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Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:52 am

Let's imagine that futurology is a widely accepted field science. I'm not going to explore whether it is or not. Let's just say it is.

The most intimate decisions made by homo sapiens sapiens often relate to who to f*ck, and when to do it. Further, we do so under the cover and the gloss of love, supposedly the most elevated of emotions, particularly pertaining to the love that gives no regard to self.

Comes now, the idea that even the most human, the most personal of emotions, may be reified in some way by mechanical means. And I'm not talking about sex toys.

To cut to the chase, gentlepersons: Humanity, to say nothing of sex, as we know it, will not exist only in its present form in two centuries.

Kindly see, e.g.:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/1/rubin.htm

from which is taken,

Quote:
Wretched Body, Liberated Mind

In their work Beyond Humanity: Cyberevolution and Future Minds, evolutionary biologist Gregory Paul and artificial intelligence expert Earl D. Cox put the case for human extinction rather succinctly: “First we suffer, then we die. This is the great human dilemma.” As the extinctionists see it, the problem with human life is not simply suffering and death but the tyranny of desire: “I resent the fact,” says Carnegie Mellon University roboticist Hans Moravec, “that I have these very insistent drives which take an enormous amount of effort to satisfy and are never completely appeased.” Inventor Ray Kurzweil anticipates that by 2019 virtual sex, performed with the aid of various mechanisms providing complete sensory feedback, will be preferred for its ability “to enhance both experience and safety.” But this is clearly only the beginning of the story:

["]Group sex will take on new meaning in that more than one person can simultaneously share the experience of one partner … (perhaps the one virtual body will reflect a consensus of the attempted movements of the multiple partners). A whole audience of people—who may be geographically dispersed—could share one virtual body while engaged in sexual experience with one performer.["]

Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail?

[Edited 2007-01-12 18:00:47]
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:06 am

Thanks for not starting another Pelosi bashing thread.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Thanks for not starting another Pelosi bashing thread.

I'm sure she'll be worked into it before long, stay tuned!
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:12 am

Maybe instead of sharing this with A.net... you should be sharing it with your wife?

If she knew within a few years she might be sexually fulfilled by robots... it might be enough to keep her with your crazy ass!!  rotfl 

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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:12 am

Dude, you really need to get out of the house more.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:13 am

Did I mention that Pelosi is actually a "fembot"?

... Just joshin' ya, guys.

Seriously. The future. It's scary.

This is the thread where you get to talk about Kurzweil and pals and about, possibly, how you and I and everyone else can get out of our minds, and into the great electronic abyss, centuries from now.

As to the merits of getting out more:

You know, there's a little place out in Malibu... aaaaaand, there's a brushfire. Enough of that.

[Edited 2007-01-12 18:15:17]
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:14 am

Well, if you really want to wait until 2019 to get some (albeit virtually), be my guest. However, I would offer that the quote below is an indicator that you may find it advantageous to get in the game sooner rather than later:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Further, we do so under the cover and the gloss of love, supposedly the most elevated of emotions, particularly pertaining to the love that gives no regard to self.

Love as "gloss" or "cover"? Methinks you need to get out more.

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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:15 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 5):
It's scary.

So are you.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 7):
So are you.

Thanks! I really, really try.

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Love as "gloss" or "cover"? Methinks you need to get out more.

That would be two of the same kind of comment. Three, and we'll have a hat trick.

"What's love go to do with it, do with it?" Not just a song for the 'Eighties.

Fans of biological determinism would probably understand the reference.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:32 am

AerospaceFan:




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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:39 am

^^ Duly noted, Mr. T. Love the haircut.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
That would be two of the same kind of comment. Three, and we'll have a hat trick.

You need to get out more.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 11):
You need to get out more.

And the credit for the assist goes to....

Well, I guess to everyone who posts on the Internet.

Woulda thunk it?

You. Me. Accomplices to the future cyberization of mankind. It's enough to make you want to turn a page.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 11):
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):That would be two of the same kind of comment. Three, and we'll have a hat trick.

You need to get out more.

With four do we get eggroll?

You need to get out more. Perhaps a nice weekend in San Francisco.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
With four do we get eggroll?

Only if you choose from Column "B", and you didn't, so you're screwed.

But seriously, Futurama-fans....
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14):
Only if you choose from Column "B", and you didn't, so you're screwed.

I'm a top, I never get screwed.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:03 am

And why would robots want to "do it" with us? I can see how you could use a computer program in a game console to your pleasure, but why would robots want to have intercourse, or even petting, with frail and stupid humans?
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Deskflier (Reply 16):
And why would robots want to "do it" with us? I can see how you could use a computer program in a game console to your pleasure, but why would robots want to have intercourse, or even petting, with frail and stupid humans?

I think that the premise is that since human beings will initially be cyberneticized, as the process has already been begun through the use of prosthetics, orthotics, and the like, the robots spoken of would essentially be us. The replacement of biological parts would continue along a path toward neural subsitution. Work has already begun toward various analogous ameliorative and other neurological interfaces.

Kurzweil and others have also spoken of the "uploading" of our intelligence to machines in order to prevent us from dying when our bodies fail for reasons of old age.

[Edited 2007-01-12 19:12:38]
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 17):
dying when our bodies fail of old age.

As an avid motorcyclist, I don´t give that possibility much thought. It would actually be a nice surprise if old age turns out to be the reason for my death.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting Deskflier (Reply 18):
As an avid motorcyclist, I don´t give that possibility much thought. It would actually be a nice surprise if old age turns out to be the reason for my death.

I admire you for your courage and dedication.

The article, I think, addresses the desires of those who might think that a nearly complete fusion of man and machine could occur in the intermediate future -- one that, because of its scale, will involve neither you, nor me.

It is virtually certain that none of us currently posting on the Internet, no matter how young, will be alive when the full implications of the futurology I cited become clear.

[Edited 2007-01-12 19:18:59]
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:24 am

Every compliment paid to this idea, every argument in support, every opinion to the effect that it is inevitable is inextricably rooted in the concept that the individual self is more important than all other selves combined. Narcissm and self indulgence to triumph over the entire biosphere.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
I resent the fact,” says Carnegie Mellon University roboticist Hans Moravec, “that I have these very insistent drives which take an enormous amount of effort to satisfy and are never completely appeased.”

All of these are engineered by evolution (or intelligently designed by a white, blue-eyed God)  flamed  to advance THE SPECIES. To the species the individual simply does not matter as long as there are lots of individuals. Don't believe that - just have a pet rabbit some time. Rabbits have many offspring because most of them die young.

Now here we are conquering one disease after another and not about to come up with any good ideas about what to do with all the excess human beings overgrazing the planet and everyone, it seems, with a soapbox to stand on now wants to be immortal and is willing to be frozen or become a machine to do it.

Sorry folks but this whole concept is porn. Interactive, but serving porn purposes and, thus, precisely equal in merit to chewing gum. It is a way to pass time.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:28 am

SlamClick -- excellent points! Very good, indeed.

The question now in my mind is whether the desire for immortality is meritorious. It is certainly interesting in a detached sort of way to be able to see the universe progress in the fullness of time, to see galaxies rise and fall, and to see the fate of all there is. But -- from the standpoint of a single consciousness, a single perceiver? All alone, in the dark? For aeons that pass, one second at a time?

This question of immortality isn't answered by any religion, any more than by science, save as to those that place nirvana at the center. As I understand it, the achievement of same is not that of self, but of a selfless merger into the greatness of the universe. It's certainly an opposite pole from the idea that one must live forever.

As once I must have read: Heaven must be boring, because, there, we are condemned to live.
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Correction:

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Let's imagine that futurology is a widely accepted field of science.

As corrected.

[Edited 2007-01-12 19:39:27]
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
[Edited 2007-01-12 18:00:47]



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 5):
[Edited 2007-01-12 18:15:17]



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 17):
[Edited 2007-01-12 19:12:38]



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 19):
[Edited 2007-01-12 19:18:59]



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 21):
[Edited 2007-01-12 19:39:27]

Why can't you write a post without having to go back and edit it?

When you click the "POST THE MESSAGE" button... you are brought to a screen allowing you to preview your post. The purpose is for you to make your edits/corrections iBEFORE posting it.  Yeah sure

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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 22):
Why can't you write a post without having to go back and edit it?

The last time I asked that question, I was told, "Don't respond to my posts for 30 minutes then".
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 11):
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
That would be two of the same kind of comment. Three, and we'll have a hat trick.

You need to get out more.



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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 3):
Maybe instead of sharing this with A.net... you should be sharing it with your wife?

Making an assumption here..

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 23):
The last time I asked that question, I was told, "Don't respond to my posts for 30 minutes then".

Just enough time for the tylenol to kick in, from trying to figure what he is saying.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 21):
The question now in my mind is whether the desire for immortality is meritorious

From robo-sex to immortality, now I need an tylenol extra strength.
 
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
“I resent the fact,” says Carnegie Mellon University roboticist Hans Moravec, “that I have these very insistent drives which take an enormous amount of effort to satisfy and are never completely appeased.”

Methinks Moravec has never gotten laid....
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:15 am

This thread is as worthless as this picture:

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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:15 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 25):
now I need an tylenol extra strength.

Luckily, I get the good drugs, but unfortunately can't share.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 26):
Methinks Moravec has never gotten laid....

Methinks you're right.  yes 

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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:58 am

At least line from The Big Lebowski can be used in this thread, though  Wink

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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:43 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Inventor Ray Kurzweil anticipates that by 2019 virtual sex, performed with the aid of various mechanisms providing complete sensory feedback, will be preferred for its ability “to enhance both experience and safety.”

Can't wait for Macworld 2019. Score  highfive 
 
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:55 am

^^ They've already got sex toys of that nature, as I heard on National Public Radio or other (relatively) reputable source.  

[Edited 2007-01-12 23:56:23]
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:33 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Honest question..............have you lost your damn mind?  crazy 
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:34 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 33):
Honest question..............have you lost your damn mind?

Would anyone who has read the kind of magazine I cited above?

... Don't answer that!
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:46 am

This is what I meant when I talked about technology going too far.
 
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 35):
This is what I meant when I talked about technology going too far.

Agreed, from our point of view. Further, there are multiple senses in which technology must have its limits.

I think that as technology progresses, however, what once appeared out of bounds may yet be seen to be within it, and that this is true at least to some extent.
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Inventor Ray Kurzweil anticipates that by 2019 virtual sex, performed with the aid of various mechanisms providing complete sensory feedback, will be preferred for its ability “to enhance both experience and safety.”

Roll on 2019! Seriously though, robots and brain stimulation, interesting and fun as no doubt they will be, will surely be more of a replacement for pornography and cybersex as we now know it, than for the actual physical act.

In the same sense that the advent of television was predicted to hail the end of the newspaper, these machines won't replace good, old-fashioned human-on-human (or even human-in-human) sex.

History is littered with predictions which, although they may seem logical at the time, fail to materialise for one reason or another.

It'll be fun for the over 70s though!
 
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:36 am

Braybuddy, the law of unintended consequences may make this kind of thing a bit iffy, if you ask me.

I'm setting the timescale out to two hundred years from now because I think that, by then, we'll see some interesting results that some of this futurism appears to neglect.

Not all people are optimistic about the future of mankind. Some believe that the days of mankind as an independent species are numbered. (This is a form of the old Frankenstein myth.)
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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:51 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14):
But seriously, Futurama-fans....

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RE: Robosexualism And The Future Of Mankind

Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:00 pm

This thread is still going? Jesus sweet tap dancing christ...



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