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Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:26 am

Just came out on MSNBC. Will post a link with more details.




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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:28 am

This ought to be interesting.

Trying to give Americans something extra to celebrate for ringing in the New Year?  

Actually, MSNBC is saying within the next 48 hours, not 36.

[Edited 2006-12-29 00:29:30]
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:32 am

Just heard it on the local NBC affiliate here in Boston...Saddam won't see 2007.
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:39 am

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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:49 am

really havent been following his trial/stories...
Why wasn't he prosecuted in the Hague?

Sorry if this has been discussed
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
Why wasn't he prosecuted in the Hague?

Why would he be prosecuted there? He was charged with killing Iraqi citizens. It should have been tried in Iraq.

You know there are some nations who still have some silly notion of "national soverignty".
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:05 am

saying the former dictator should enjoy protection from his enemies as a "prisoner of war."

ENJOY? why should a man that has put an end to so many peoples enjoyment of life be able to enjoy it himself.



saying capital punishment goes against the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

I so want to say something to this, but this isn't the thread to say it in.



I find this funny how we don't think twice about going into Iraq and killing tons of innocent people (including children) yet here we are faced with a man that has done countless wrong things and we are questioning whether its right to kill him. (yet as I wrote that I thought to myself... if we are to kill him for killing innocents, what should we do about our selves here in the USA?)

I wonder who will be next to turn on America, I mean it seems to be people that use to friends with America you must not forget US protege Saddam Hussein or one-time CIA trainee Osama bin Laden.

The US Empire has dug a hole and we keep digging it deeper. Look at what happened to the Roman empire, for instance. They spend to much money they didn't have, they had non Romans ruling it towards the end of their existence, most importantly is the fact that they over extended their empire way to much. They had all their forces out trying to either battle other countries or/and make other cultures follow in their believes and ways of living. while this was happening the Roman empires heart (Rome itself) was left in a weak state. This was a perfect time for Nomad groups and Barbarians to come in and attack... all of this (plus some) lead to the fall of the Roman empire. Now compare this to the US empire. seeing any similarities.

sorry about going off on a bit of a rant, but it feels good to have said that.  Smile

I don't want to say more as I will get worked up and go off on a rant to one of my parents about this (hehehe, i guess I "rant" about politics and the world to much)

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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
You know there are some nations who still have some silly notion of "national soverignty".

Presumably not your own, which invaded a sovereign nation on the basis of a lie or gross incompetence?
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 7):
Presumably not your own, which invaded a sovereign nation on the basis of a lie or gross incompetence?

I'm not debating that, my friend. I'm debating the fact that this Iraqi government has every right to try and execute a criminal under their own laws. In this case, Baghdad, not The Hague, was the proper place to try Saddam Hussein.

Nice try to change the subject, thought. Save it for another time.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:26 am

I for one won't be sorry to see him go.



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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:30 am

anything going to change after he hangs? don't think so, American's will still bring home soldiers in caskets, Iraqi's will still burry the dead from insurgent attacks, the cycle of violence will continue long after Saddam has swung from the gallows.
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
The Hague

International court
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 10):
anything going to change after he hangs? don't think so, American's will still bring home soldiers in caskets, Iraqi's will still burry the dead from insurgent attacks, the cycle of violence will continue long after Saddam has swung from the gallows.

Very true. Don't think anything will change...actually the killings and the bombings might actually increase. Saddam still has a lot of supporters, and they're vowing to increase their attacks etc..so yeah bye bye Saddam, but there won't be any decrease in the violence.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
Why would he be prosecuted there? Hernwasrncharged with killing Iraqi citizens. It should have been triedrnin Iraq.

You know there are some nations who still have some silly notion of "national soverignty"

I have to disagreed with you, since it was the Americans that removed him from power and not the Iraq people, and the puppet government of Iraq is the one that prosecuted him. The Hague would have been the proper venue, to allow for an unbiased trial.  twocents 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):
with be televised.

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edit: I meant in the audience

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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Soups (Reply 14):
George Bush 1st seat with a bucket of buttered pop corn

when's Bush due to hang?  Wink
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting Soups (Reply 11):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
The Hague

International court



Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):
I have to disagreed with you, since it was the Americans that removed him from power and not the Iraq people, and the puppet government of Iraq is the one that prosecuted him. The Hague would have been the proper venue, to allow for an unbiased trial.

First, we don't need this Kangaroo Court in The Hague sticking its nose into the business of trials in other nations'. Other nations are perfectly capable of handling their own trials.

Secondly, he's been charged with killing his own people. Why should that be tried in another nation, American invasion or not? It's an Iraqi affair, whether some internationalists like that or not. Let Iraq handle it. Even if Saddam was being tried, say, for killing Iranians, to me, he should then be tried in Iran, not The Hague.

The Hague court, to me, has absolutely no jurisdiction over anyone, and should be duly ignored by any nation with any national pride, or any interest in its own national soverignty.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 15):
when's Bush due to hang?

If he keeps up with the buttered popcorn the heart failure will beat him to it.
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:26 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

small print: lots of Iraqi civilians, too

My hope is they'll find some place safe, i.e. as far away as they possibly can get from Baghdad, but I expect another outburst of violence and possibly full-blown civil war in the aftermath. UH60FtRucker et al, stay safe!

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 15):
when's Bush due to hang?

If he keeps up with the buttered popcorn the heart failure will beat him to it.

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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
If he keeps up with the buttered popcorn the heart failure will beat him to it.

...and pretzels.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours  

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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Saddam won't see 2007.

Good

I for one am relieved that this barbaric individual is finally going to get what he deserves - his own death.

Nuff said
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:46 am

Ha looks like they could do my idea then!!

On the countdown for new year, have him in the rope, and on Happy pull the lever and watch him swing.

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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:46 am

i just love this from the guardian newspaper...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1979662,00.html

"Mr Bush had summoned his advisers to his ranch in Crawford, Texas - including Mr Cheney - yesterday to try to chart a new strategy for the war. The secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice; the defence secretary, Robert Gates; the national security adviser, Stephen Hadley; and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Peter Pace, also attended the meeting.

Mr Bush is expected to outline that plan in a speech early in the new year, amid speculation that he intends to send more troops to Iraq. He did not outline his intentions yesterday, saying only: "We're making good progress in coming up with a plan."

all this chimp ever does is talk..and most of it's shit and the same old crap that comes from his mouth, i can't wait to see the new plan for Iraq... Big grin
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting Femme (Reply 21):
I for one am relieved that this barbaric individual is finally going to get what he deserves - his own death.

yeah...that's all well and good but how many innocent people are now going to die because of this? hanging him WON'T solve any of the problems facing Iraq, more then likely amplify them 10 fold. When he's dead and burried the only people left to take responsibility for their actions and the cycle of violence are George Bush, Don Dumsfeld & Dick Cheney.
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:28 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 10):
anything going to change after he hangs? don't think so, American's will still bring home soldiers in caskets, Iraqi's will still burry the dead from insurgent attacks, the cycle of violence will continue long after Saddam has swung from the gallows.

According to this CNN article http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/28/hussein/index.html the Baath party warned that it would retaliate against the United States and its interests as well as against members of the Iraqi high tribunal if the execution is carried out.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:35 am

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 25):
According to this CNN article http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/28/hussein/index.html the Baath party warned that it would retaliate against the United States and its interests as well as against members of the Iraqi high tribunal if the execution is carried out.

we'll be back here within 72hrs of the execution reporting on the latest car bombing/cycle of violence...as i said, nothing changes, nor will it change anytime soon, well the death toll will continue to rise and that's about it. great way to ring in the new year...execution followed by more civilian deaths.
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:46 am

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 25):
According to this CNN article http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/28/hussein/index.html the Baath party warned that it would retaliate against the United States and its interests as well as against members of the Iraqi high tribunal if the execution is carried out.

It's either that or another group will retaliate against the United States and its interests as well as against members of the Iraqi high tribunal if the execution is NOT carried out.

So what's the point??

There is no, and there never will be, unilateral peace in the Middle East. With or without the help of the US, those people will fight and bomb each other until the end of time.

I'm not defending the US goverment - I lived in the Middle East for two years and really learned a lot about it. I cannot stand the fact that Bush thinks democracy will work wherever he wants it to. We cannot force our beliefs and way of life on others - it will NEVER WORK. I just wish Bush would realize this.

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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:08 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 7):
Presumably not your own, which invaded a sovereign nation on the basis of a lie or gross incompetence?

Your government is there too, so cut the "holier than thou" bullshit.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:43 pm

"So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye...

I hate to go, and leave this pretty sight...

So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, adieu...

adieu, adieu, to you and you and you...

If you guys want to come visit sometime, please look me up. I'll just be hangin' 'round Baghdad"

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On a serious note, get ready for a surge of violence.  Sad

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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:11 pm

Any comments from Saddam himself.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 30):
Any comments from Saddam himself

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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:41 pm

I think it will be a mistake, you will see huge protests, and I for one dont like their kind of protests over there.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:26 pm

CNN, MSNBC and other news outlets are reporting Saddam has been turned over to the Iraqi government, and his lawyers have been directed to pick up his personal effects.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:36 pm

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
Why wasn't he prosecuted in the Hague?

The court in the Hague offers public and fair trials, and doesn't deal out death sentences.
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:42 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 33):
CNN, MSNBC and other news outlets are reporting Saddam has been turned over to the Iraqi government, and his lawyers have been directed to pick up his personal effects.

Fox News just said that the Iraq government has said that he has not been turned over.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:59 pm

The problem is not so much that they are killing a man who is innocent, so much as a man who is "not guilty." I say that because I believe that that all people must be presumed "not guilty" until a fair and proper trial has said otherwise. The Saddam trial was farce. Falcon speaks of national sovreignity, but what about fundamental fairness? In the US, when the pool of jurors is tainted because a defendant's actions are infamous, we change the venue. That is why I don't think Iraq was a good place for the trial. That said, judges who openly commented against hussain remained on the bench, but one judge who was deemed lax was forced to resigned and another who made a pro-Saddam statement was also forced to resign. The judiciary was not impartial. Lastly, several of Saddam's lawyers were killed during the trial, ample reasons for a mistrail. The appeals court hardly adressed these major issues of due process. Thus, I cannot morally nor legally consider the verdict just and must continue to conider Saddam to be "not guilty" albiet probably "not innocent."
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:03 pm

There is only one practical reason for Hussein to hang at New Year 06/07, and that is to try to salvage some tiny little bit of moral authority for the plutocracy in Washington and London. But as can be predicted most people with any willingness to face the truth will see right through this stunt and it will be yet another pathetic spectacle proferred to the sheep to secure their support.

Who cares how many people die as a result? Its a prime media event! Justice never looked so sweet! Another triumph of the free world!

More hatred, more arms, more arms production, more militarisation, more lock-step stupidity, more money, more power, more death...

Yeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:18 pm

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
Why wasn't he prosecuted in the Hague?

because both the USA and the Iraqi government wanted the death penalty, while the International Court in DenHaag does NOT have the death penalty, neither the International War Crimes Tribunal of Mrs Carla Del Ponte. So that he in DenHaag would have got life-imprisonment. I suppose that Mrs Del Ponte would have advocated for life-imprisonment with parole after 25 years . And this was NOT to the taste of the US-Americans who wanted to see him hanged.
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
this Kangaroo Court in The Hague sticking its nose into the business of trials in other nations'.

First of all, deregatory words about the International Court are rubbish and not objective at all. Second, it is NOT a "Kangaroo Court" but a serious and good institution. Third it does NOT stick its nose into "other nations" as it is NOT a Dutch court but THE international court.
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International courts are established in order to have neutral and independent trials and to prevent revenge justice to take place. Exactly the kind of revenge justice you apparently so much love.
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Quoting Aloges (Reply 18):
as far away as they possibly can get from Baghdad

I might suggest New York or Washington/DC ?!
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:54 pm

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 29):
On a serious note, get ready for a surge of violence.

There have been many verdicts and court actions thru many places that were followed by acts of violence, like the LA riots after the Rodney King trial and the French riots last year. Should we not proceed with a verdict or not render justice on the belief that violence 'may' follow it?

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 38):
And this was NOT to the taste of the US-Americans who wanted to see him hanged

How much you want to bet that a majority of Iraqis would love to see him hang? You do not have to insert Americans into the equation.
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:07 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 39):
How much you want to bet that a majority of Iraqis would love to see him hang?

News reports yesterday spoke of hundreds of Iraqis volunteering to be the one to let the trapdoor on the gallows fly!
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):

Why would he be prosecuted there? He was charged with killing Iraqi citizens. It should have been tried in Iraq.



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
I'm not debating that, my friend. I'm debating the fact that this Iraqi government has every right to try and execute a criminal under their own laws. In this case, Baghdad, not The Hague, was the proper place to try Saddam Hussein.

I disagree, having the trial in Iraq, presided over by Iraqis and sentences passed and carried out by Iraqis is tantamount to revenge and nothing more.

How many civilised nations allow judgement, sentencing and punishment by the victims or people connected to the victims? Can you 100% absolutely guarantee that the judges and other court officials in this case were completely and utterly neutral? Can you say with complete certainty that Saddam received an unquestionably impartial trial?

I dont think anyone can. Theres no certainty of impartiality in this trial that exists in western courts.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):

Secondly, he's been charged with killing his own people. Why should that be tried in another nation,

Because there has to be absolutely and utterly and completely no doubt at all about this, there can be no questioning the trial or the sentence carried out, none at all. Thats why this should not have been done in Iraq - as it stands there are far too many ways to question the impartiality of the court and sentence. What happens if in 10 years time it is found that the Judge that found him guilty had family in that village?

Im all for punishing Saddam (and this sentence passed is the correct one), just lets ensure this is beyond all doubt. Do not give our ancestors any ability in any way to question this.

Yes, his victims didnt receive fair trials, and by going out of our way to provide him with a trial that is unquestionable removes us so far from him and highlights the vast gulf between him and us. It simply has to be done.
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:55 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 39):
And this was NOT to the taste of the US-Americans who wanted to see him hanged
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How much you want to bet that a majority of Iraqis would love to see him hang? You do not have to insert Americans into the equation.

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I clearly DID also mention the Iraqi government, and yes, many Iraqis for sure also want him executed. You see, had he REALLY been "handled" by a court of the region, without US-influence, he would have been hanged the next morning at 4am after the refusal of the appeal. So that we HAVE to "insert Americans into the equation" as the present arrangement really IS "US-style" .
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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 40):
News reports yesterday spoke of hundreds of Iraqis volunteering to be the one to let the trapdoor on the gallows fly!

the execution has to be done "publicly" as otherwise there would be rumours about him being still alive within hours. And that film-coverage will be a top-selling bestseller video in Iraq, that is undeniable !
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:12 pm

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 29):
I'll just be hangin' 'round Baghdad"

Signed,
Saddam Hussein

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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 31):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 30):
Any comments from Saddam himself

"I am the President of Iraq"

Any "new" comments by Saddam  Smile
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting Joni (Reply 34):
The court in the Hague offers public and fair trials, and doesn't deal out death sentences.

Too bad. The Hague doesn't have jurisdiction over crimes committed in Iraq by an Iraqi national. End of story. As for the bleeding heart about no death sentence, in this case, the death sentence is justified.

I'm against the death sentence in most cases, but I'm not an absolutist, either, and there are cases, such as mass-murder, it is warrented.

I suppose you think Hitler should have gotten a life sentence, too.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 38):
I suppose that Mrs Del Ponte would have advocated for life-imprisonment with parole after 25 years .

Which would have been an absolute joke.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 38):
First of all, deregatory words about the International Court are rubbish and not objective at all.

It's not meant to be objective. I think it violates the soverignty of nations, and should be ignored by all nations.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 41):
I disagree, having the trial in Iraq, presided over by Iraqis and sentences passed and carried out by Iraqis is tantamount to revenge and nothing more.

Then let's just try everything in the Hague, shall we?

Look, I know many Euro's abandoned much of their soverignty when going to the European Union, but much of the world still values the integrigy of their nationhood. This didn't belong in the Hague. It was a crime commited in Iraq, against Iraqi citizens, by a citizen of Iraq. What the frack should a court in a foreign nation have to do with that?

Incredible.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 45):

Then let's just try everything in the Hague, shall we?

I dont care where its done, it just has to be unquestionable. This is far from unquestionable.

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Look, I know many Euro's abandoned much of their soverignty when going to the European Union, but much of the world still values the integrigy of their nationhood.

Funny that, the ICC has a 104 signature countries, and a further 35 countries about to ratify.

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This didn't belong in the Hague. It was a crime commited in Iraq, against Iraqi citizens, by a citizen of Iraq. What the frack should a court in a foreign nation have to do with that?

As I said, I dont care where its done, just that whereever that is is unquestionably impartial and beyond doubt.

Precisely because this was a crime against Iraqi citizens and the country, the court should not have been Iraqi in origin - theres absolutely no way at all you can guarantee the impartiality of those people trying Saddam.
 
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 46):
I dont care where its done, it just has to be unquestionable. This is far from unquestionable.

What's "unquestionable" about it, RP? It was done according to Iraqi law. The sentence to be carried out is in accordance to their law. Or, is it the fact they use the death sentence, and you personally don't like that? Well, in either case, it's too bad. I don't want national jurisdiction ceeded to some Circus court in The Hague, or anywhere else. It belonged in Iraq, and that's where the case was tried.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 46):
Funny that, the ICC has a 104 signature countries, and a further 35 countries about to ratify.

I don't care. If they want to ceede their soverignty, that's their problem. Because that's what this court does-takes away soverignty from nations.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 46):
Precisely because this was a crime against Iraqi citizens and the country, the court should not have been Iraqi in origin - theres absolutely no way at all you can guarantee the impartiality of those people trying Saddam.

Sorry, but that's the most assinine thing I've ever read on this subject. Just simply dumb. Again, sorry, but that's the way I see it. Like I said, if you feel that way, then every case in the world should be tried in The Hague.

Incredible.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:53 am

Just went on CNN at 1152 Eastern time, and they're reporting now that Saddam has been handed over by the U.S. to Iraqi authorities.

And, now, we can begin the countdown to this brutal individual's passing.
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RE: Sadam To Die Within Next 36 Hours

Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:15 am

Just wonder, with this execution his many other crimes will remain unsolved and untried.
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