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Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:15 pm

Hi guys-

I'm heading off to college after this year (Ariz State Univ Barrett Honors College - GO SUNDEVILS!) & have started looking around at laptops. I've (almost) decided on a 15" Macbook Pro. I've come to enjoy Mac simplicity from working with them for high school publications over the past four years. If any of you college students have Macs, have you had any regrets or problems with compatability at uni?

Any other thoughts certainly appreciated on Macs or non-Macs. My general needs aside from the normal college word processing & office apps are photo editing and music/dvd. Don't need any gaming stuff.

Thanks for advice,
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:01 pm

Justin-

I just got a 15 inch macbook pro and it was worth every penny. Great investment not just for college but further beyond.

Shoot me an email or something if you want more info on what I got
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:03 pm

I have one. It's the old iBook G4 in terms of reliability you can't beat a MAC. If you get one that can run Windows as well (i.e. an Intel Macbook) then you'll never have any worries because you can run anything out there.

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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:13 pm

Quoting Notar520AC (Thread starter):
Ariz State Univ Barrett Honors College - GO SUNDEVILS!

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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting Notar520AC (Thread starter):
Ariz State Univ Barrett Honors College

Good school  bigthumbsup  Are you staying in their complex? I may see you around if not elsewhere on campus.

Back on topic, I've always been a PC guy so I really can't offer any help.
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:48 pm

I have a 15" MacBook Pro here at Dartmouth, and I would say that the majority of students have them - and love them. While sure, it's easy to just take the "comfortable" option and just go with a PC, I'm so glad that I went with the Mac. It's such a better machine than any Windows computer - I love it!
 
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:07 pm

Well if you like the interphase then I guess you're good to go. I got a MacBook (13") in late October and just got rid of it. It's really aesthetically pleasing, inside and out, but there little tiny functionalities that windows has that I can't like without. So I sold it to a coworker and will be getting a 13" Vaio pretty soon.

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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:19 pm

Quoting Notar520AC (Thread starter):
Don't need any gaming stuff.

No MSFS?  Sad My friend has one for the same reasons and loves them...of course, I like my games.  Big grin


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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:28 pm

I'm using a white 2GHz MacBook as a college student. It's an awesome machine. It's priced about the same as comparable Windows machines, and it performs almost any task I can throw it at it with ease.

I'd recommend a regular (white or black) MacBook for normal computing, but if you really do a lot of video editing, the higher-end graphics cards in the Pro may come in handy. I got mine with 1GB of system RAM, but I would suggest that you buy any memory upgrade from NewEgg or another computer retailer and install it yourself. Apple charges through the nose for RAM upgrades.

As far as compatibility goes, my school (about 11,000 students, for a size comparison) is very Mac friendly, although their campus-wide WiFi sometimes takes longer to connect with my built-in AirPort.

At this point in time Apple seems to have corrected all the known MacBook issues; I had a defect with the case plastic discoloring and I mailed it back for repair only to get it back 2 DAYS LATER! The lady I spoke to on the phone was extremely helpful and friendly as well. Two thumbs up for their support!

I have WinXP installed under Boot Camp as well and for the most part have had no issues with the installation and running of Windows. Let me know if you have any other (more specific) questions. Good luck making your decision!

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:11 am

I bought my daughter a PowerBook back when she started college in 2003....that thing is amazing. When all her friends were getting viruses or having their PCs crash, Sara was merrily worknig away on her Mac. She graduates in May and that laptop is just as good as the day we bought it.

Of course, we do run software upgrades and I have a tech friend who gives it an annual checkup...but there have been NO problems since August 2003 when I bought it.
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
It's really aesthetically pleasing, inside and out, but there little tiny functionalities that windows has that I can't like without.

With recent Macs:

a) You can run Windows under Parallels Desktop in parallel to MacOS X.

b) You can even boot natively into Windows via BootCamp.

c) You can probably do most or all of those "little tiny functionalities" under MacOS X as well, at least some of them probably easier and more conveniently.

Sad to see you didn't even ask. There is a lot of Mac expertise around for free, on a.net or elsewhere.

I'm pretty sure all you need would have been possible on your MacBook after all - losing the capability of running MacOS X and gaining nothing in return will be a step down for sure...
 
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 7):
No MSFS? My friend has one for the same reasons and loves them...of course, I like my games.

Under Windows via BootCamp Intel Macs will run any PC game as well. MSFS included.

If games are important to you, you should of course get a Mac with a dedicated GPU (MacBook Pro, iMac > 17", Mac Pro). The "integrated" GPUs in the Mac mini, the 17" iMac and the 13" MacBook aren't fast enough for most games (although some still seem to run well enough).

[Edited 2007-01-04 16:57:07]
 
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
Under Windows via BootCamp Intel Macs will run any PC game as well. MSFS included.

I know, but I like to make my PCs...cheap and fast, so that I can play games without nosebleed inducing prices.

I cannot do that well with Macs because they are a bit more expensive, no?

Plus, I've never had a problem with Windows since the BSOD went away.  Big grin

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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 3):


:D  duck 

Quoting Monorail (Reply 4):
Are you staying in their complex?

Yeah dude! I signed up for Best C and then Hayden, so just waiting for the assignment to come through. I chose Best because I like the hallway feel, even if the dorm is older.

Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
little tiny functionalities that windows has that I can't like without.

Such as? This was something I was anticipating...

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 7):
No MSFS?

On my desktop.  wink 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
Intel Macs

By Intel Macs you mean the newer ones with Intel chips, correct?

Thanks for all your input guys- I feel a lot more comfortable now. Cheers.
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:17 am

I have a Macbook but it's not pro.  tongue  I'm cheap...hahaha. I go to UC Davis and all campus technology stuff are compatable with Mac OS. I love Macintosh!!

P.S. I just read somewhere online (forgot where) that a group of people is putting out Apple bugs on internet. Be careful!!  Smile



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Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:44 am

I've got a 15" PowerBook G4 1.5GHz with 2GB ram and its perfect for school/college
Not too heavy, but perfect widescreen size.
I love it, and so does everyone else
Since I've had it, 3 of my friends have purchased the white 13" MacBooks
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 12):
I know, but I like to make my PCs...cheap and fast, so that I can play games without nosebleed inducing prices.

I cannot do that well with Macs because they are a bit more expensive, no?

Cheap computers with expensive graphics cards are a combination which Apple simply doesn't offer at this point, since it is a low- to no-margin segment.

So if gaming is your main priority with very little else, a home-built PC can in fact be the best option. (Especially if most of the software installed has not been bought...  eyebrow  )

It's a whole other story once you actually need to get something done with the computer - once system quality, reliability, software costs and especially cost of the user's time are factored in ("total cost of ownership"), a Mac increasingly turns into a bargain.

But that's not the place where you'd find (or need) a playstation equivalent...!

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 12):
Plus, I've never had a problem with Windows since the BSOD went away.

Excellent. But still most switchers report that their new Mac was easier, more pleasant and more efficient to use than their old PC.

Some chronic pains get dulled down over time - until you feel the difference when they stop entirely!

Quoting Notar520AC (Reply 13):
By Intel Macs you mean the newer ones with Intel chips, correct?

Yes, exactly.

Quoting Notar520AC (Reply 13):
Thanks for all your input guys- I feel a lot more comfortable now. Cheers.

You're welcome; Have fun and don't hesitate to ask if any questions should turn up!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Foppishbum (Reply 14):
P.S. I just read somewhere online (forgot where) that a group of people is putting out Apple bugs on internet. Be careful!!

Indeed - being careful is always recommended, even with a Mac.

Unfortunately those guys are so intent on boosting their own egos that they are publicly turning potential vulnerabilities into viable threats - apparently without fair warning to the manufacturer(s). If that is in fact their modus operandi, it's at least borderline criminal, if not worse.

It proves again: Some people are ready to do anything to get attention!  yuck 
 
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting Notar520AC (Thread starter):
If any of you college students have Macs, have you had any regrets or problems with compatability at uni?

I use an Intel-based first generation Macbook at Texas A&M University. The Ethernet (either wired or wireless) provided will make no distinction between a Mac and PC at 99% of college campuses.

In fact, at Texas A&M I am never prompted with the mandatory virus scan that a Windows PC must periodically run.  Smile

Quoting Notar520AC (Thread starter):
I've (almost) decided on a 15" Macbook Pro.

I nearly went with the Macbook Pro before deciding on the standard Macbook.

I need more power than the average user and I have been more than satisfied with the performance of the Macbook. My notebook has the 2.0 Ghz Intel Core Dou with 1.25 GB memory. The Macbook has since upgraded to the Intel Core Dou 2, which benchmark test indicate is about 20-25% faster!

Unless you're doing some really high-end stuff or want the 15" screen, you should really consider the Macbook. With the money you save, you can max out the notebook to a full 2 GB memory and opt for the 3-year full service warranty.

FINALLY - BE SURE TO CHECK WITH APPLE TO SEE IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A STUDENT DISCOUNT. I apologize for "shouting," but the vast majority of college students are eligible for an Apple Education discount. I personally saved about $200 on my Macbook. Worth looking into.

Quoting Notar520AC (Thread starter):
My general needs aside from the normal college word processing & office apps are photo editing and music/dvd. Don't need any gaming stuff.

Obviously, the Mac comes with a host of terrific multimedia software.

For office and productivity work, I suggest you consider the free, open-source NeoOffice suite:

http://www.neooffice.org/

It's fully compatible with Microsoft Office file formats, and doesn't cost a penny. At the very least, it's worth trying before you shell-out a $150 for Microsoft Office for Mac. I have used Neo Office for some time, and I find it a perfectly suitable replacement for Office.
 
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting Notar520AC (Thread starter):
If any of you college students have Macs, have you had any regrets or problems with compatability at uni?

I have a black Macbook and use it everyday for college being that I take online courses. I never have any problems. Anytime I need something that is not on compatible with the Mac I use bootcamp or parrellels and have no problem. One example I use is Microsoft office professional. I use it for my computer class when i need to use Access or Publisher, Etc.. quick click and thanks to parallels in moving along.
 
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 17):
FINALLY - BE SURE TO CHECK WITH APPLE TO SEE IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A STUDENT DISCOUNT. I apologize for "shouting," but the vast majority of college students are eligible for an Apple Education discount. I personally saved about $200 on my Macbook. Worth looking into.

Definitely worth doing. Once you are registered for classes you can qualify. Either buy it directly from the campus bookstore or you can link to their Apple Store page and get the discount that way. Though bear in mind Dell, Gateway, and possibly a few others offer these types of discounts. You also have the benefit of getting discounted software as well. MS Office for Students and Teachers is a screaming deal @ ~$150 for Windows or OSX.
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:11 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
a) You can run Windows under Parallels Desktop in parallel to MacOS X.

Slow Citrix-like environment

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
b) You can even boot natively into Windows via BootCamp.

Slow Citrix-like environment

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
c) You can probably do most or all of those "little tiny functionalities" under MacOS X as well, at least some of them probably easier and more conveniently.

Erm, no. And the fact that I can "probably" not do "most" of those things is what made me go back to Windows

Oh, and Citrix sucks in Safari... or Firefox on Mac for that matter.

Quoting Notar520AC (Reply 13):
Such as? This was something I was anticipating...

No right click... sorry, but I need my other hand free  wink 

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 20):
Slow Citrix-like environment

Access and other Windows-specific applications should run at almost native speed under Parallels Desktop and at true native speed under BootCamp.

What exactly do you think is "slow" about it?

Quoting Coal (Reply 20):
Erm, no. And the fact that I can "probably" not do "most" of those things is what made me go back to Windows

What were those ominous functionalities you were missing?

Quoting Coal (Reply 20):
Oh, and Citrix sucks in Safari... or Firefox on Mac for that matter.

A crummy Access-based Windows application doesn't work in a browser other than Internet Explorer? Who would have thought!?   

Still not a problem - if it only works with Internet Explorer, simply use that one.

With the upcoming version of Parallels Desktop you can even merge Windows applications into the MacOS X environment if you want (the new "Coherence" feature).

Quoting Coal (Reply 20):
No right click... sorry, but I need my other hand free

What are you talking about?

All Macs since the introduction of context menus (back some time in the old Classic MacOS) have supported right-clicking. Apple doesn't even sell any single-button mice any more (took them long enough - but other manufacturer's multi-button mice have always worked anyway). MacBooks also support right-clicking directly with the track pad (among other things).

[Edited 2007-01-05 01:46:18]
 
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:46 am

Both my little brother and my college roommate have MacBooks.

My little brother bought his just to run his "hot copy" of Final Cut Pro...I guess he's satisfied  smile .

My college roommate loves his to death...yet had to put Bootcamp on it to play his favorite games. Unfortunately, a computer genius down the dorm hall from me has a creative phrase about running Windows on a Mac, but that would be inappropriate for the forums  wink .

Quoting Coal (Reply 20):
Slow Citrix-like environment

Agh...Citrix!? That is a word that should not be spoken!
 
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
Cheap computers with expensive graphics cards are a combination which Apple simply doesn't offer at this point, since it is a low- to no-margin segment.

Which is sad, because it would make it worth buying and then buying XP to run under Bootcamp... *sigh*  Sad

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):

But that's not the place where you'd find (or need) a playstation equivalent...!

Don't you mean Xbox?  Wink Just kidding. I upgrade so much and replace so much (yes, a lot of it is bought and then installed by your truly) that it would not make much sense..plus I don't do heavy work (like editing papers and such) on it. It ends up being a machine for typing out essays with and playing FEAR, so I don't need (or have the  dollarsign  ) to buy a Mac. Like I said in other threads, I have only used the older OSes with Macs, but I hear that they are very nice now. I used one for seven days in CA when I was visiting my friend, and it was fine. He loves it and swears by them now, but he only surfs the net and types on it...so I'm on the fence...it is better for many people, but for those of us "fast-food" users, PCs are a lot better deal. You can't really fault the company for that, though.


Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
Excellent. But still most switchers report that their new Mac was easier, more pleasant and more efficient to use than their old PC.

That's true for most of the people I have talked too, but not for gamers yet. Of course, ERAU is making me poor or I could have both.  Big grin

I will say that the interface WITHOUT using a mouse (ie, on a laptop of theirs) drove me nuts. Ughhh. Other than that, it never had any problems at all.

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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 23):
Don't you mean Xbox?

Pretty much, yes! Big grin

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 23):
I upgrade so much and replace so much (yes, a lot of it is bought and then installed by your truly) that it would not make much sense..plus I don't do heavy work (like editing papers and such) on it. It ends up being a machine for typing out essays with and playing FEAR, so I don't need (or have the     ) to buy a Mac.

For exactly this case a Mac is indeed not the best choice at the moment.

If (when) your requirements change, however, things will look different again...
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:57 pm

While not Mac, I should note that I got World of Warcraft running on Fedora Core 6 using WINE. The good thing is tha WoW is higly portable, so no need for additional files. But, the kicker to my story is this: I got more FPS out of WoW using WINE and OpenGL (which WoW was not optimized for) than I ever did in Windows using DirectX (which WoW was optimized for.) This with everything turned up full, and full quad anti-aliasing on an FX6600. While WoW also has a native port for Mac, I'm that if you could also run other games with the same speed and reliability using the Mac equivilant of WINE. (The name excapes me for the moment.)
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
A crummy Access-based Windows application doesn't work in a browser other than Internet Explorer? Who would have thought!?

That most major blue chip companies use? Yeah, I'll leave the Macs in the hands of the backpackers, thanks.

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 26):
That most major blue chip companies use?

Many corporations drag along a lot of legacy stuff. You'd be surprised what dinosaur remains can be found in the deeper cellars of their IT departments...

It often makes sense to live out some specific remains of earlier eras, but on the whole it's a good idea to look for opportunities to boost productivity. And based on my own experiences with Access I'd say it presents an opportunity alright - for switching to better and more flexible solutions.

Quoting Coal (Reply 26):
Yeah, I'll leave the Macs in the hands of the backpackers, thanks.

You still haven't been able to substantiate any of your claims. People all around are happily using their legacy Windows applications on Intel Macs or have already switched their workflow over to MacOS X - I still don't see why only you should be unable to do the same!
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:49 am

This article - while certainly open to criticism on some details - describes pretty well some of the main differences in user experience between the upcoming Windows Vista and Mac OS X (the soon-to-be-superseded 10.4 "Tiger"):

InformationWeek - Review: Mac OS X Shines In Comparison With Windows Vista

It is sometimes difficult to explain (or to believe) what the difference is, but he does succeed in explaining it quite well.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:15 am

Gee, I can't wait to install OSX Leopard on my my computer!

Oh wait. I CAN'T becuase Apple refuses to allow it to install/run on non-proprietary hardware, yet nonchalantly allow it's own userbase to install Windows on it's own hardware because MS designed Windows to run universally on all types of x86 hardware—the same hardware that Apple is now using for its own hardware base.
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 29):
Oh wait. I CAN'T becuase Apple refuses to allow it to install/run on non-proprietary hardware, yet nonchalantly allow it's own userbase to install Windows on it's own hardware because MS designed Windows to run universally on all types of x86 hardwarethe same hardware that Apple is now using for its own hardware base.

Sorry. But the conclusion is not that difficult, is it?  angel 

I'm with you regarding evil empire and all that, but I'll rather buy decently-priced products which are well designed from top to bottom from a smaller evil empire than flogging a shoddily assembled frankenstein creature along with a mess of an OS from the overpoweringly big evil empire...! Big grin
 
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RE: Who Owns A Macbook & Is In College?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 24):
Pretty much, yes!

Thought so!  Wink

Quoting Klaus (Reply 24):

For exactly this case a Mac is indeed not the best choice at the moment.

If (when) your requirements change, however, things will look different again...

Aye, it's terrible the choices that one must make.  Big grin

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