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TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:06 pm

I can't wait to hear, we'd love to open more lines but the union won't let us.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2007/01/08/AR2007010801474.html
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:12 pm

Great. Another excuse for the TSA to be lazy.
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:12 pm

Federal Employees Unionized . . .

Talk about a double dose of Fon't Give a Damn. . . .

First, the worthless TSA - you know,the folks that couldn't find their asses with both hands and a Cavalry Scout Troop - can't function day to day without screwing something up on a grand scale . . .

And now, the worthless TSA - the same morons that can't find their asses with both hands and a Cavalry Scout Platoon - can now blame it all on the Union!

 faint 

What a nightmare. Disolve the useless operation and start over.
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:56 pm

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 1):
Another excuse for the TSA to be lazy.

Yup, yup!

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Disolve the useless operation and start over.

The TSA hasn't really accomplished squat at any of the U.S. airports. Whats the point?! But I agree with ANCFlyer!
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:58 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):

What a nightmare.

Just what we need, Those guys couldn't find Jimmy Hoffa's body, let alone a hijacker.
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:51 pm

I'm looking forward to the day the TSA goes on strike. The president fires the whole workforce, and we get some people with at least 1st grade educations protecting out airports.
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:33 pm

I'm curious to know why they think they need a union?

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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Federal Employees Unionized . . .

Talk about a double dose of Fon't Give a Damn. . . .

First, the worthless TSA - you know,the folks that couldn't find their asses with both hands and a Cavalry Scout Troop - can't function day to day without screwing something up on a grand scale . . .

And now, the worthless TSA - the same morons that can't find their asses with both hands and a Cavalry Scout Platoon - can now blame it all on the Union!

What a nightmare. Disolve the useless operation and start over.

Wonderful. I can see it now, Colleen Kelley bitching about the poor plight of the downtrodden TSA worker.  vomit 
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:41 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 5):
and we get some people with at least 1st grade educations protecting out airports.

Somehow I don't know wether it'd really be a negative change...
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:25 pm

TSA agents have a right to be unionized for collective bargaining purposes as was included in the bill introduced yesterday in the Congress of the USA. There is no doubt that this was a major symbolic act of the now Democratic Party controlled Congress to support workers and union, where they get a lot of support and votes from major unions.
Allowing TSA agents to have a union doesn't mean they can strike, indeed that would still be forbidden, but more importantly, they can be protected in situations of 'whistleblowing', criticizing the TSA's procedures, policies, workers managers, prevent abuses of employees by their managers and assure proper procedures and legal protections in case of disipline. Indeed, this may make the TSA better by providing a more secure employment situation, thus a more productive enviroment for TSA agents and probably better security for all.
 
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:36 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Allowing TSA agents to have a union doesn't mean they can strike, indeed that would still be forbidden, but more importantly, they can be protected in situations of 'whistleblowing', criticizing the TSA's procedures, policies, workers managers, prevent abuses of employees by their managers and assure proper procedures and legal protections in case of disipline.

No. What it means is that we will have yet another group of federal employees who can't ever be fired for incompetence, laziness or when they physically threaten their co-workers. I know, because we have examples of all three currently working in my office, and the f-ing personnel shop won't let us take action against them.

I can tell that you really have no clue how screwed up the federal civil service is.
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
we will have yet another group of federal employees who can't ever be fired for incompetence, laziness or when they physically threaten their co-workers. I know, because we have examples of all three currently working in my office, and the f-ing personnel shop won't let us take action against them.

Might I suggest you try to do what my grandfather did and have these folks declared looney. I believe you can have them removed from their jobs if declared mentally incompetent.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
they can be protected in situations of 'whistleblowing', criticizing the TSA's procedures,

You're assuming someone who can barely find their butt with both hands can have the thought processes to criticize procedures.  sarcastic 

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Indeed, this may make the TSA better by providing a more secure employment situation, thus a more productive enviroment for TSA agents and probably better security for all.

Now that's funny. TSA does nothing more than the fast food rejects we had before them under the private contractors. Oh wait, they are the same group of folks...the paycheck just changed.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Allowing TSA agents to have a union doesn't mean they can strike, indeed that would still be forbidden

Source? Are you thinking they will fall under the old railroad law? If they want to strike as a union I can guaran-damn-tee you they will strike. I still laugh at Tom Daschle's comment about how "you can't professionalize unless you unionize."
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:59 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
No. What it means is that we will have yet another group of federal employees who can't ever be fired for incompetence, laziness or when they physically threaten their co-workers. I know, because we have examples of all three currently working in my office, and the f-ing personnel shop won't let us take action against them.

Spot on Halls.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
I can tell that you really have no clue how screwed up the federal civil service is.

Likely THE most screwed up operation I have ever witnessed. Unless you commit a felony in the work place, your chances of being fired from Civil Service is slim to none . . .

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Indeed, this may make the TSA better by providing a more secure employment situation, thus a more productive enviroment for TSA agents and probably better security for all.

 rotfl   faint 

Can't believe youjust said that LTBEWR . . . you're smarter than that . . .
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:06 am

Marvellous. The sooner they all go on strike and passenger movement thorugh US airports immediately runs more efficiently and smoothly the better  Wink
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:35 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
You're assuming someone who can barely find their butt with both hands can have the thought processes

This is the kind of person that unions easily attract.
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Indeed, this may make the TSA better by providing a more secure employment situation, thus a more productive enviroment for TSA agents and probably better security for all.

When you get a chance, go to France and deal a little with the administration there to get an idea of how terribly, horribly, fundamentally wrong that statement is... Big grin
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:30 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
This is the kind of person that unions easily attract.

Sad but true...

ANC, I agree with everything you said here... The TSA needs to be disbanded and reformed, maybe have the National Guard perform their job...

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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting KBFIspotter (Reply 16):
The TSA needs to be disbanded and reformed, maybe have the National Guard perform their job...

While I agree that the TSA needs an overhaul, I think the national guard has thier hands full with a few other priorities these days.

But the TSA unionizing...Hmmm with only 3/4 flights a day at my home airport that actually screen bags, and only the AS 732C that gets passenger screening. I might just have to go sign up for this one. I see how they are out here now, the union would only make it that much worse.
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:33 am

Do
Not
Let
This
Happen


Do what you must. Fight your own union if they support it. Letters to Congress, the President. File lawsuits. Anything.

When PATCO (the other stellar example of unionized bureaucrats) was talking about going on the strike that lead to their self-destruction, the Air Route Traffic Control Centers around the country gave briefings to airlines and other operators and interested parties. I attended one of these briefings on behalf of my employer, a Part 121 airline.

One of the things that was just said in passing was something about their "sabotage contingency" plans. The briefer was headed off in some other direction when a friend and I stopped him abruptly and asked him to elaborate on that.

Seems they knew if the talks deteriorated past a certain point that acts of sabotage "would be" carried out against air traffic control facilities.

This from Air Traffic Controllers, a group of people with intelligence, responsibility and education lightyears ahead of the average TSA whiteshirt.

I am not willing to have airports defended by unionized government workers.
I am a member in good standing of a labor union and my conscience and judgement just will not permit this.
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:04 am

Oh great, unionized Rent-a-cops......

Thankfully since these folks have come on board, I've only had to deal with them @ ATL and @ LAS. Most of the ones I've dealt with @ ATL (Most of them while I was a SIDA badged employee.) didn't have a clue, while the ones @ LAS seem to know what they're doing (At least the ones working the checkpoints to the D Gates seem to).
 
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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:14 am

Why should there be any unions for government jobs? There's no reason for them except to try and get more money and benefits at the expense of taxpayers, the people who actually contribute to the economy.

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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:49 am

The problem is that they're just too incompetent. They're creating arbitrary rules and regulations that really make no logical or reasonable sense. For example, limiting fluid containers to 3.4oz. What the hell difference does it make if I take my 4oz container of hair gel, shaving cream, etc. ?

Another reason the TSA has their heads up their asses: Pilots need to be exempt from these kinds of laws. Yes, after the london attempted attacks, pilots had to surrender their hair gel.

And these idiots, who have failed time and time again tests of competency (undercover tests seeing if items will be caught), now want to be unionized so their standards can fall even MORE below competent? They want a Union because they don't want to be laid off for f*cking up more than once.

I'd love to see these idiots try and strike. If anyone, they'd be the ones with the balls to do it.

I still remember this wannabe in one of my college german classes (don't know how he was allowed to just take a single class at a university), who used to work for the TSA, and used to wear his ENTIRE TSA uniform, badge and all, to class. Biggest tool I've ever seen.

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RE: TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon

Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:31 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
Just what we need, Those guys couldn't find Jimmy Hoffa's body, let alone a hijacker.

With all due respect, I didn't think the TSA was responsible for finding Jimmy Hoffa's body. So I didn't think they were looking as hard....

But to be frank, you are correct in the statement in that they couldn't find a hijacker... What? and stop reading GLOBE and NATIONAL ENQUIRER!!!
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