ajd1992
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Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:11 am

Hi,
Me and a few friends are pretty much tired of bad, static filled recordings done by MP3 players and dictaphones. So.... how can we record our band without all this static/bad quality? FYI, the genre is punk/rock/alternative.
 
bagpiper
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:23 am

well...

you could look around for a start-up studio, they usually have very good rates. Often times its free setup, free first 2 hours, then sometimes as cheap as 40 bucks an hour after that.

Or, you could buy a small mixer, some mics, and a USB converter and record onto a computer.

Either way, it won't be really cheap
 
ajd1992
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:38 am

$40 is about £25... we can't afford that. All of the instruments can be plugged into a mixer without too much hassle, even the drums (they're electric) Looking at mixers, they aren't exactly cheap either. Anybody have any good suggestions for a cheap one with 4/5 inputs?
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:44 am

I would have to say rent a studio as well. If you want to sound good, most of your options are going to cost you a bit. You could theoretically run the line outs from all of your equipment into a mixer and then send the mixer into the line in on a computer. That should work, but you still need a mixer..
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ajd1992
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:51 am

Would the place we're recording in have anything to do with the quality? Having 4 of us in a 10x10 room isn't ideal, but will it matter to the mixer?
 
bagpiper
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:25 am

nah, as long as the mics are setup correctly, it shouldn't be a big deal. Now, if you have any sort of monitors or anything in there (headphones are fine, I'm talking about the floor wedges here), then 10x10 is too small.
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:48 am

www.kreatives.org/kristal

It's a free 16 channel multitracker, like a scaled-down protools or cubase. It's stunningly brilliant.
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CastleIsland
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 6):

This looks like a good, cheap way of getting the instrument separation you'll need to get a good recording. Don't record your band "live," have each member lay their part(s) down in separate tracks. This will avoid bleeding into different microphones. You'll find that recording drums requires the greatest capital input, but you might get away with using several vocal mics - it's just that that is far from ideal.

As for order, try to get the rhythm guitar down first, then vocals, so the rest will use this to follow the construct of the tune. Add bass and other guitar or keys. Drums typically last so the drummer can hear the bass line and hear space for fills.

Hopefully with the mixing tool that IFEMaster posted, you'll be able to add reverb, compression and other desired effects to each individual track. Then when the tracks are completed, a final EQ (mastering) is done on the mix to obtain a "master."
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:33 am

Consult with experts such as me & Matt D.



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ajd1992
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:35 am

Wow... that rocks. The drums just need one standard guitar cable; they're electric. Also, thanks for the advice CastleIsland - I'm a real n00b at this sort of thing.
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting Ajd1992 (Thread starter):
FYI, the genre is punk/rock/alternative.

Not if you care about recording quality!  Wink
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 10):
Quoting Ajd1992 (Thread starter):
FYI, the genre is punk/rock/alternative.

Not if you care about recording quality!

Well, for now it is  Silly who knows what's around the corner Big grin

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):

 rotf  I saw that thread a while back, before I was a member Big grin
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:01 am

Castleisland, are you high or do you guys play to a click track? How the hell are the instruments gonna be in time with each other if the drum groove isn't laid down first? You do the drums, with the rhythm guitar in the cans (headphones), and then everyone plays to the drum groove.
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:02 am

Ajd1992:
For punk, all you need is this.  duck 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 12):
Castleisland, are you high or do you guys play to a click track?

No and yes.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
For punk, all you need is this.

That had better be a low bias tape as well.  Wink
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:17 am

¬_¬ Punk should be high quality, and loud  Silly We will branch out into metal or maybe emo at some stage... Anyway, our guitarist has managed to pull a few strings with his dad's friend who owns a recording studio  bigthumbsup   checkmark   cool 
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 14):
That had better be a low bias tape as well.

Looks like one of those Laser, Certron or Kmart tapes.
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:47 am

too add to what castleland said;

this might seem like common sense, but a lot of people never think of this:

once you record the first part (guitar most likely), give the next person you record head phones playing the first part.


I've worked with lots of people who are recording, and they never even think of doing that. To me it seems natural, but...


anyways, good luck with the project! make sure you post the results  Smile

If you were anywhere near me, I'd let you come to a place I run sound at, and let you record there. We have some nice stuff... Allan and Heath GL2400 32 channel mixer, several CD and DVD recorders, etc. /bragging  Silly
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:55 am

Unfortunately, I'm near Liverpool (I know you're American)  Sad Apparently we've got recording time on the cheap, if we have I'll be ecstatic!
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 18):
Unfortunately, I'm near Liverpool (I know you're American)

WOW, perhaps you all can be the next Beatles. Big grin
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:15 am

Well you can do it cheap or you can do it right.

Take your pick. But seriously. If you want some good sound, invest in some analog. You just can't capture the raw sound of punk or metal with digital recording. If you can, get yourself a reel to reel. Or at least try and find someone who does and record into that. Or else you can look into any number of cassette based portastudios.

EDIT:

Here is my favorite:

The legendary Teac X-2000R

http://x-2000r.angelcities.com/images/tapestuff/DesX2000R.JPG

http://x-2000r.angelcities.com/images/tapestuff/Showpc9.JPG

[Edited 2006-12-27 00:20:31]
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 20):

somebody got left behind in time... that thing looks like what was used on the Gemini Program (USA Space Program)

 Wink
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:41 am

somebody got left behind in time... that thing looks like what was used on the Gemini Program (USA Space Program)

You mean when we actually HAD a Space program?

That's the time when we were...actually setting goals and landing men on the moon.

-Not like today where neither side of the aisle will ever even agree on what day of the week it is.

So to that end.

You just gave my system a compliment of the highest order.
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:53 am

Lego Guy or one of the users in Ireland bought a house with a recording studio in it. Im not trying to advertise for him or anything, dont even know if hes even interested, but he might let you use it for a small fee. Maybe.

Cheers,
Kyle
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
For punk, all you need is this.

 checkmark 

That's exactly what I'll be up to tonight, in fact.
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 17):
this might seem like common sense, but a lot of people never think of this:

once you record the first part (guitar most likely), give the next person you record head phones playing the first part.

Actually, we recorded our entire album without ever being in the presence of other band members (except for our guitarist who recorded it). Most efficient use of time.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 20):
If you want some good sound, invest in some analog

Analog rocks. My favorite is the almost never seen DAD. Digital recording, analog transfer for warmth, digital mastering.
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ajd1992
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 23):
Lego Guy or one of the users in Ireland bought a house with a recording studio in it. Im not trying to advertise for him or anything, dont even know if hes even interested, but he might let you use it for a small fee. Maybe.

Cheers,
Kyle

Give me the airfare + money to ship 3 basses, 4 guitars, a drum kit and singing equiment, i'm there Big grin So from reading here, analog is the best? I'm not sure what the cost is, but none of us have much money that we can access (atleast 2 of us have college/uni funding, but that's for schooling and not musical equipment) Eh.... from the looks of it, we're buggered.
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:09 pm

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 25):
Analog rocks. My favorite is the almost never seen DAD. Digital recording, analog transfer for warmth, digital mastering.

Such as the 'Counterparts' album by RUSH (1993).
Well parts of the album at least.
Luckily for me its DAA because I bought the LP the day it was released. It's out of print and saw it on eBay earlier this year for $170.00.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 22):
You mean when we actually HAD a Space program?

That's the time when we were...actually setting goals and landing men on the moon.

-Not like today where neither side of the aisle will ever even agree on what day of the week it is.

So to that end.

You just gave my system a compliment of the highest order.

VERY WELL SAID!  praise 

Interesting the Bagpiper only gave an opinion based on 'looks'.
WTF?
We are talking about professional audio gear hear.
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:12 pm

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 7):
Hopefully with the mixing tool that IFEMaster posted, you'll be able to add reverb, compression and other desired effects to each individual track.

Yep. Each channel supports 2 VST plugins as well as it's own built in EQ VST (which can be changed to anything you want by changing the file name of KristalEQ.dll), and also 3 VST effects on the master output. I use this constantly and have produced stuff that sounds better than stuff I've heard done in Pro Tools by so-called 'engineer producers'.
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bagpiper
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:19 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
Interesting the Bagpiper only gave an opinion based on 'looks'.
WTF?
We are talking about professional audio gear hear.

Calm down. It was a joke.

I have several offers for internships at some recording studios (they are start-ups, but still), and I mix live sound AND record usually twice a week.

I know analog has its good parts, and I was by no means saying it is a bad setup.

I'm sorry that everybody took it seriously - next time I'll try to tone it down a little.
 
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RE: Help Wanted On Recording My Band

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:22 pm

That's OK Bagpiper.
Me and Matt D get flamed by idiots that know nothing about music and think ipods and mp3s are better than reel to reel tape.
Sounds like you know your stuff.
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