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On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:27 am

The question is obvious, and addresses avid supporters of the death penalty. Now that we can all read how much rejoice and happiness the killing of Saddam Hussein has sparked, I was asking myself who else was on the internet "tough guy" elite's shit list.

So: If you had the opportunity, whose graves would you dance on after putting on clean trousers?
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:38 am

hmm Osama? i woudlnt piss on him if he was on fire, in fact i would piss my self laughing at him
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:53 am

OBL is #1 with a bullet, or two or three or four....THOUSAND.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:55 am

None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:57 am

None.

I'd be honored if I could bring an end to some lives out there but I would feel no celebration in order.

As someone said when the Lincoln conspirators were executed: "We want to know their names no more."

I wish that people could get that today.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:37 am

Although some people may find pleasure 'kicking a man when he is down', for myself it is not the done thing.

To paraphrase a bit from Rudyard Kipling -

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.

hmmm I agree on this one too. Though I will restate, you totally lost it this once today (or was it yesterday?).
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent.

Quite agreed; once they are dead who cares..

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
"We want to know their names no more."

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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:22 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.

I'm with ANC on this one...

Someone else's death is something nobody should take pride in, for one day you might be the one being danced on.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:25 pm

Dancing around Saddam's dead body only shows some cultures have progressed little.

Also, it's not hard to imagine those people who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:41 pm

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
The question is obvious, and addresses avid supporters of the death penalty.

Your question is flawed. You are asking who would be disrepfectful, juvenile, and downright uneducated but it has nothing to do with the death penalty. Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
Now that we can all read how much rejoice and happiness the killing of Saddam Hussein has sparked

I suppose you're saddened by it? Are you saddened because you don't support the death penalty or you think he wasn't evil incarnate?

Am I glad to see him gone? Yes.
Am I rejoicing and dancing a jig? No
Are some Iraqis joyful and dancing with glee? Of course but who could blame them.

You and I have lived relatively peaceful lives and never had to undergo the torture of his regime. You and I could never understand what happened to people there despite whatever we read or see. Therefore you and I can never understand the true feelings of the Iraqi people at this time or understand their reaction to the news. You make a mockery of their lives under his dictatorship with your questioning of their rejoicing.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
or two or three or four....THOUSAND

Surely one or two are enough. Why waste good ammunition?

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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:15 pm

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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:24 pm

See if Aloges asked me the question personally, then I would just list people I wanted to see dead. I wouldn't actually goes as far as to think of what song to play whilst I hypothetically danced on the grave.

It's obvious most don't understand the true question. Down off your high horses all.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:37 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.

Gee, ANC, what's wrong with you? Did you have ... last night? I actually find myself agreeing with you.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:57 pm

Thanks for the replies, good to read them in contrast to them "Saddam Is Dead Let's Celebrate!)" threads.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.

You're sure? Well, you are mistaken. If you're an avid supporter of the death penalty but despise dancing on graves, you're welcome to say it as you did. But on the other hand, how many opponents of the death penalty do you notice dancing?  Wink

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
I suppose you're saddened by it?

That's putting it mildly. I was pissed off by the lack of respect for basic human rights when I started this thread. We have discussed this over and over in this forum, and I wanted a bit of reassurance there's some people in here who agree that every human should get a minimum of respect after his death.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Are you saddened because you don't support the death penalty

That's the one.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
or you think he wasn't evil incarnate?

Saddam and his ilk are my definition of evil. The world's peoples need to be protected from brutes who enjoy themselves torturing and killing others.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
You make a mockery of their lives under his dictatorship with your questioning of their rejoicing.

That's some logic that I don't quite agree with. But I guess your opinion is that once you've been the victim of inhumane crimes, you have the right to resort to the same as a form of vengeance?
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What I have a problem with is civilised people turning into savages. I can find myself almost agreeing with the death penalty in some extreme cases, but I'm still alarmed by the venomous hatred spewn by some. Not because of who it's spewn at, but by the mindsets that allow for the hatred in the first place. It doesn't take much to turn a hate-filled man into a murdering idiot.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
Saddam and his ilk are my definition of evil. The world's peoples need to be protected from brutes who enjoy themselves torturing and killing others.

Both true. However, I draw attention to the errors associated with assuming that the likes of Saddam, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and many others are exceptional cases. All the evidence suggests that they are all too common, and unexceptional. This holds a major lesson that is largely being ignored.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
The question is obvious, and addresses avid supporters of the death penalty. Now that we can all read how much rejoice and happiness the killing of Saddam Hussein has sparked, I was asking myself who else was on the internet "tough guy" elite's shit list.

I am as big a supporter of the death penalty as you'll find anywhere and your assertion makes me sick. There is no correlation between support of the death penalty as such and the wish that a particular person would be put to death to fulfull someone's satisfaction at seeing them dead.

The death penalty is a stark and somber punishment. You are trying to make it appear to be something trivial and insignificant by using an example totally out of context.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
Dancing around Saddam's dead body only shows some cultures have progressed little.

Also, it's not hard to imagine those people who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.

Very good post, right to the point and completely accurate.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.

You're sure? Well, you are mistaken.

Hmm, I take exception to that. I am, as you know, a death penalty supporter. That doesn't not mean I am disrespectful of others - in life or in death.

Just because I support the death penalty, doesn't mean I'm going to run out to the grave of the latest person so disposed of and do the hoochie-coochie on their headstone. THAT is disrespectful - both to the dead person and to myself.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
I was pissed off by the lack of respect for basic human rights when I started this thread.

I see you point - but I think you mistook the fact people were glad Saddam's finally met his maker (whomever that might be), with their lack of respect for human rights. Clearly an oversight on your part.

Looking at this info:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
. However, I draw attention to the errors associated with assuming that the likes of Saddam, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and many others are exceptional cases.

It would not sadden me, upset me, nor cause me grief to see any or all of these scum bags executed - harshly - but that does NOT mean I disrespect human rights. These scum have summarily forfeited their rights as a human based on their treatment of thousands of victims.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.

Having read this another time, I'm not quite sure I got you right on the first. Did you mean "you'll surely agree that supporters of the DP don't necessarily disrespect others"? I read it as "you'll certainly claim they do" at first, so what you actually meant to say was probably lost in translation.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 19):
Having read this another time, I'm not quite sure I got you right on the first. Did you mean "you'll surely agree that supporters of the DP don't necessarily disrespect others"? I read it as "you'll certainly claim they do" at first, so what you actually meant to say was probably lost in translation.

Hmm, perhaps we need to pass this over to the grammar thread. I can see what both of you thought it meant. This probably suggests that the sentence structure could be improved.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
None.

I'd be honored if I could bring an end to some lives out there but I would feel no celebration in order.

As someone said when the Lincoln conspirators were executed: "We want to know their names no more."

I wish that people could get that today.

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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
people who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.

THIS here is from the WEBsite of "Fox" : """ the hanging of Saddam Hussein � an execution the president called a milestone on Iraq's road to democracy ""
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AND that in my view IS "rejoicing" !
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Quoting Queso (Reply 17):
who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.
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Very good post, right to the point and completely accurate.

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sure! accurately describing the president of the USA
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 19):
Having read this another time, I'm not quite sure I got you right on the first. Did you mean "you'll surely agree that supporters of the DP don't necessarily disrespect others"? I read it as "you'll certainly claim they do" at first, so what you actually meant to say was probably lost in translation.

My grammar was probably lacking in that sentence. ANCFlyer puts it into better English than I was capable of doing with his response I've quoted below.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
I see you point - but I think you mistook the fact people were glad Saddam's finally met his maker (whomever that might be), with their lack of respect for human rights. Clearly an oversight on your part.



Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
You make a mockery of their lives under his dictatorship with your questioning of their rejoicing.

That's some logic that I don't quite agree with. But I guess your opinion is that once you've been the victim of inhumane crimes, you have the right to resort to the same as a form of vengeance?

My opinion is that now that Saddam is dead and there is no chance of return (however slim it was it still existed) the Iraqis that were persecuted under his dictatorship can rejoice and try to get some of their lives back knowing he will not be able to commit any more crimes. Again, you and I are not in their shoes and have had family members murdered by him so we'll never understand.

I think that if someone close to me was murdered I would do everything in my power and within the law to see them executed. Call it barbaric, call it vengeful, call it whatever the Hell you want but I'll call it just punishment for their crimes.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
sure! accurately describing the president of the USA

Were you trying to make some kind of point? Until you can supply some kind of proof that he was dancing and rejoicing, you are reading something into the situation that is NOT there.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
an execution the president called a milestone on Iraq's road to democracy ""

A milestone, a marker, a piece of history.....

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
AND that in my view IS "rejoicing" !

It is quite fortunate that your view of "rejoicing" is the exception.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:30 am

I wouldn't dance on anyone's grave. That's very low if you ask me.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 24):
kind of proof that he was dancing and rejoicing

I never said he was dancing, but that he IS rejoicing is hearable and visible on the media. The way he spoke about that "milestone on the road to democracy" and HOW he said it to me clearly IS rejoicing .
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Quoting Queso (Reply 24):
A milestone, a marker, a piece of history.....

a piece of history most certainly, but NOT a milestone for anything.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

You're kidding, me..........................right??
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):

why have a court case in the first place,everyone knew it was him,so why didn't;t anyone shoot the shit while he was down that hole he was hiding in!!!!

having a court case was a utter waste of tax payers money and a total waste of time,as he lied all the way through the case.

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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting Express1 (Reply 28):

why have a court case in the first place,everyone knew it was him,so why didn't;t anyone shoot the shit while he was down that hole he was hiding in!!!!

Because we are above that and wanted to present him for a trial. We all knew the outcome of the trial before it started but it proves that we are not a bunch of savages unlike Saddam.

I also imagine he was cowering like a little scared bitch in that hole when he was found. Had he held a weapon or made any suspicious move they would have taken him out right then.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
whose graves would you dance on

Not a soul's. No matter how much of a bastard someone was in life, that ground they are buried in is sanctified. I would never dance on someone's grave.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 27):
You're kidding, me..........................right??

I wish I was. Read through "Saddam Is Dead" parts one and two to understand why I'm asking.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:39 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 31):

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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:35 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
These scum have summarily forfeited their rights as a human based on their treatment of thousands of victims.

Aren't human rights universal? Aren't they granted to anybody who is born? A human being in the flesh recieves the same rights as anybody else, criminal or not. The law in this country and international law says so.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:10 pm

Well, as long as you can accept an enemy of yours dancing on YOUR OWN GRAVE, then I guess it's okay to imagine doing the same to someone you hate.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:29 pm

I would like to invite you all to dance on my grave when I die (one day in the very distant future I certainly hope.) Have a big party and enjoy yourselves! However, no one shall be drinking mountain dew on my grave. It is just gross, and therefore utterly disrespectful...  vomit 

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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:56 pm

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 33):
Aren't human rights universal? Aren't they granted to anybody who is born? A human being in the flesh recieves the same rights as anybody else, criminal or not. The law in this country and international law says so.

 checkmark  Of course you are 100% correct. The interesting thing is why some continue to assert that some have forfeited human rights. Is it a lack of being able to express strong feelings without resort to a contradiction of something that is stated pretty clearly? So we can see what, and we can agree that the person is not at all pleasant, but why such palpably inappropriate denial of an important concept?
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:59 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 32):
Forgive me for saying.....but yer sick!

You didn't get the point at all, did you?

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 33):
Aren't human rights universal? Aren't they granted to anybody who is born? A human being in the flesh recieves the same rights as anybody else, criminal or not. The law in this country and international law says so.

That's what I mean.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:44 am

Fred Phelps.

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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:48 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.

Good answear ANCFlyer,know you sound like a Moderator  Wink
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.

I take it then you never participated in the pee on Soapy Smith's grave tradition?
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:37 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 36):
Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 33):
Aren't human rights universal? Aren't they granted to anybody who is born? A human being in the flesh recieves the same rights as anybody else, criminal or not. The law in this country and international law says so.

Of course you are 100% correct. The interesting thing is why some continue to assert that some have forfeited human rights. Is it a lack of being able to express strong feelings without resort to a contradiction of something that is stated pretty clearly?

I'll get a two-fer here with Baroque and TBar.

Yes, TBar, everyone is born with basic Human Rights. No question. Saddam was as well. He then proceeded to strip those he came in contact with - that didn't tow his party line - of theirs.

Baroque, asserting Saddam and others, have forfeited their human rights is my opinion. Just like asserting they have not is yours.

I thought my "strong feelings" were quite adequately expressed when I smiled as Saddam swung. He got his just reward. I do rather wish he could have sat through the remaining trials he's facing . . .

I know nothing would ever justify such a punishment in your eyes - and the eyes of others here . . . fine by me. It certainly isn't going to keep me up nights.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 40):
I take it then you never participated in the pee on Soapy Smith's grave tradition?

Nope, never did . . .
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:25 pm

I would NOT dance on their graves, but here are a few worthless pieces of crap that are using up valuable oxygen in our prison system:

Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney: Killed gay man Matt Shepard in Wyoming. Henderson avoided the death penalty in a plea deal to testify against McKinney; Shepard's parents requested McKinney's life be spared.

Lawrence Russel Brewer, John William King, and Shawn Allen Berry: Dragged an African American man, James Byrd, behind a vehicle, killing him, in Texas. Berry was the only one of the three to not get a death sentence.

Ironically, both of these horrific hate crimes were committed in 1998.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
THIS here is from the WEBsite of "Fox" : """ the hanging of Saddam Hussein � an execution the president called a milestone on Iraq's road to democracy ""
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AND that in my view IS "rejoicing" !

You are trying to excuse a barbaric custom, and you don't succeed because, with all due respect, your argument is lame. The only thing that does is expose your bias even more.

It wasn't Bush who was DANCING AROUND a human that had been excecuted. Celebrating this way, hitting a body with shoes etc, are pretty medieval and barbaric arab customs. Now if instead of making an excuse you had said: a moderate, modern arab like myself would never do such a thing! ..that would've been a lot better.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:43 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 43):
Celebrating this way, hitting a body with shoes etc, are pretty medieval and barbaric arab customs.

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to put it simply, such things are NOT "customs" .
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And what I found bad was how triumphant GWB is about this execution. An execution is a punishment for "mis-deeds" but an execution is NOT a "milestone". This is NOT 'bias', it is reality. And while he was NOT physically "kicking" he was verbally doing so.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:43 pm

ME AV, I also agree it's debatable whether it's a "milestone" or not, but either way it's historically significant. The important thing is that 4 years ago nobody could have thought Saddam would be sentenced for all his crimes in Iraq AND hanged; almost ironic.

By the way, I just read the first post of this thread again, what a question..  sarcastic 
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 45):
the first post of this thread again, what a question..

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a strange question, as not even that bunch of executioners would VIRTUALLY do so. And in case of an Arab country, it was clear that he WAS TO GET a real normal burial. To cremate and deposit somehow, as it was done in Nuernberg was out of the question.
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 45):
nobody could have thought Saddam would be sentenced for all his crimes in Iraq AND hanged;

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I for many years expected him to be toppled in a coup-d-etat and he being hanged or shot. NO, it was the famous Sword-of-Damocles over his head.
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:13 pm

Only one person, namely that bAstard who screwed my family's business out of €150.000 and as such has made our life hell since then. And to be honest, I'd probably also p!ss on his grave as well. Yes, sounds radical and/or primitive, but that's what I would do. That guy has created too much hate in me. Though I won't be the one to put him in that grave, because that SOB is not worth going to jail for for homicide.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:40 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
Dancing around Saddam's dead body only shows some cultures have progressed little.

Also, it's not hard to imagine those people who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.

I don't know if I would trust your media, they can show whatever they want to prove a point. Maybe the clip of rejoicing was from something else and the media linked it to saddam' death.

And even if its true, 99.99% of the muslims didn't rejoice or dance on saddam's death.
 
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RE: On Whose Graves Will You Dance?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
Dancing around Saddam's dead body only shows some cultures have progressed little.

Also, it's not hard to imagine those people who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.

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A) WHO danced around Saddam's dead body ? I have seen the video, but NOTHING like this
B) almost nobody was rejoicing/dancing . There was ONE scene, brought by CNN, which presumably is the one which was broadcast around the globe, and of which I think it was people paid by the reporters to do the "action" so that they had something for their clients . And forget the "anti-American" thing, as also European, Arab and Asian media are eager to get such stuff.
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Quoting HKA (Reply 48):
And even if its true, 99.99% of the muslims didn't rejoice or dance on saddam's death.

true, and I was surprlsed to see how calm the Shi'ites in Iraq in reality were. Even people who had suffered under that tyrant did not feel like jubilating
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