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MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:48 am

These three motorcoach builder, seems to be the largest motorcoach builder for the US. Witch one builds the better motorcoach (bus), when it comes to strength and speed? I know MCI was own by Greyhound for a long time, so they should be very well built. So who build the best motor coach for the US?
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:52 am

Even though i'm still a Crown Super Coach lover, i would guess Prevost are the best motor coaches. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:48 am

Don't forget Setra. They are a new player in the North American market but offer a fantastic product. The styling of these coaches is very modern and the driver's compartment is very spacious and comfortable. That being said, they are not yet one of the major players. Here, in Ontario, MCI is the most common coach, with Prevost being second.

Having driven both, unfortunately both older models, I found the H3-45 to be much more comfortable from a driver's view point. As a passenger I found they were pretty much equal.

Overall, I would say the Prevost, although I've become more and more fond of the new D4505 that I've seen Greyhound Canada Lines operating (12XX buses).


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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:49 am

Obviously I'll go for Van Hool, them being Belgian and all  Wink

T9 standard touring coach:
http://www.bussbilder.se/images/VH_Altano_PAM_1S.jpg

C2045, designed specifically for the American market, with emphasis on strength and durability. Since its introduction in 2000, it's been the most popular imported coach in the US, outselling all other imported coached combined!



And, as a little teaser, you'll soon be seeing the first double-decker Van Hool coaches in the US. Here's the European model:



Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 2):
Don't forget Setra. They are a new player in the North American market

Setra aren't new in North America. I already saw several of them in the US back in 1996.
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:18 am

Personally. I think MCI's D4505/4605 are sharp looking buses; with MCI reputation for quality, that who my money would be on.
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 1):
Even though i'm still a Crown Super Coach lover, i would guess Prevost are the best motor coaches. Robert NWDC10

You can not beat the sound of a Cumming powered Crown Super Coach. The tandem ( 3 axle) Crown Super Coach in Los Angele Unified School District fleet had Cumming engines, and boy, when they past you on the street, you would think a truck size Harley Davidson just past you.
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 5):
You can not beat the sound of a Cumming powered Crown Super Coach.

That would be something to see! All those squishing sounds...

I like the VanHool doubles. The first one I saw in the USA had German number plates. It was a group of Germans en route to Minneapolis via Russia, Alaska, Canada, and the lower states.

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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:58 am

I am slowly starting to take an intrest in buses.

I vote MCI for long distance transit buses (GO), Prevost for charter/coach travel (Can-Ar, Canada Coach) and Van Hool for regular transit (take our VIVA system for example. We use 40 ft. A330s and 60 ft. articulated AG300s)

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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 5):
You can not beat the sound of a Cumming powered Crown Super Coach. The tandem ( 3 axle) Crown Super Coach in Los Angele Unified School District fleet had Cumming engines, and boy, when they past you on the street, you would think a truck size Harley Davidson just past you.

I still LOVE the sound of the Detroit 671 Turbo Diesel on Crowns the best. My home town only bought Crowns with Detroit and Cummins Turbo Diesels. I love Detroit Turbo Diesel the best. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:12 pm

I've been on the MCI ones and the VanHool too. I like the van Hool ones because of the push button door opening systems not like some of the older MCI ones. I can't wait to ride on a VanHool double decker bus once they are here in the USA.

What about transit buses? I like the Nova Bus that we use in Chicago. What about the other cities that have this one too?
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:24 pm

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 2):
Don't forget Setra. They are a new player in the North American market but offer a fantastic product. The styling of these coaches is very modern and the driver's compartment is very spacious and comfortable. That being said, they are not yet one of the major players. Here, in Ontario, MCI is the most common coach, with Prevost being second.

Having driven both, unfortunately both older models, I found the H3-45 to be much more comfortable from a driver's view point. As a passenger I found they were pretty much equal.

Overall, I would say the Prevost, although I've become more and more fond of the new D4505 that I've seen Greyhound Canada Lines operating (12XX buses).


Mark

The Setra S-418 is a beautyful work of art. The H3-40,41,45 , H5-60 and S-418 are road monsters. At 12 feet tall, they are the biggest single deck motorcoaches in the US. The new D4505 is beautyful inside also, with there flat screen TV. Who ever thought putting a G4500 nose and a J4500 front roof would trun a the good old 102 DL3 into a new design.

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 2):
And, as a little teaser, you'll soon be seeing the first double-decker Van Hool coaches in the US. Here's the European model:


When! It would be nice to see another double-deck motorcoach other than Neoplan N-122 Skyliners in the US.

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 8):
I still LOVE the sound of the Detroit 671 Turbo Diesel on Crowns the best. My home town only bought Crowns with Detroit and Cummins Turbo Diesels. I love Detroit Turbo Diesel the best. Robert NWDC10

But that cumming got that deep base sound that can not be beat.:D What school district did you guys buy them from. Crown Super Coaches was for the most part , mainly in California School district. To bad the Crown Company went out of bussiness, because they build the storngest school buses ever to be built.
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:29 am

My home town is Wenatchee, Wa. They only bought Crowns. Remember the Hall-Scott Engines? They park their milti-million dollar fleet in a nice bus garage. It's a long building with individual garage doors on each side. I too am sad Crowns aren't made. The were the very best school busses ever made with higher than government safety standards. The last 2 40-foot Crowns Wenatchee bought were $124,000/each but they last forever. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:39 pm

I love the sound our Viva AG300s make when they have to slow down fast. Its like a "Wheeeeeeenswwooosh!".
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:52 pm

Van Hool for the same reason JAGflyer stated, the accordion buses that VIVA uses, I'm not much of a bus guy myself, but I do love those buses!
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 12):
I love the sound our Viva AG300s make when they have to slow down fast. Its like a "Wheeeeeeenswwooosh!".

I like it when all buses do that when they start. I've been on a few VanHools that would do that but it's just been the transit buses I've heard do that now. What kind of starter system do they have when they do that? Diesel starter?
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 10):
When! It would be nice to see another double-deck motorcoach other than Neoplan N-122 Skyliners in the US.

Well, the prototype (i.e. the first 'Americanised' double-decker) is moving down the production line as we speak. That is, according to my brother, who works at Van Hool.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 13):
Van Hool for the same reason JAGflyer stated, the accordion buses that VIVA uses, I'm not much of a bus guy myself, but I do love those buses!

If you like the AG300, you'd probably love the AGG300:


 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 15):
Well, the prototype (i.e. the first 'Americanised' double-decker) is moving down the production line as we speak. That is, according to my brother, who works at Van Hool.

Will it have a Detroit Diesel 60 or a brand new engine?
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:01 am

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 16):
Will it have a Detroit Diesel 60 or a brand new engine?

I'll be sure to ask him when I get the chance. Seeing as how he installs the engines, he should know or be able to find out...
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
Setra aren't new in North America. I already saw several of them in the US back in 1996.

You're right. My mistake. What I meant was that they haven't been major players, such as Prevost and MCI, especially in Canada.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 5):
You can not beat the sound of a Cumming powered Crown Super Coach. The tandem ( 3 axle) Crown Super Coach in Los Angele Unified School District fleet had Cumming engines, and boy, when they past you on the street, you would think a truck size Harley Davidson just past you.

Unless there is a brand Cumming, that I don't know about, I believe you're referring to Cummins.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 7):
I am slowly starting to take an intrest in buses.

Good choice my son.

Quoting CcrlR (Reply 9):
What about transit buses? I like the Nova Bus that we use in Chicago. What about the other cities that have this one too?

The system that I work for has began to exclusively purchase buses from NovaBus. We've found them to be very reliable, driver and passenger friendly, as well as offering us the cheapest price when we set out a tender.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 12):
I love the sound our Viva AG300s make when they have to slow down fast. Its like a "Wheeeeeeenswwooosh!".

Thats the retarder system. I beleive its an Allison World Transmission that they use in the AG300.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 13):
Van Hool for the same reason JAGflyer stated, the accordion buses that VIVA uses, I'm not much of a bus guy myself, but I do love those buses!

They're called "Artics" or articulated buses.


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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:46 am

On the articulated buses, I have noticed that the engine is in the rear or trailer section, but which section has the drive wheels.

Also last month I was in Las Vegas and they are using double decker buses for the Las Vegas Blvd. Run, they call this run the “Deuce”. I don’t know the manufacturer of the buses because almost all of them are covered entirely with the overlay type ads.
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 19):
On the articulated buses, I have noticed that the engine is in the rear or trailer section, but which section has the drive wheels.

Its not always in the rear. On a New Flyer D60LF, yes, it is in the rear. On the VanHool AG300 the engine is located on the driver side, in the middle of the first section. On this particular bus, the drive wheels are the set of duals in the front section. This type of configuration is called a "Puller" as it pulls the trailer.

I'm not sure of any late models, but older model buses used to be configured with the trailer wheel acting as the drive wheels. This is called a "Pusher" as the trailer pushes the whole bus along. As with a rear wheel drive vehicle, they're not very good in the snow. There are pictures of artics in Ottawa bent in the middle and not able to move because of the snow. I could be wrong, but I think their current D60LFs are pushers.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 19):
Also last month I was in Las Vegas and they are using double decker buses for the Las Vegas Blvd. Run, they call this run the “Deuce”. I don’t know the manufacturer of the buses because almost all of them are covered entirely with the overlay type ads.

I think those would be the Alexander Dennis Enviro 500. It looks like this:

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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:20 am

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 20):
Quoting Jetstar (Reply 19):
Also last month I was in Las Vegas and they are using double decker buses for the Las Vegas Blvd. Run, they call this run the “Deuce”. I don’t know the manufacturer of the buses because almost all of them are covered entirely with the overlay type ads.

I think those would be the Alexander Dennis Enviro 500. It looks like this:

Is the Citizens Area Transit using these or another company there?
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:26 am

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 20):
I'm not sure of any late models, but older model buses used to be configured with the trailer wheel acting as the drive wheels. This is called a "Pusher" as the trailer pushes the whole bus along. As with a rear wheel drive vehicle, they're not very good in the snow. There are pictures of artics in Ottawa bent in the middle and not able to move because of the snow. I could be wrong, but I think their current D60LFs are pushers.

I would think this is a very poor design, especially for bus operators in the northern climate areas. I know the New York City operates a lot of the articulated buses and I could imagine the problems they have with jackknifing in slippery conditions, especially in tight turns.

I will be in Las Vegas in late February on business and I hope to ride the deuce double decker bus. I can imagine the view from the upper front seats would be great, considering that you don’t have to pay attention to traffic like when driving a car on the strip.

I always liked all forms of transportation, airplanes, trains, buses and ships. In the early 1960’s my parents and myself went to Los Angles to visit relatives. While my parents flew out on American from New York, I decided to take a Continental Trailways Silver Eagle bus to LA and back. I got to see America from the ground and met interesting people. Only 3 other passengers stayed on the bus for the entire trip going out and I was the only one on the return trip who went the entire distance. It took 3 and a half days each way and over 40 years later it still brings back memories.

My next ground travel adventure is to take Amtrak’s Auto Train to Florida in early April so I will be able to experience long distance train travel.
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:48 pm

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 22):
I always liked all forms of transportation, airplanes, trains, buses and ships.

I am the same way. If it move people and has a motor, it is a good chance that I will like it!:D
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 19):
"Deuce".

They cost $650k a piece. RTC (Regional Transportation Commission of Southern Nevada) placed an original order of 35. They entered revenue service in November 2005.

The LV Strip is one of the few public transit routes in the country that makes money - and lots of $$$ it does. (transit routes rely on public funds) Fares are $2 o/w, $5/24hrs --- multiply that by the reported ridership figure exceeding five digits daily (significantly higher during large conventions and uber busy periods like Super Bowl Weekend).

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 20):
I think those would be the Alexander Dennis

Alexander Dennis it is.

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 20):
Enviro 500.

So thats the Model name - Enviro 500? Don't see anything "enviro" about a fossil fuel powered vehicle.

BTW, Mark, do you know where those specific buses were manufactured? It'd be one heck of a sight to see them migrated (as in going down a rural highway)

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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:01 pm

So thats what that big "block" on the driver side of the AG300 is for. I thought it was a storage compartment or something. Its directly opposite the 2nd door (the last door being at the rear of the articulated trailer)
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 24):
BTW, Mark, do you know where those specific buses were manufactured? It'd be one heck of a sight to see them migrated (as in going down a rural highway)

Alexander Dennis buses are manufactued in Scotland. For those in Canada who are interested, GO Transit who operate in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) have recently purchased 14 of these.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 24):
So thats the Model name - Enviro 500? Don't see anything "enviro" about a fossil fuel powered vehicle.

I suppose you're right, however the Enviro part is that it carries as many passengers as it does (100), while burning the same or similar amount of fuel as most late model buses.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 25):
So thats what that big "block" on the driver side of the AG300 is for. I thought it was a storage compartment or something. Its directly opposite the 2nd door (the last door being at the rear of the articulated trailer)

Yes sir. The big block that tapers up into a smaller block is the enine and exhaust portion. These buses are pullers. Even the 40 foot unit has the engine in the same position. I'll let you know when the next transit expo is in Toronto. You might care to go.

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Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting CcrlR (Reply 21):
Is the Citizens Area Transit using these or another company there?

I believe CAT is operating the Duece on the Las Vegas Strip, I didn’t see any other markings on the buses,

Previously to the double decker buses on the strip, CAT used the articulated buses. I rode them a few times and they were almost always packed. I have seen the articulated buses to other routes in Las Vegas, so I assume they moved them over to these routes.

Is the capacity of the double decker buses more than the articulated buses?

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 24):
The LV Strip is one of the few public transit routes in the country that makes money - and lots of $$$ it does.

I agree, just look at the difference between the Duece and the monorail, the Duece is jam packed and the monorail cannot get enough passengers to cover its expenses. From the time they first planned the monorail I thought its location was not in the most desirable location, they should have run it down the center of Las Vegas Blvd so it could serve all the hotels on the strip. This would have reduced some of the traffic on the strip, which has become a parking lot on weekends and holidays because of the traffic.
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 27):
Is the capacity of the double decker buses more than the articulated buses?

A standard New Flyer D60LF (Articulated) carries up to 120 passengers, with a little over half of them seated.

An Alexander Dennis Enviro 500 (Double Deck) carries approximately 100 passengers, with aprrox. 70 seated passengers.

The tradeoff with the double decker, is that it can not go everywhere as easily as an articulated bus, because of its height (14ft).

That being said, an atriculated bus encounters problems at stops and terminals, as the boardwalks need to be made longer, and I believe a "pull through" type stop needs to be in place rather than one that you drive in and then back out of.

I think the biggest advantage with a 60 foot articulated over a double decker, aside from the seating capacity, they have an easier time maneuvering, as the wheelbase is shorter, and boarding and alighting is done considerably faster, as you don't have to wait for people to go up and down the stairs. In an ideal world, people would come down the steps 1 stop ahead and be ready to alight ahead of time, but we all know the world isn't perfect, which in my opinion gives a big advantage to the artic.

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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:54 am

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 27):
I agree, just look at the difference between the Duece and the monorail, the Duece is jam packed and the monorail cannot get enough passengers to cover its expenses.

Yeah but the monorail costs $5 for a single journey! whereas The Deuce costs $2 or $5 for a day pass. And like they said before the location of the monorail is not the most accessible.

I agree, traffic on the Strip is Horrible! it took us like 2 hours to get from the Downtown (near Fremont street) to our hotel (MGM) I think it was on December 24th.

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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:20 am

Van Hool gets my vote. I traveled on various trips in Europe on them.

I hate the MCI buses, and have never been on a Prevost or a Setra. EOS buses are the best I've been on in Europe though.

BTW I hate riding on school buses at air shows, and hate them on the road!
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 30):
EOS buses are the best I've been on in Europe though.

Eos Coach is a 100% Van Hool subsidiary. The company started out as LAG, small Belgian manufacturer, until they were taken over by Van Hool in the late 1980s / early 1990s. Company name was at that point changed to Eos Coach.

For 747400sp: the double-decker prototype has a Cummins engine, not a Detroit Diesel.
 
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:07 pm

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 26):
Alexander Dennis buses are manufactued in Scotland

So it would've been a hell of migration. If final Assembly was in Scotland, they must have been loaded and unloaded, then driven to LAS. Wonder if they went to Long Beach (shortest drive to port, would require a Panamax ship, tho) or Savannah or some other eastern port and driven cross country.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 27):

I believe CAT is operating the Duece on the Las Vegas Strip, I didn't see any other markings on the buses,

Previously to the double decker buses on the strip, CAT used the articulated buses. I rode them a few times and they were almost always packed. I have seen the articulated buses to other routes in Las Vegas, so I assume they moved them over to these routes.

CAT (Citizens Area Transit) is owned by RTC (Regional Transportation Commission) of Southern Nevada. CAT operates most transit routes/vehicles in the valley. RTC uses a variation of CAT to operate the Douche. Something about trying to screw the unions.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 27):
From the time they first planned the monorail I thought its location was not in the most desirable location, they should have run it down the center of Las Vegas Blvd so it could serve all the hotels on the strip. This would have reduced some of the traffic on the strip, which has become a parking lot on weekends and holidays because of the traffic.

The reason the monoscam is not run down LVBS is most likely the Boulevard is designated a National Scenic Byway north of the sign to Sahara Avenue (the demark between incorporated and unincorporated Vegas). Federal funds keep that esplanade so bountifully landscaped. The battle to designate LVB north of Sahara to Fremont a National Scenic Byway is well underway and that stretch will spruce up in a few years.
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RE: MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool

Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:54 am

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 27):

Previously to the double decker buses on the strip, CAT used the articulated buses. I rode them a few times and they were almost always packed. I have seen the articulated buses to other routes in Las Vegas, so I assume they moved them over to these routes

I remember riding on those. They were nice and I liked the three door design but were too long for some routes(they only used them on the 301 and 302). We have some NABI buses here that are long but are only used on certain routes. The CTA Chicago Transit Authority just bought some small opus buses for the narrow streets. They are way shorter than a standard bus and are low floor too. They are for the narrow streets that the low floor buses cannot go through like the Nova Bus. Too bad Chicago cannot use the double decker buses.

I am watching this show called How It's Made(I know it is shown here in the USA and Canada) and they are showing how they manufacture a bus These are the Nova Buses that they are manufacturing.
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Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos