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The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:29 am

All major news networks are covering the State Funeral of President Gerald R. Ford, which is commencing with the Andrews Air Force Base Arrival Ceremony. The Vice President and many other high-ranking government officials along with a ceremonial honor guard are standing at attention as the casket containing the body of President Ford is being transported from the aircraft referred to as Air Force Special Air Mission 29000 to the hearse it will take to Washington, D.C.

The occasion is a most solemn one.

It is a day for remembrance.

Speaking personally, I feel a great degree of sadness that one of America's leading personages has left us. I am certain I am not alone.

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:43 am

A 21-gun salute is continuing as "Hail to the Chief" has just concluded.

Mrs. Ford is in attendance, and now "My Country 'Tis of Thee", in a slow, dirge-like rhythm, is playing.

The casket is preceded by the United States flag as it is brought before the assembled audience toward its destination.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:06 am

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:09 am

Anyone else find it extremely odd, if not completely disrespectful that our current President chose to remain at the Crawford Ranch rather than attend the State funeral of a former President?
 
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 4):
Anyone else find it extremely odd, if not completely disrespectful that our current President chose to remain at the Crawford Ranch rather than attend the State funeral of a former President?

The funeral is not until tuesday (?) and I'm sure Bush will be there along with Bush the first, Carter, and Clinton.

Having the sitting President participate in the ceremonies we are seeing tonight would only distract from the deceased and family IMHO.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 5):
Having the sitting President participate in the ceremonies we are seeing tonight would only distract from the deceased and family IMHO.

I am fairly certain President Bush attended former President Reagan's State Funeral which is why I found it odd he is not in attendance tonight.
 
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:38 am

This occasion is marked with quiet dignity and majesty. Such ceremonies are some of the few in all the world in which all in attendance appear at their best and, by paying their respects, garner respect for themselves.

Mrs. Ford and remaining members of the large and prosperous Ford family are witness to this solemn event.

Members of the top echelon of all our government branches are present, with the exception of President Bush, who will pay his respects early next week. The Vice President and President of the United States Senate, Mr. Richard Cheney; the Speaker of the House; the leaders of the incoming minority in Congress; the Chief and Associate Justices of the United States Supreme Court; and many other luminaries, are in observance.

Only the funeral of a former President could bring together such leaders of our nation.

It is reported that the military guard in service of the funeral includes some of the most highly decorated soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines to have returned from our recent wars. In their classic and flawless bearing, but even more in the record of their dedication of their lives to the United States, they bring honor to this nation and the President.

Our current President said it well during his radio speech today in praising President Ford. The ceremonies today at the Capitol, at the World War II Memorial, and elsewhere in our capital city, and throughout this weekend and New Year's Day, will set an appropriate tableau for President Bush when he gives his official address on the official national day of mourning this Tuesday.

We will always remember President Ford for his long lifetime of public service to our nation. I, personally, remember President Ford and will never forget the honor of meeting him.

God bless the late Mr. Ford and his family, and God bless America.

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 6):
I am fairly certain President Bush attended former President Reagan's State Funeral which is why I found it odd he is not in attendance tonight.

Well, like I said in the previous post the funeral is not for a couple of days.

I think what would be odd is if any one of the current or living past Presidents were not in attendance at the funeral -- not likely that will happen.

Remember Ford is just lying in State at the moment.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 6):
I am fairly certain President Bush attended former President Reagan's State Funeral which is why I found it odd he is not in attendance tonight.

It occurs to me that you might be referring to Bush Jr paying his respects to Reagan while Reagan was lying in State -- I recall that as well, and I'm sure Bush will do that sometime over the next couple of days.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:54 am

A mourner^1 collapsed during the ceremony and has received assistance. The television networks were asked to respect the privacy of that mourner and live coverage for a time focused on the casket, attended by an honor guard.

Hundreds of members of official Washington remain at attention.

The ceremony now continues.
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1. The mourner is identified as William Broomfield, a former Congressman from Michigan. (Information on Mr. Broomfield:
http://www.answers.com/topic/william-broomfield.)

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 8):
Well, like I said in the previous post the funeral is not for a couple of days.

I understand that but you also said that having the sitting President participate in the ceremonies we are seeing tonight would only distract from the deceased and family. My question is, why would Bush attend the State Funeral of former President Reagan but not the State Funeral of former President Ford?
 
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:04 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 11):
I understand that but you also said that having the sitting President participate in the ceremonies we are seeing tonight would only distract from the deceased and family.

That's just my opinion.... Most of the people attending tonight appear to be friends, coworkers, and staff members from his administration

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 11):
My question is, why would Bush attend the State Funeral of former President Reagan but not the State Funeral of former President Ford?

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Sorry -- I'm not understanding your question. I'm quite sure Bush Jr will attend the services on tuesday just as I'm sure he will pay his respects at the Capitol while Ford is lying in State.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:10 am

I have always had respect for President Ford; I remember well the entire era of turmoil and think he did a very professional-profile presentation while in office to help smooth over a distinct problematic time in this country.

Internally, however, I question a few things that are in the back of my now somewhat (but not totally) dead cells...

Number one: Why non-stop coverage of six (SIX) days for the funeral procedings an accidental, non-voted, "24-hour" president that could not on even his then-performance be elected when time came by.

And number two: Why are all these clowns, reps and dems, preaching to the nation that Gerald Ford was the greatest political thing since sliced bread and it's sad to see him go, when THEY are the very sons-of-bitches that not believe one damn thing they are saying, because if they did, the nation wouldn't be as screwed up as it is.

Cynicism, hypocrasy and yes, blasphemy. How dare these dolts.

RIP, Gerald Ford. You have my respects; but these assholes on TV extolling your virtues are are but flim-flam men.

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:23 am

ItsJustme, this is not the state funeral. That will be next week, this service is just to place his body in repose at the capitol building.
I sure that Bush Sr and Jr will be in attendance at the state funeral next week, and yes, he did stop at the rotunda for Reagan before the state funeral, I'm certain he will do so when he arrives back in Washington next week.
 
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
ItsJustme, this is not the state funeral.

OK, then that is where I am confused. Each of the major news channels, CNN, MSNCB, ABC, etc... are all referring to tonight's proceedings as "The State Funeral" for former President Ford.
 
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:31 am

All i'll say is...

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:35 am

Well I certainly respect the man, and what he accomplished. I respect our country, even...


But do we need a play by play of his funeral?
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 16):
As did I. First it was Ted Stevens who, for a Senator, has to be one of the worst public speakers I've ever seen. And then it was Cheney's turn.

I thought that the Vice President's speech was an excellent one. Interestingly, so did a reporter and commentator for CBS News. I believe it was Bob Schieffer, during live coverage.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 19):
Well I certainly respect the man, and what he accomplished. I respect our country, even...

But do we need a play by play of his funeral?

I think that it's worthy of a commentary thread. After all, how often do we sing the praises of great men?

My personal belief is that the media are far too eager to bring down those of accomplishment; it is up to us, as ordinary people, to endorse examples of those we find have lived nearly exemplary lives. It is done, I think, all too rarely.

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 21):
I think that it's worthy of a commentary thread. After all, how often do we sing the praises of great men?

Well, like I said. I think you're goin a little over the top here. Show your respects by observing his service. But does the airliners.net community need a running comentary on a funeral? It just seems maybe a little disrespectful to me, honestly.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 22):
Well, like I said. I think you're goin a little over the top here. Show your respects by observing his service. But does the airliners.net community need a running comentary on a funeral? It just seems maybe a little disrespectful to me, honestly.

Although I strongly disagree, I will keep your comments in mind, S12PPL. Thank you.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:55 am

Was Ted Stevens drunk? Really pathetic, almost disrespectful to appear so unprepared.

Dick Cheney may be the best public speaker of recent years. I've thought so since Desert Storm. What a shame there is no integrity behind the ability.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 21):
I think that it's worthy of a commentary thread.

I don't. If we were THAT interested we'd just watch the effing coverage ourselves.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 21):
I think that it's worthy of a commentary thread. After all, how often do we sing the praises of great men?

When Clinton croaks, I fully expect a play by play.


In the mean time, James Brown's funeral was a lot more kickin'. I think it's the only funeral on television that I can remember that was greatly enhanced by subwoofers.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:02 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 25):
I don't. If we were THAT interested we'd just watch the effing coverage ourselves.

Well Ted, you chose not to watch the TV coverage - perhaps you should exercise that same right to choose with regard to this thread.
 
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 26):
When Clinton croaks, I fully expect a play by play.

I wouldn't be averse to it. I might disagree with President Clinton on a wide variety of matters, but this doesn't lessen my respect for the fact that he was, indeed, President. I believe I would act accordingly.

At any rate, the question appears moot, because President Clinton appears hale and healthy despite his recent surgery. I believe, or at least, I hope, he will remain with us for many years to come.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 27):
perhaps you should exercise that same right to choose with regard to this thread.

And the author could exercise the same right NOT to start a thread, with a play by play for a FUNERAL. Sorry, but that is flat out dis-respectful to me. How would you feel if someone was doing a play by play of a dead loved one?

"And here comes the family. They look terribly upset. Yes, the mother is crying, as is the widow. And here comes the close friends, and extended family. Oh, look at the outfit being worn today by Mrs. Johnson. A very well thought out outfit for this type of service..."


Sorry...I think it's over the top to do a running comentary of a funeral.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 27):
Well Ted, you chose not to watch the TV coverage - perhaps you should exercise that same right to choose with regard to this thread.

Well said, in my view.

There are those who disagree with me whose advice I believe I should offer a modicum of respect, regardless of disagreement, and those, on the other hand, whose words, in the way they are offered, suggest to me that I should not. It is difficult not to notice the difference.

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:14 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 29):
Sorry...I think it's over the top to do a running comentary of a funeral.

In some ways, coverage of the funeral itself, and various commentary by the media, would be no less disrespectful. It depends, obviously, on what commentary is being offered.

If you suggest that, in the age of the Internet, none of us should express ongoing sentiments on what is occurring despite the fact that it is witnessed by millions, I believe that you are quite wrong. The purpose of a funeral is twofold: To mark the passage of a life, and to offer one's remembrances and observations on a life well lived. There is nothing about an ongoing commentary thread, in any commentary that is appropriate and that does not intefere with the rights of others to remember the deceased, that detracts whatsoever from these objectives.

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 14):
Internally, however, I question a few things that are in the back of my now somewhat (but not totally) dead cells...

Number one: Why non-stop coverage of six (SIX) days for the funeral procedings an accidental, non-voted, "24-hour" president that could not on even his then-performance be elected when time came by.

And number two: Why are all these clowns, reps and dems, preaching to the nation that Gerald Ford was the greatest political thing since sliced bread and it's sad to see him go, when THEY are the very sons-of-bitches that not believe one damn thing they are saying, because if they did, the nation wouldn't be as screwed up as it is.

Cynicism, hypocrasy and yes, blasphemy. How dare these dolts.

RIP, Gerald Ford. You have my respects; but these assholes on TV extolling your virtues are are but flim-flam men.

100% in total agreement! This coverage is completely wantonly over the top and beyond what's necessary.. given who it's for. It's now proven that the press will say 'ANYTHING'..and unfortunately, the uninformed will believe it to be to be fact.

What's worse is Ford's admission to Bob Woodward (posthumously) that he was Nixon's only friend and that he extended 'the pardon' to Nixon because 'he was his friend'...which is the WORST reason he should disclose.

The press' constant 'He lead us thru a difficult period' is Grade-A Horsesh*t! He didn't lead 'us' thru anything..he did lead Nixon out of 'the land of sleepless nights' worrying about a jail cell. The Nixon scandals were of his own making..not that of the Nation. It was a political crime solved by political intervention...period. AKA a 'quid quo pro...' the nation lost nor gained a single thing from Ford's actions..just cheated out getting to a truth--a truth that might have been therapuetic for a nation in need of catharsis of it's political being. Instead, it took a GIANT feel good Exstacy tab (the Pardon) and our the pain was gone.

The press..jeez, they're acting like Lincoln himself just passed. Sorry, Gerry's kicked it.. but this is insulting to those who lived thru the era...and 'atrocious negligence' to an audience too young and unaware of the truth.


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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 32):
What's worse is Ford's admission to Bob Woodward (posthumously) that he was Nixon's only friend and that he extended 'the pardon' to Nixon because 'he was his friend'...which is the WORST reason he should disclose.

While I've seen references to the allegation that President Ford believed himself to be President Nixon's only friend, I don't believe I've ever seen his statements to Woodward reported in precisely you've mentioned -- and particular not the last part, which I haven't seen reported at all.

Even if it was said that he pardoned President Nixon in part because of friendship, this does not mean that the more important reason was not that it saved the nation from a most difficult impeachment and trial.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 32):
The press..jeez, they're acting like Lincoln himself just passed. Sorry, Gerry's kicked it.. but this is insulting to those who lived thru the era...and 'atrocious negligence' to an audience too young and unaware of the truth.

Speaking personally, I remember the Ford Administration. Further, I remember the Nixon Administration and the Watergate scandal, though I was very young at the time. I doubt very much that anyone is "fooled" in the manner you claim, but I can certainly say that I wasn't, not the least because the implication that President Ford did what he did for ulterior motives lacks factual support.

I very much question any blind adherence to the belief that the Nixon-haters of that period were right and that America was denied justice when President Nixon was pardoned. America may have been denied vengeance, but the same is not a praiseworthy quality of justice. The quality of justice is better found in a recognition of its context, and in mercy and in other facets too often invisible to the obsessed.

You speak of the truth; my perception of the truth is that Richard Nixon was hated by much of the press, that he was persecuted by much of the left, whom he greatly disliked, and that, because of the efforts of those who forced America to leave our commitments in Vietnam, millions were condemned to death or oppression because the media, in its "infinite" wisdom, believed America's involvement to be inimical to what the media itself believed to be right.

Was Richard Nixon right in everything he did? Of course not. No President ever is. But to those of the Watergate generation still bitter that President Nixon was pardoned: It's time to stop worshipping at the altar of Woodward and Bernstein and treat the latter's own investigative motives, and those they shared with others, with the same tenacity, doggedness, and single-mindedness that they seem to believe is their right, and theirs alone. It's time to start applying the same standards of rectitude and cynicism to the media that the media believes should be cast against government, and particular those in government whom the most influential of them openly hate.

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington,

Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:19 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 33):

While I've seen references to the allegation that President Ford believed himself to be President Nixon's only friend, I don't believe I've ever seen his statements to Woodward reported in precisely you've mentioned -- and particular not the last part, which I haven't seen reported at all.

Even if it was said that he pardoned President Nixon in part because of friendship, this does not mean that the more important reason was not that it saved the nation from a most difficult impeachment and trial.

I heard all the same news broadcast about Ford posthumous comments..then came the 'my friend' revelations on ABC News (tonight)..I'm sure if you have have ABC News Now (the 24 hour ABC News broadcast channel) you'll hear the comments yourself.

As for Nixon debates, another day..another thread.

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 34):
I heard all the same news broadcast about Ford posthumous comments..then came the 'my friend' revelations on ABC News (tonight)..I'm sure if you have have ABC News Now (the 24 hour ABC News broadcast channel) you'll hear the comments yourself.

Sadly, I do not have that channel. I will, however, take another look at the relevant quotes if available online. The program, ABC News Now is also sometimes carried late nights on my local ABC affiliate.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 34):
As for Nixon debates, another day..another thread.

You and I can certainly agree on that.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:06 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 31):
If you suggest that, in the age of the Internet, none of us should express ongoing sentiments on what is occurring despite the fact that it is witnessed by millions, I believe that you are quite wrong.

You completely didn't read a word I said, did you?

I said there is NOTHING WRONG with showing respect for a dead President. However, treating it like a sporting event with a running commentary of what's going on, on an INTERNET forum is over the top to me. If we want to have a running commentary, then we would all have been watching the news.

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:42 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 36):
. However, treating it like a sporting event with a running commentary of what's going on, on an INTERNET forum is over the top to me. If we want to have a running commentary, then we would all have been watching the news.

Do you understand now?

I understand now, but I also understood your comments before. Your comments were hardly ambiguous, but then, neither was my response -- any more than it was misdirected, as you incorrectly implied it was. You will see, perhaps, that I've taken note of what you said and even thanked you for it, but as I've said, I completely and utterly disagree with your view, for the reasons I've clearly stated. There is, as I've said, nothing at all intrinsically disrespectful of making a commentary thread that follows in form the live coverage of the funeral, which also features commentary and observations as the event is occurring.

Perhaps you should read again the contents of this thread, as you seem to be mistaking it for the equivalent of a NFL broadcast. While the commentary is ongoing, there is no "play-by-play" other than observation of significant events that differs in no way from what one may see in many other venues available to you and me.

A reasonable implication of your view is that we should observe a degree of Internet silence instead of making our feelings known as the event unfolds. Silence out of respect for the dead would be highly appropriate -- if we were physically in attendance at the funeral. But we are not. No more is it incumbent upon us to pretend that we are there than it is for us to stand in our living rooms with our hands over our hearts every time the national anthem is heard any time it is broadcast on television. Observing is not the same as attending. Our actions do not affect the funeral in any way, and no one at the ceremony even knew we were posting about it as we did.

Perhaps we can both agree that the Internet is an interesting place. What is an appropriate usage of it for you may differ from what is appropriate for me. Your opinion on this subject has been noted, and we continue to disagree on this issue. So be it.

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Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:56 pm

Gee, I wonder if anyone will lament Ford's approval of Indonesia's 1975 invasion of East Timor. 200,000 people died with American support and weaponry aiding Suharto's state-sponsored terrorism.

Cheney's speech was fitting. After all, it was Ford that gave both Cheny and Rumsfeld's careers such necessary political boosts.
 
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 37):
Perhaps you should read again the contents of this thread, as you seem to be mistaking it for the equivalent of a NFL broadcast.

It's exactly what you're doing here.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 37):
A reasonable implication of your view is that we should observe a degree of Internet silence instead of making our feelings known as the event unfolds.

Where did I say that? Now you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not going to continue to argue with you. You obviously havn't got a clue what I've been saying. Last time: I'm all for showing respect for a fallen President. I don't disagree with showing that respect in an internet forum. I do, however, think it's way over to the top to do a play by play of the event. It's over the top, and makes it look like you have no ability to observe the event as it is being broadcast internationally on TV. Why not just park it in front of your TV, and show your respects by observing the service, instead of a running play by play here?

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 37):
No more is it incumbent upon us to pretend that we are there than it is for us to stand in our living rooms with our hands over our hearts every time the national anthem is heard any time it is broadcast on television.

Of course...But the way you're doing your play by play here, it seems like you would be one to do that.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 37):
Perhaps we can both agree that the Internet is an interesting place.

I believe the words you're looking for are "Agree to disagree". No shit the internet is an interesting place.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:56 am

You guys are funny - especially Mr Aerospace Fan and his footnotes. I agree with the good Captain (Krell) and BN747, the blow-by-blow commentary and everything else, is an attempt to artificially manufacture some gravitas and power onto an old (and now dead) stupid white man. Perhaps the other stupid white men (Cheney, Stevens, all of them) hope some of it will reflect on to them. The reality is Ford wasn't a great man (as MD-90 says, he played a significant role in the death of 200,000 Indonesians) and The People won't miss him for a second.

Basically some old Skull And Bones member who couldn't get work in the private sector croaked. The rest of it is just Roman Empire pantomime and some people with eccentric tastes (Aerospace Fan) seem to like it. The rest of us ignore it because it's bullshit.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:03 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 40):
You guys are funny - especially Mr Aerospace Fan and his footnotes. I agree with the good Captain (Krell) and BN747, the blow-by-blow commentary and everything else, is an attempt to artificially manufacture some gravitas and power onto an old (and now dead) stupid white man.

Well, it says from your location icon that you're in Britain. In that regard, not all of us believe in the passion or the power that is Royal pageantry, either, but I'm certainly not one to rain your parades. Let's try to be a bit nicer here, at least for the new year.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 29):
And the author could exercise the same right NOT to start a thread, with a play by play for a FUNERAL. Sorry, but that is flat out dis-respectful to me. How would you feel if someone was doing a play by play of a dead loved one?

Point taken but, given the topics of at least half the threads that show up here, a play-by-play of a funeral isn't that far out of the norm for this forum.

To answer your question about a play-by-play of the funeral for a dead loved one, if it was being broadcast live on national television, the privacy aspect is pretty much shot anyway so I can't say it'd matter all that much. And besides, until a few posters turned this into a political commentary about Mr. Ford, I thought the author of the thread was doing a respectful job of documenting what was taking place at the proceedings.

And finally, if you or anyone else takes exception to this or any other thread, you have two options: Don't read it and suggest it's deletion.
 
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 42):
And finally, if you or anyone else takes exception to this or any other thread, you have two options: Don't read it and suggest it's deletion.

Preferably the former, I might add....

Thank you for your kind words, by the way!
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:24 am

Just saw the replay of it here in Japan...Ted Stevens gave the worst eulogy ever. I would be incredibly annoyed if a longtime colleague of my deceased were so unprepared as to misquote and then quote-correct the deceased. Denny Hastert wasn't a whole lot better - maybe if he'd get himself into shape he'd look decent in a suit but until then he hardly passes for a gentleman the way he hunches over the podium. Certainly not my choices for funeral speakers of the year, particularly given the quality of the man they were speaking for.

That said, the VP was more than excellent. That was one of the best eulogies any man could ask for - respectful, reflective, in context, and best of all, deferential to Mrs. Ford. Unfortunately it seems to be all pomp and circumstance and rang of quiet hypocrisy since the VP seems to be unable to conduct his own political life with the same integrity of the man he was speaking for. Sorry AFan, I will not address him as 'Mr....'
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 44):
That said, the VP was more than excellent. That was one of the best eulogies any man could ask for - respectful, reflective, in context, and best of all, deferential to Mrs. Ford.

Agreed!

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Unfortunately it seems to be all pomp and circumstance and rang of quiet hypocrisy since the VP seems to be unable to conduct his own political life with the same integrity of the man he was speaking for.

Well, there, I couldn't agree at all.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 44):
Sorry AFan, I will not address [the VP] as 'Mr....'

That's okay, Aaron747. Reasonable minds can disagree. Mr. Cheney does have his detractors....

[Edited 2007-01-01 00:32:25]
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:49 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 44):
Ted Stevens gave the worst eulogy ever.

The stammering fool's brain is a massive series of tangled, enormous tubes. It's hard for him to make any sense.

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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:49 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 45):

Well, there, I couldn't agree at all.

Unfortunate when a reasonable mind such as your own can't seem to find the reasons to do so.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 41):
Well, it says from your location icon that you're in Britain. In that regard, not all of us believe in the passion or the power that is Royal pageantry, either, but I'm certainly not one to rain your parades.

I thought America wasn't supposed to have royalty?
 
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:25 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 41):
Well, it says from your location icon that you're in Britain. In that regard, not all of us believe in the passion or the power that is Royal pageantry, either, but I'm certainly not one to rain your parades.

You would need a lot more Brits on a.net to find anyone who could care enough about any member of the Royal Family to even get a thread going on the subject of any royal event.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 48):
I thought America wasn't supposed to have royalty?

I wish we didn't.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 41):
Let's try to be a bit nicer here, at least for the new year.

Agree, and my respectful apology to you. It's just that these arseholes in Washington are never part of the solution, only part of the problem, and it bugs me when they stage crap like this and normal people actually buy into it. Happy new year.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:46 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 42):
To answer your question about a play-by-play of the funeral for a dead loved one, if it was being broadcast live on national television, the privacy aspect is pretty much shot anyway so I can't say it'd matter all that much.

Since it was being broadcast on just about every channel, why the running commentary on Anet? Does AF think we can't watch it ourselves, and draw our own conclusions about the event?

Don't think it was disrespectful, as others have suggested. Just unnecessary.
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington,

Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:00 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 50):
Don't think it was disrespectful, as others have suggested. Just unnecessary.

Agreed;  expressionless 
 
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RE: The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:36 pm

Lets continue from my last post. AF what connection do you feel so strong to Gerald Ford? I've posted on other threads in the past month that he was my favorite president because I felt he was closer to the working man/women that any other president in my life. If you case, according to your profile I guessing that you were six (Jan 1977) when Ford left office. Even if you were at the upper age range of your profile which I seriously doubt what affect did he have on your life to run a commentary on the services?
Again as Halls stated its not disrespectful, its real unnecessary since he really wasn't an important part of your life.

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