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Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:34 pm

Australia and New Zealands biggest selling vehicle, GMs Holden Commordore will be on Americas roads soon as the Pontiac G8. The Holden Commodore SS V8 (Pontiac G8) with a 270Kw 6.0litre engine will be released at the upcoming Detroit car show.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3923090a6026.html
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/modeloverview?modelid=4006

The Australian Police departments use the Holden Commordore SS, as well as other Commordore models. The New Zealand police also use the Holden Commordore, but not the SS model and recently signed a new 6 year deal with the New Zealand police for being the polices only vehicle supplier
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:54 pm

I imagine it will get a mild style make over like what they did with the Monaro/GTO model.
 
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:03 pm

How much horsepower is 270 kW?

That car looks great, hopefully it will do well for Pontiac. Now Ford just needs to do the same with the car they sell in Australia, but not in the US. The name of this car escapes me at the minute though...

Good luck GM. Oh, and please make sure it is RWD. Nothing will kill it faster, as seen with the Impala SS and Grand Prix GXP.


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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:42 pm

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 2):
How much horsepower is 270 kW?

362. But if your lucky you could get a 307kw version which is equal to 411hp
 
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:49 pm

The American cops will love them as much as the Dodge Charger.  Big grin



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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:06 pm

Wrong Model. You will get the VE based version, as the car pictured is no longer in production.

This is what you will get

 
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:08 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
This is what you will get

Will they place the steering wheel on the correct side?

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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:14 pm

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 2):
Now Ford just needs to do the same with the car they sell in Australia, but not in the US. The name of this car escapes me at the minute though...

It's the Falcon! 4 litre straight 6 or V8, RWD. I own the Luxury version, the Fairmont (previous model though - from 2002). Superfly would approve of this one.



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
The American cops will love them as much as the Dodge Charger

The cops here love them as well - That is a perfect impersonation of an unmarked traffic car! I dare say the owner of that one has everyone on the road making way for him!
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:16 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 3):
Quoting JetsGo (Reply 2):
How much horsepower is 270 kW?

362. But if your lucky you could get a 307kw version which is equal to 411hp

I've driven a 300kw Ford Falcon FPV GT-P beast several times at work and it was wicked leaving everyone in my dust at the traffic lights, all you have to remember is to make sure the anti-skid button is on, or you will leave one very long burn out skid. I got some nice and weird looks from people

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
The American cops will love them as much as the Dodge Charger.

Wrong model mate, the new model is 100% times better. I've driven the new model and I loved it.....if only I had a spare $50,000 needed to purchase one.
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Ponti

Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:17 pm

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 6):
Will they place the steering wheel on the correct side?

No way man, leave it where it is! It'll save me from having to walk my lazy butt around the back of my car when making traffic stops.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:38 pm

Yea, well the last Holden sent to the USA, the Pontiac GTO, went over like a lead baloon in sales. While great preforming cars, they just didn't look right, just too bland in their style. Americans want their big RWD cars to look more squared off, musclar and flashy, like the successful Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger. Even Ford is showing at the Detroit Auto Show several large RWD car proposals that have the more squared off look of the '300'.
Right now GM has some serious problems with sales in the USA and I don't think a US version of the Holden Commodore will work here.
 
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:15 pm

Ive actually spoke with some Highway Patrol Officers and they said the SS is an absolute bitch to drive and Prefer the XR8's which their arent many left in fleet at present because of safety issues,Stalling,flat batteries etc and overall they prefer the XR6 turbo which are 240Kw and give more power off standing start and can kick some serious dust up when they give it to it.

I have actual pics of VE SS in marked NSW HWP but wasnt given permission to post the shots online anywhere due to how i got the shots...Sucks!

Here's some of my own personal shots of all three
Holden SS
http://www.cardatabase.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00050071
http://www.cardatabase.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00051081

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http://www.cardatabase.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00050647 (Unmarked)
http://www.cardatabase.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00048758

XR8's
http://www.cardatabase.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00050544
 
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 11):
overall they prefer the XR6 turbo

Yep can vouch for that. Owner of the XR6 that I have driven also drove the XR8 before buying the XR6 as he preferred it too.
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Australia and New Zealands biggest selling vehicle, GMs Holden Commordore will be on Americas roads soon as the Pontiac G8. The Holden Commodore SS V8 (Pontiac G8) with a 270Kw 6.0litre engine will be released at the upcoming Detroit car show.

Strangely enough, that car is sold here in the Middle East as the Chevrolet Caprice. We also have the Lumina SS and LS available, I think they are both based on Holden cars but they are branded with the Chevrolet brand.
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Australia and New Zealands biggest selling vehicle, GMs Holden Commordore will be on Americas roads soon as the Pontiac G8.

A big thumbs up to GM for finally realizing that the way they build them here in the US just ain't cutting it.

As the owner of a 2004 GTO (see pics in profile) I can attest to the fact that if GM USA could build a car like the boys from OZ, GM wouldn't be in the financial sh*thouse it's in.
Say what you will about the styling, but my GTO is one bad ass machine!

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
Yea, well the last Holden sent to the USA, the Pontiac GTO, went over like a lead baloon in sales.

Yea, yea, I have heard this, ad nausem. I really don't think it was so bad. In the three year run, Pontiac sold nearly 38000 GTO's. Granted, that is shy of the 18000 units/yr that were slated, but not all that bad.

I am excited to see GM going out and finding good solid platforms from it's global warehouse, and utilizing them to rejuvinate Pontiac. I have seen some sneak peeks at upcoming Pontiac products, and IMHO, Pontiac's future looks bright, indeed!

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Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:55 pm

I want to see the SS Ute brought over here and rebadged as the new El Camino. I'd be first on the list to get one of those bad ass cars.
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:34 pm

Basically my understanding is that Holden is the lead for the development of what has become of the Zeta platform vehicles... that is the high volume RWD GM cars, not Sigma which underpins the RWD Cadillacs.

I have no idea how radically GM plans to rework the Holdens, but I suspect it'll be a bit more extensive than putting the steering wheel on the left side and swapping badges and grills like they did w/ the Monaro/GTO. But they will be built in Australia and shipped to the US for sale, at least that is what I have read thus far.

All this points towards is a much more cohesive product strategy, and better global utilization of resources, by GM in distinguishing its product lines. For Pontiac is means becoming the performance division, and that means having RWD based vehicles. The current and upcoming crop of GM cars really does give me hope that they will turn around. GM has the talent and capability to build good cars that people want to buy (I've been drooling over the 2008 Cadillac CTS since it was unveiled yesterday). And their sales numbers, plus rapidly decreasing incentive monies points in that direction.
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:52 pm

Well this car reads great on paper in terms of specs but why didn't Holden complete the job by giving the car some style?  confused 
It looks like a puffed up Honda Accord.

Quoting Melpax (Reply 7):
Superfly would approve of this one.

Yes that is a nice car and I wish that was sold here in North America instead of the current Five Hundred / Montego.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
Yea, well the last Holden sent to the USA, the Pontiac GTO, went over like a lead baloon in sales. While great preforming cars, they just didn't look right, just too bland in their style.

Agreed.
The coupe they send over should have been called the Chevrolet Beretta. I think that is a cool name for a car but the original was very weak and bland. Then the Pontiac could have had a dressed up version with a boxier trim and that could have been the GTO.
Under the hood, those cars are fantastic.


Here in California, the police are sticking with the Ford Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor.
I really wish Ford would drop in the current 5.4 liter in to the current Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis and Town Car.
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Here in California, the police are sticking with the Ford Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor.
I really wish Ford would drop in the current 5.4 liter in to the current Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis and Town Car.

According to the below-post, Ford has a RWD Concept Car called the Interceptor at this year's Detroit Auto Show. Hopefully, it will come to the Philly Auto Show this February.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
Americans want their big RWD cars to look more squared off, musclar and flashy, like the successful Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger. Even Ford is showing at the Detroit Auto Show several large RWD car proposals that have the more squared off look of the '300'.

No pics of this concept are available as of yet, but according to one article I read in the local newspaper; the concept car is modeled after the big Ford sedans of the 60s. 'Fly, maybe that Continental concept car of a few years ago may be revived into a production model after all. Let's just hope CAFE doesn't kill it.

Back to the Holden-based Pontiac G8. As 'Fly mentioned, it looks too much like an over-dressed Honda-Accord. Plus it lappears too small to be a flagship model. Heck, both the current G6 & Grand Prix sedans have 112" & 110" wheelbases respectively. In comparison, the Crown Vic. & 300 have 114.7" & 120" wheelbases respectively (not counting any stretched models).
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
According to the below-post, Ford has a RWD Concept Car called the Interceptor at this year's Detroit Auto Show. Hopefully, it will come to the Philly Auto Show this February.

Sounds like it will be the Ford version of the Lincoln LS.
The press is boasting about it being 'based off the Mustang' when in reality, the fmr. LS and fmr. Thunderbird were the original models on that platform.
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:32 am

Check here for a rundown of the upcoming Pontiac lineup and a sweet pic of the G8 Concept!

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37381

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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:44 am

I suppose it was necessary to replace downdraft carburetors with fuel injection in order to get these to run in the northern hemisphere. Or do you run updraft down under?  Smile
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 21):
I suppose it was necessary to replace downdraft carburetors with fuel injection in order to get these to run in the northern hemisphere. Or do you run updraft down under? Smile

Actually SlamClick, I was thinking they'd need to downspec the Commodore a bit for the US market; live rear axle, elliptical springs, pillow soft suspension and crappy build quality  Wink
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Ponti

Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:16 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Here in California, the police are sticking with the Ford Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor.

However, in Alaska, in a poster boy for cop recruitment pose, ANCFLYER demonstrates his affection for tradition...

 
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:06 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 15):
I want to see the SS Ute brought over here and rebadged as the new El Camino. I'd be first on the list to get one of those bad ass cars.

You probably will. At this point there is no Zeta based ute avaliable as design and development is on going.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 16):
Basically my understanding is that Holden is the lead for the development of what has become of the Zeta platform vehicles... that is the high volume RWD GM cars, not Sigma which underpins the RWD Cadillacs.

Correct. Holden in the lead RWD development centre. The Zeta platform has been rumored to be the basis of over 100 new models. When Holden wanted to replace the old v-car platform, they went to the GM catalog of platforms and found nothing that would suit. Previous Commodores had all been based on European cars. However, this time they had to go with a clean sheet design.

The design is such that a worked over version for the US could be dramatically different, while being much the same. The Australian version of the car has various different dash combinations varying based on trim level. So interior wise, they could look very different and the same for the exterior.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:14 am

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 14):
As the owner of a 2004 GTO (see pics in profile) I can attest to the fact that if GM USA could build a car like the boys from OZ, GM wouldn't be in the financial sh*thouse it's in.
Say what you will about the styling, but my GTO is one bad ass machine!

What's up mate....2004 GTO owner here as well. If you're not a member over at LS1GTO.com come and join us...
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:36 am

Quoting Skyway1 (Reply 25):
What's up mate....2004 GTO owner here as well.

Awesome man! Then I know you know where I'm coming from. Say what you will about the GTO styling(which I love, btw), but once you drive one, you won't care what it looks like!

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Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 26):
Awesome man! Then I know you know where I'm coming from. Say what you will about the GTO styling(which I love, btw), but once you drive one, you won't care what it looks like!

Great car for sure......wish more people would go out and drive one....

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Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:48 pm

Quoting Skyway1 (Reply 27):
wish more people would go out and drive one....

True, but I like to think of it as belonging to an "exclusive" group!

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Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:59 pm

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 28):
True, but I like to think of it as belonging to an "exclusive" group!

You're more exclusive than me driving a Yellow Jacket......I have a Phantom Black....

You a member at LS1GTO??? I'm sure if you are you know I am roffle...
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:02 pm

Quoting Skyway1 (Reply 29):
You a member at LS1GTO??? I'm sure if you are you know I am roffle...

I am now. Just joined. "macgto"

Quoting Skyway1 (Reply 29):
I have a Phantom Black...

There is a dealer here in town that has an 05 Phantom Black, automatic, with 2K on the clock for $19K. Would have been mine, had it been a 6 spd.

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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 30):
There is a dealer here in town that has an 05 Phantom Black, automatic, with 2K on the clock for $19K. Would have been mine, had it been a 6 spd.

Awesome deal....just make sure it isn't a flood or salvage car.....we keep a good track on cars that have been moved and put up for resale.

The famous YJ Katrina GTO was on sale months later by a salvage joint states away from NOLA...

Haha I need to check my messages....
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting Skyway1 (Reply 31):
The famous YJ Katrina GTO was on sale months later by a salvage joint states away from NOLA...

Nope, mine's clean. It was a one owner Pa car. Came out of the Pittsburgh area.

I saw that Katrina car. Made me sick when I saw the pics. Even sicker that it showed up for sale!

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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:31 pm

Well that's a great deal for sure. Put some long tube headers on and get a tune on that sucker. Just a tune is worth every penny...
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:34 pm

Quoting Skyway1 (Reply 33):
Well that's a great deal for sure. Put some long tube headers on and get a tune on that sucker. Just a tune is worth every penny...

Well, the previous owner has already installed a SLP exhaust, and intake. Believe me, she's got a tune! Sweeeeeeeeeeet!

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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:35 pm

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=62133
Images of what the VE utes will possibly look like.
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:38 pm

Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 35):
Images of what the VE utes will possibly look like.

Hey Aussie!
That Ute is awesome!
Thanks the boys at Holden for me, will ya?

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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:41 pm

That's a badass Ute for sure....there were 2 current generation Utes running around Woodward during the dream cruise....
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting DeskPilot (Reply 22):
Actually SlamClick, I was thinking they'd need to downspec the Commodore a bit for the US market; live rear axle, elliptical springs, pillow soft suspension and crappy build quality

hehe nice one... now as someone asked earlier who Richard Hammond was... well he's on this show called TopGear and the 3 presenters (Jeremy Clarkson in particular) love to make comments similar to the one you have just seen... very funny!  Smile
Ford F-150 for example... is the steering wheel actually connected to anything? It has so much give!
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:31 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 38):
hehe nice one... now as someone asked earlier who Richard Hammond was... well he's on this show called TopGear and the 3 presenters (Jeremy Clarkson in particular) love to make comments similar to the one you have just seen... very funny! Smile
Ford F-150 for example... is the steering wheel actually connected to anything? It has so much give!

Jeremy loves bagging poor quality cars, but he certainly enjoys it on US cars. The F-150 review was hilarious !
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 23):
However, in Alaska, in a poster boy for cop recruitment pose, ANCFLYER demonstrates his affection for tradition...

 confused 

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 15):
I want to see the SS Ute brought over here and rebadged as the new El Camino. I'd be first on the list to get one of those bad ass cars.

Let's not forget the GMC Caballero.  Smile


You know GM missed the boa AGAIN with that stupid SSR. I mean, what the hell is it? It's not a truck, it's not a sports car. I am kind of lost as to what they were trying to achive with that thing.
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 14):
if GM USA could build a car like the boys from OZ, GM wouldn't be in the financial sh*thouse it's in.

Unfortunately one doesn't necessarily follow the other. Can't find a link but in the Paper today GMH is only now about to file 2005's result and it looks like it will be around a $200 Million loss. 2006 result may be filed around mid year and could be worse.
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 24):
You probably will. At this point there is no Zeta based ute avaliable as design and development is on going.

I hope they don't screw it up. I want the bad ass SS Ute with the 6.0L V8 engine. Environment be damned! (just kidding but I really do want this car.)
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Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting TSV (Reply 41):
GMH is only now about to file 2005's result and it looks like it will be around a $200 Million loss.

I hear ya.
My point mainly refered to the quality of the Holden product, specifically, my GTO, compared to some of the crap that comes out of Detroit. Americans are so in love with Japenese brands that it makes the quality of GM USA products look very poor. Granted, GM has made great strides in the past few years, and their products are becoming more and more on par with the Japanese brands. But, based on my expirience with my GTO, there are just so many things, from a design and engineering standpoint, that are so far above what is created in Detroit, GM could really learn a lesson here.
Case in point. Detroit could never produce an interior like that on my GTO. I have been in many current GM models, and though the design and quality of materials used is far superior than a few years ago, the devil is in the details. The fit and finish and the choice of materials in my GTO are head and shoulders above. Tight gaps. Soft plastics. No junky rough edges. Smooth seams. These are the little things that make a design standout.

No one model of car is going to cure GM overnight. I am glad to see them finally looking in their global warehouse for fresh direction.

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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 43):
my GTO

Don't blame you for loving your GTO - very nice car. I get really mad with the bloke a couple of doors down the road - he leaves his Monaro out on the road! Don't know what he's got in his garage but if I see the Monaro out on the road much more I'm going to offer him our garage to put it in!
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:19 pm

Quoting QR332 (Reply 13):
Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Australia and New Zealands biggest selling vehicle, GMs Holden Commordore will be on Americas roads soon as the Pontiac G8. The Holden Commodore SS V8 (Pontiac G8) with a 270Kw 6.0litre engine will be released at the upcoming Detroit car show.

Strangely enough, that car is sold here in the Middle East as the Chevrolet Caprice. We also have the Lumina SS and LS available, I think they are both based on Holden cars but they are branded with the Chevrolet brand.

There is a Holden Commordore limited edition Lumina.
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:15 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 45):
Quoting QR332 (Reply 13):
Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Australia and New Zealands biggest selling vehicle, GMs Holden Commordore will be on Americas roads soon as the Pontiac G8. The Holden Commodore SS V8 (Pontiac G8) with a 270Kw 6.0litre engine will be released at the upcoming Detroit car show.

Strangely enough, that car is sold here in the Middle East as the Chevrolet Caprice. We also have the Lumina SS and LS available, I think they are both based on Holden cars but they are branded with the Chevrolet brand.

There is a Holden Commordore limited edition Lumina

The Lumina is the Commodore re-badged for middle east markets.
 
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:50 pm

export them all so I don't have to see them on the drive to work....
Yuck they're tasteless cars for guys called Muzza or Bazza who wear tight black jeans and ACDC shirts.
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 47):
Yuck they're tasteless cars for guys called Muzza or Bazza who wear tight black jeans and ACDC shirts.

Muzz and Bazz usually drive VL's or VNs. VE's are driven by Gazz, Greg and Dave.
 
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RE: Holden Commordore SS V8 Coming To USA As Pontiac

Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:35 pm

Link to an Oz forum discussing this same topic - a couple of interesting rumors there as well.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=81167&page=1&pp=25
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