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S&W Sigma 380 Price Help

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:11 am

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This is not meant to be a gun control thread. I have my opinion, and I don't care what yours is on the issue. I am simply looking for help regarding a gun I'll buy regardless of anti-gun statements.

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Hey guys. I'm thinking about buying a gun from a friend (yes, through an FFL of course). It is a S&W Sigma 380, used, but not many rounds fired since the last factory refresher (maybe 500 or so). Any idea of what could be a good price on this gun, as I don't know and neither does he.


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RE: S&W Sigma 380 Price Help

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
good price



Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
I don't know and neither does he

 rotfl  $40?
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:24 am

Looks like those are bringing about $300 NIB (plus shipping and FFL xfer) on a particular website I use as a market value comparison. Check your IM for more details.

You know, KelTec has their new single-stack 9mm out now and it's really small plus it's in a reasonable caliber. Most experts (and even me too) consider .380 to be the barely minimum caliber acceptable for defense purposes. It's more expensive and doesn't have nearly the variety of ammo that you can get in 9mm. If there's any way you can, I wish I could talk you into some kind of 9.

Edit: And you can pick up a Taurus 9mm PT111 (very concealable and 12 rounds) for about $350.

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RE: S&W Sigma 380 Price Help

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 2):
Looks like those are bringing about $300 NIB (plus shipping and FFL xfer) on a particular website I use as a market value comparison. Check your IM for more details.

Thanks, checked it out

Quoting Queso (Reply 2):
You know, KelTec has their new single-stack 9mm out now and it's really small plus it's in a reasonable caliber. Most experts (and even me too) consider .380 to be the barely minimum caliber acceptable for defense purposes. It's more expensive and doesn't have nearly the variety of ammo that you can get in 9mm. If there's any way you can, I wish I could talk you into some kind of 9.

I would like a 9 mm ideally, as ammo is (almost) half the price if I buy the WWB at Walmart Big grin I just figured I could get a really good deal by buying his, and one can never have too many guns now, can you? Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 3):
and one can never have too many guns now, can you?

Don't eeeeeeven get me started!
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
Don't eeeeeeven get me started!

Exactly Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 3):
and one can never have too many guns now, can you?

That's the line I use with my wife when she says,"Is that new, I've never seen it..."

Seriously, save your $$$ and get at least a 9mm. I gave my .380 to my brother-in-law. We went shooting last month and a box of FMJ ammo was $ 12.99.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:39 am

Here's a nice little piece Randy Mays wrote about one, first review on the page: http://www.randymays.com/page2.html
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 6):
We went shooting last month and a box of FMJ ammo was $ 12.99.

Runs $9.99 here for Blazer Brass.

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 6):
Seriously, save your $$$ and get at least a 9mm

Two replies telling me to do that. Maybe I should listen Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
Two replies telling me to do that. Maybe I should listen

Yeah, but ANC will be here shortly telling you that 9 is inadequate and to get a .45.

Seriously, I have a .380 and it's only because it is very tiny (KT P3-AT) and I carry it only when wearing a bathing suit or something where it would be impossible to conceal anything else. That Sigma has no size advantage over some other handguns that shoot more potent calibers.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 9):
Yeah, but ANC will be here shortly telling you that 9 is inadequate and to get a .45.

I thought Pep was a .40 S&W fan.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):

How much?
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 9):
Seriously, I have a .380 and it's only because it is very tiny (KT P3-AT) and I carry it only when wearing a bathing suit or something where it would be impossible to conceal anything else

 rotfl 

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How much?

How much what? You didn't quote anything Big grin

$9.99 for box of 50.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 11):
How much what?

The pistol. What is your friend asking for it?

Just save the money. Buy a 9 or something better. I don't want you feeling deficient at the BHM meet.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 12):
The pistol. What is your friend asking for it?

That's the purpose of this thread Big grin Find a reasonable price
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 10):
I thought Pep was a .40 S&W fan.

Yeah, I think he's an "anything but 9mm" fan (I just used .45 as an example). Gripey old git! I guess to put it in A.net terms, he's a "9mm basher".
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 14):
Yeah, I think he's an "anything but 9mm" fan (I just used .45 as an example). Gripey old git! I guess to put it in A.net terms, he's a "9mm basher".

I rather make a bunch of cheap small holes, than a few expensive big holes Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:07 am

Forget buying that. You don't want to bring a pop-gun to a tank battle.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 15):
I rather make a bunch of cheap small holes, than a few expensive big holes

You're going to show up with an SKS?
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17):
You're going to show up with an SKS?

 rotfl 

And have him and SWATPAMIKE do a bayonnet charge?

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:19 am

Sigma 9

This looks like a really good price, and 9mm. Oh well, I'm sure there'll be more of this online  Smile
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 15):
I rather make a bunch of cheap small holes, than a few expensive big holes

With a .380 you'll get a bunch of expensive small holes, unless you are reloading. Been there, done that though, reloading .380 sucks!
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 20):
With a .380 you'll get a bunch of expensive small holes, unless you are reloading. Been there, done that though, reloading .380 sucks!

I was talking 9mm  Smile
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
Sigma 9

Damn, is it just me or does anybody else really hate the cheap piece of shit slide lock on those and the proprietary light rail?

Good price on that one, though. But you get what you pay for.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 22):
proprietary light rail?

Proprietary Glock copy? Big grin

Sigma series

A Sigma pistolSmith & Wesson introduced the Sigma series of recoil-operated, locked-breech semi-auto pistols in 1994 with the Sigma 40, followed by the Sigma 9. Sigma pistols bore so much similarity to Glocks that users could reportedly interchange many parts between Glock and Sigma models. The similarities were so great that many pundits referred to the Sigma series as 'Swocks', a playful contraction of S&W and Glock. As a result, Glock initiated a patent infringement lawsuit against Smith & Wesson, which paid an undisclosed sum (the amount of three million dollars has been theorized) to Glock for infringement of their patents. S&W thereupon received the rights to continue the production of Sigma line but they were forced to redesign the pistol's trigger mechanism so that it did not infringe upon Glock's patents.


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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:31 am

FInd a Glock, SIG, Beretta, Taurus, Springfield, or a Browning. The Taurus is a reputable manufacturer; in-expensive (compared to those mentioned here).
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 24):
FInd a Glock, SIG, Beretta, Taurus, Springfield, or a Browning. The Taurus is a reputable manufacturer; in-expensive (compared to those mentioned here).

Anything but a S&W? Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 24):
Taurus is a reputable manufacturer;

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I agree. I have / had many Taurus pistols and they are a very good value for the money. I currently have 7 Taurus handguns.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:50 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 25):
Anything but a S&W?

I've never been a fan of their pistols. The Sigma just looks like a Kickey Mouse afterthought.

I don't like the Rugers either, they are investment castings; gives them that bulky look.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 27):

I've never been a fan of their pistols.

Neither have I, but I've never been a Glock fan either. Given the choice, I'd take a Glock over a S&W for sure. S&W autos always seemed to me like "me too" pistols.

I like Ruger revolvers but very much dislike their autos.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 28):
Given the choice, I'd take a Glock over a S&W for sure. S&W autos always seemed to me like "me too" pistols.

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

That's saying something there Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:30 am

I just borrowed the gun, so if anybody from the MSP area want to meet up at the Burnsville Pistol and Rifle Range on Sunday, let me know Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:33 am

Save the money your are going to plunk down on ammo for a real gun...
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 31):
Save the money your are going to plunk down on ammo for a real gun...

Hehe  Wink I already have 4 boxes laying around. Gotta use them up some time Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:48 am

Damn, I wish we could get a real gun in that boy's hands so he has something to compare it to.

He's got the fever right now so anything that goes BOOM will be his dream gun. It'll be just like when he loses his virginity, that first girl will be the one he wants to marry.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:55 am

Go for the S&W 686! Its on my wish list! You can shoot 38 special at the range, but use 357Mag for defense purposes.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 33):
Damn, I wish we could get a real gun in that boy's hands so he has something to compare it to.

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Quoting Queso (Reply 33):
He's got the fever right now so anything that goes BOOM will be his dream gun. It'll be just like when he loses his virginity, that first girl will be the one he wants to marry.

Bastards  Wink Every last one of ya! Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:06 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 33):
He's got the fever right now so anything that goes BOOM will be his dream gun. It'll be just like when he loses his virginity, that first girl will be the one he wants to marry.

It will be like riding a Mo-Ped, they're fun, until your friends see you.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 35):

Now that Ruger Super is a real hog leg. That will knock your pecker into the dirt.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 36):

Now that Ruger Super is a real hog leg. That will knock your pecker into the dirt.

Barrel on that one is longer that the one on mine and I'm not quite sure what caliber that is. I have one of these in .454 Casull:



I'll post the pic of mine when I get home, I don't have it with me right now.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 35):
Bastards

Hey, that's MR. Bastard to you! And I still stand by my original comment!

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 34):
Go for the S&W 686! Its on my wish list! You can shoot 38 special at the range, but use 357Mag for defense purposes.

Yeah, or even better would be a Ruger GP100.

Edit: looking closer at Kai's pic, that one is a 454 Casull too.

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 37):
Edit: looking closer at Kai's pic, that one is a 454 Casull too.

Sure is Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 2):
And you can pick up a Taurus 9mm PT111 (very concealable and 12 rounds) for about $350.

Now that I'm at home and not protected from those evil guns from the liberal company firewall, I took a look at this, and it sure is puuurty.

http://pictures.auctionarms.com/2003062212/0f686d55c7822721f5d39f776f1702d2.jpg
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Buy it now price of $270.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 2):
And you can pick up a Taurus 9mm PT111 (very concealable and 12 rounds) for about $350.

Taurus makes a very nice piece these days.

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 6):
That's the line I use with my wife when she says,"Is that new, I've never seen it..."

My wife's 1st reaction whenever she sees any firearm in my possession is "is that new?"

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Quoting Queso (Reply 9):
Yeah, but ANC will be here shortly telling you that 9 is inadequate and to get a .45.

I thought Pep was a .40 S&W fan.

That's because it's his duty piece.....it's also not 9mm. You guys need to understand how pissed off the Army guys got when they took our .45s away and handed us those Berettas. It's incredible how little regard most soldiers have for the round nose 9mm, especially the ones who've shot a full size soldier and not had him slow down. The Army was ready to buy new .45s until the budget cuts forced them to hold off.........it's a fact that the units that still issue .45s to their troops get better results with them than they ever did with 9mm. Now...if you're going to discuss specialty troops that make consistent combat condition head shots then it don't matter...they can use .22s.......but the average soldier that aims for center mass needs the most kinetic energy and mass traveling downrange possible.

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Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17):
You're going to show up with an SKS?



And have him and SWATPAMIKE do a bayonnet charge?

Dude....I'm taking pictures of that.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:38 am

So I went to a local sporting goods store, and saw something pretty in their display case. Both price tag and gun were pretty Big grin
It's either brand new, or damn well taken care of. Anyways, the price tag was only $279.99. I almost pulled out my credit card right then and there.

It's a S&W 669 9mm.


How would that be for a first (and for now,only) gun?
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:10 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 41):
How would that be for a first (and for now,only) gun?

Hmm...I'll have to defer to someone else as I have never fired one of those meself. The grips look good and looks like it's DAO so you'll only have to learn one trigger pull. Safety looks a little high for my taste, but that's up to you (don't know why in the hell you'd want a safety on a DAO anyway). Specs look respectable but I wonder if this is really meant to be a duty piece or is it meant to be concealed? Here's an interesting page I found about it: http://www.notpurfect.com/main/669.html

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 39):
I took a look at this, and it sure is puuurty.

Yep, I took one of those (in .40 S&W) to the BHM meet and it seemed to be well-recieved. It's not a duty piece for sure, but it's very controllable for it's size and weight and mine has been dependable and is surprisingly accurate for it's size. 12 rounds in such a small package is great! (.40 holds 10 rounds)

What's even more amazing is that they make those in .45ACP and it's only a tiny bit bigger, still holding 10 rounds! My brother has one.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 42):
Yep, I took one of those (in .40 S&W) to the BHM meet and it seemed to be well-recieved. It's not a duty piece for sure, but it's very controllable for it's size and weight and mine has been dependable and is surprisingly accurate for it's size. 12 rounds in such a small package is great! (.40 holds 10 rounds)

Yeah, they had a few Taurus PT series guns there, but not the 111. Looks like a nice gun though. One day I'll go there and actually ask to handle the guns a little. I am really tempted to buy the 669 though Big grin
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 40):
It's incredible how little regard most soldiers have for the round nose 9mm,

Yeah, for good reason. 9mm ball is not worth a shit and I can't imagine why they let our boys (and girls) carry 9mm since they can only carry FMJ's. Those guys really do need .45's or 10mm's (I wouldn't even feel good about a .40 FMJ).
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting Queso (Reply 44):
I can't imagine why they let our boys (and girls) carry 9mm since they can only carry FMJ's.

Has to do with the whole NATO thing about standardization.
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Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:14 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 44):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 40):
It's incredible how little regard most soldiers have for the round nose 9mm,

Yeah, for good reason. 9mm ball is not worth a shit and I can't imagine why they let our boys (and girls) carry 9mm since they can only carry FMJ's. Those guys really do need .45's or 10mm's (I wouldn't even feel good about a .40 FMJ).

It was a political/ordnance/supply issue that had to do with NATO standardization and the distribution of ammo during a large scale conflict. Two different pistol/subgun ammos was a hassle and the idea that a pistol was all that necessary anyway was beyond the imagination of some senior supply officers and political hacks. Plus there was that additional capacity issue where they assumed that the higher velocity and additional rounds available would make up for the smaller mass. They neglected to account for the fact that in the military most pistol shots are so close you can't really miss and that the .45 worked EVERY TIME while forgetting the lessons of closer tolerance newer weapons they learned with the M-16 replacing the M-14.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 41):
Anyways, the price tag was only $279.99. I almost pulled out my credit card right then and there.

Kai...it's a nice weapon, but for your first handgun I'd say get a .357 revolver and learn the basics. It's statistically the most effective one shot stopper (nebulous but somehow reassuring) and ultimate in reliability. Only get a semi-automatic if you're willing to spend the time at the range learning the additional things you must learn for a pistol over a revolver. Either one takes range time to ensure you know how to use it effectively, but an auto takesmore time due to having to learn how to handle stoppages, stovepipes, misfires, misfeeds, safety, etc.

Short answer...the Smith pistol you showed is an excellent value and very reliable. However....my advice is start with a full to mid-size .357 revolver. Smith, Colt or Taurus.
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RE: S&W Sigma 380 Price Help

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 41):
It's a S&W 669 9mm.

Looks like S&W keep the same styling for their guns:
My S&W 4046:
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RE: S&W Sigma 380 Price Help

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 45):
Has to do with the whole NATO thing about standardization.



Quoting DL021 (Reply 46):
It was a political/ordnance/supply issue that had to do with NATO standardization

Yeah, I know. But it still sucks.

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 47):
Looks like S&W keep the same styling for their guns:

And they stole their takedown method from Sig.
 
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RE: S&W Sigma 380 Price Help

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 48):
And they stole their takedown method from Sig.

A few friends of mine have Sigs, but I've never really noticed.
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