.$$ rather than going to the effort to actually learn something and work with it and/or those who want to run only limited types of software.

 highfive  Agree 100% in that you are limited as to what hardware you can run Mac OSX on. I know the Mac people will say that it is the hardware that makes money but I have always been one for a bargain and you do no get a bargain when a company has a monopoly.

Quoting Queso (Reply 10):
I am on a Linux machine at the moment myself,

Out of interest, what version of Linux are you running?
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 8):
I think it is wrong to paint Windows as being rubbish and Mac as being the most amazing invention ever. There are things that Windows is not strong at, just as there are things that OSX is believe it or not weak at. Forgive me for being harsh Halls120 but I did not see any reason to go with Mac in your post. Can't every operating system open up a photo CD?

I never said Windows was rubbish. It just isn't as intuitive as Mac for the tasks I use a computer for.

Quoting Queso (Reply 10):
Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
then figure out a way to bypass the Kodak software which came on the CD

Bitching about Windows because of the Kodak software is like bitching about the radio in your car because of the station it's tuned to.

I realize that the Kodak software was the initial culprit. And I eventually overcame it.

Point is, I didn't have to do any of the mouse gymnastics in Mac that I did with a Windows unit. The Mac software did it for me.

Quoting Queso (Reply 10):
It's really easy to fix this problem, just disable autoplay for that drive. Just right-click on the drive in "My Computer", click "Properties", then click the "AutoPlay" tab. Micro$oft set it up to autoplay as a convenience for those who are not computer-literate and Kodak took unfair advantage of that feature by not building a decision dialog into their software asking the user whether or not they would like to use their software.

You are right. I can take steps to disable autoplay, which I have indeed done on my Windows machine here at work.

But it was easier with the Mac.

Why do Windows partisans get so upset about the fact that in many cases, Mac is indeed easier than Windows?

Quoting Queso (Reply 10):
You're locked into an even more proprietary format than Windows. But at least it's really easy to use for those who know nothing at all about computers and are willing to pay the extra $$$$.$$ rather than going to the effort to actually learn something and work with it and/or those who want to run only limited types of software.

After using MS software for 14 years on a home computer, what's wrong with buying a machine that does what I want it to do with less effort?
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Why do Windows partisans get so upset about the fact that in many cases, Mac is indeed easier than Windows?

It's the reaction of the jilted lover who realizes he just doesn't have the dough to make an impression on Cindy Crawford
or the person who knows deep in his heart he doesn't have the jack for prime rib so it's going to be Burger King-AGAIN! So he tries to make a virtue of necessity by attacking the object of his desire and assuming a sense of indignant virtue...it's all compensating, doncha see?

On the other hand, if you're an inveterate tinkerer and cheapskate (me) you like Wintel machines.

See, it's the difference between a big fast Benz and a Plymouth Roadrunner.....different stuff, right?

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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
what's wrong with buying a machine that does what I want it to do with less effort?

Nothing at all! If it indeed does everything you want it to do at the price you want to pay, it fits you and nobody can fault you for that.

Tmatt95 said it perfectly:

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 8):
Different people require different things from an operating system and there is no one operating system that can accommodate everyone.



Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 14):
Out of interest, what version of Linux are you running?

Right now, it's Debian-based Knoppix 4.02 booted from a Live CD. The laptop I am on has XP SP2, so I just pop my CD into the drive and boot from it. When I am finished, I pop the CD out, restart the PC and PRESTO! It's like nobody has used the computer since it was last booted to XP! It can also read the NTFS partition so if anybody thinks your data is safe on a Windows machine that you have to use a password log into, think again.

I also use other Live CD versions of Linux like DSL (Damn Small Linux on a mini-CD, uses only 50mb of RAM!), Puppy Linux (mini-CD), Guadalinux, and Helix. I also have Knoppix 5.01, but I don't like to use it because it can write to a NTFS partition and I like to leave the hard drive forensically clean.

I have a 1GB USB drive onto which I have put a bootable copy of Knoppix 4.02 and I carry it around with me so any computer that can boot from USB can be mine, all I have to do is stick the USB drive into the port and reboot it.

Was that answer too Geeky?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix

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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 13):
Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Came home, put the same photo CD in my IMac, and in one click had every photo downloaded and free of the Kodak crap.

Not to mention the superior presentation qualities of IPhoto.....

I simply don't understand why people keep buying inferior windows software.

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Klaus-who else?

 rotfl  can't there be at least ONE thing Klaus and me can agree on?
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 10):
Mac sucks. You're locked into an even more proprietary format than Windows. But at least it's really easy to use for those who know nothing at all about computers and are willing to pay the extra $$$$.$$ rather than going to the effort to actually learn something and work with it and/or those who want to run only limited types of software.

Ohh please  Smile ... computers are my daily job. And guess what? I just switched to Mac. Right, I could also have switched to Linux, but since I didn't only need a more stable and more unix-like operating system, but also one with a great user interface and working productivity (office-like) tools, I picked OS X. I could have installed Windows XP with Boot Camp, but I did not, and I will not.

There is no software I use personally or for work which doesn't exist or have an equivalent under OS X, and the added stability/reliability without all the MS .NET crap is simply unbeatable.

Yes, Macs are a good choice also for those who don't know anything about computers, and I think it's a good thing - if someone asks me what computer they should buy, I always recommend a Mac. Why? Because I will never hear them again because of computer trouble, unless it physically breaks. It just works, period. When I was still recommending Windows PCs I had almost daily calls from so-called friends who needed help. This is over.

Not wanting to deal with Microsoft's crappy security and stability problems doesn't mean that someone doesn't want to "learn something and work with it". I definitely know how it works, but I think it's useless having to spend a percentage of my spare time just to make sure Windows works. Of course there might be people who actually enjoy doing that. Fine by me. It's more or less like automatic vs manual cars  Wink

And for my job, the underlying Unix OS is also a definite plus. As I said, Linux would have been OK as well, but font management and office productivity tools are still in embryonic stage IMHO.

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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 19):
Ohh please ... computers are my daily job. And guess what? I just switched to Mac.

They are my job, too. I'm responsible for 1,300 workstations and 26 servers and they run just chipper with XP and Windows Server 2003.

Sorry to hear about your misfortune in being forced to downgrade to Macs.  fight 
 
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 10):
Mac sucks. You're locked into an even more proprietary format than Windows. But at least it's really easy to use for those who know nothing at all about computers and are willing to pay the extra $$$$.$$ rather than going to the effort to actually learn something and work with it and/or those who want to run only limited types of software.

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Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 14):
you do no get a bargain when a company has a monopoly.

Ahh yes, because Microsoft don't have any kind of monopoly whatsoever and provide such excellent value for money with their products.  sarcastic 
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:53 am

I don't think XP is actually bad value really.

MS provide a lot of support for it (OK, they need to), but at least for home use it's not overpriced.
 
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:57 am

I love my 15" PB G4 which I got new 2.5 years ago, an incredible machine. It's running Mac OS 10.4.8, which has the best UI (IMHO). Also, for those who are geeky, Mac OS X has a UNIX core underneath. It was actually one of the reasons I bought a Mac. I use X11 daily to run different engineering software on remote Linux boxes. Currently, I still use my windows box for FS9, but I think I'll get an iMac next fall. By the way, is anyone using a 24" iMac? If so, how is it?
 
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 20):
 

Wait, are you this poor guy?

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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21):

Ahh yes, because Microsoft don't have any kind of monopoly whatsoever and provide such excellent value for money with their products. sarcastic

No but they do not limit what hardware the operating system will run on, unlike Mac. Out of interest what do you mean by monopoly? They are not the only player in the desktop market and competition is as bad as ever.
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 25):
Out of interest what do you mean by monopoly? They are not the only player in the desktop market and competition is as bad as ever.

Microsoft OWN the desktop market (unfortunately). As of last year's figures, they have a 92% share of the desktop market. They may not have a monopoly on hardware, but they certainly do when it comes to software. Why do you think they've had such a tough time with the EU Monopolies Commission?

Apple have anything but a hardware monopoly. Their O/S, being a POSIX modelled O/S is borderline open source. The fact that they only let it run on their hardware is absolutely no different to Microsoft forcing you to tie your copy of Windows to a single system, or Dell forcing you use their proprietary ink cartridges in their printers, or cellphone providers locking phones to their network etc.

And the fact that Apple's hardware is quite superior to most doesn't hurt either.
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 26):
Apple have anything but a hardware monopoly. Their O/S, being a POSIX modelled O/S is borderline open source. The fact that they only let it run on their hardware is absolutely no different to Microsoft forcing you to tie your copy of Windows to a single system, or Dell forcing you use their proprietary ink cartridges in their printers, or cellphone providers locking phones to their network etc.

And the fact that Apple's hardware is quite superior to most doesn't hurt either.

I can kind of see your logic but there is nothing stopping me from buying Windows XP and putting it on any computer that I own. Where as I need a to have Apple hardware before I can even think of buying OS X.
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:37 am

I switched from Windows to a Mac Mini - Core Duo on OS X several months ago to:
i) avoid 90% of security issues
ii) improve user experience / ergnomics
iii) oppose the Beast and its image (flying window)

Satisfied customer.
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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 18):
can't there be at least ONE thing Klaus and me can agree on?

Well, that kinda depends on what floats your boat, right?


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RE: Another Reason To Go Mac

Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 29):
Well, that kinda depends on what floats your boat, right?

Most certainly! Big grin

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