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One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:03 am

OK folks, so what's the most expensive toll road in the world?

Anyone who's ever been stuck on the M6 near Birmingham (UK) on a Friday night or Sunday afternoon will know what a 'god send' the M6 Toll was?

However, when it first opened, the 27 mile route cost just £2 to use. A little over 3 years on and the price has just risen to £4!! Use this both ways on a trip and you're talking, including petrol, £14 just for that part of your journey!

We drove the M6 on Friday morning and returned this morning and refused to use the toll road in either direction due to the latest price hike. Traffic in Birmingham was easy both ways therefore the toll road would've saved us nothing as the distance eaither way is about the same! What's really annoying is they tell you the toll road is clear, but they don't tell you if the M6 itself is clear!
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I know that the Toll Tunnel under Sydney Harbour was so expensive that when people didn't use it, they had to halve the cost and from what I know, it's now well utilised.

By my reckoning from what I saw today, way less than 10% of traffic on the M6 now uses the toll route and it must be at a fraction of its intended capacity?

How do these prices compare to other countries?
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
What's really annoying is they tell you the toll road is clear, but they don't tell you if the M6 itself is clear!

GPS with traffic updates is very useful in situations like this...
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:16 am

Nordkapptunnellen in Norway. With 5 of us in the car, it was 310 NOK one way, and you HAVE to go back through it (it leads to an island).
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
it was 310 NOK one way

WOW!  Wow! €37 each way!! That's an expensive journey!  boggled 
 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:42 am

Mine was only 6.25USD, but that is a lot of money because of the amt of cars that go by each day.
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
What's really annoying is they tell you the toll road is clear, but they don't tell you if the M6 itself is clear!

Not quite true - they will tell you if the M6 is experiencing congestion. Usually it is whenever I travel south!
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:36 pm

Quoting EI787 (Reply 3):
WOW! €37 each way!! That's an expensive journey!

Yeah, it leads out to the island where North Cape is located. At least the good thing in Norway is that once the tunnel is paid off, the toll is cancelled, and it can be used for free. Estimated to be paid off in 2014.

Quite a bit of traffic through there, here are the stats Jan-Oct 2006:

Total passengers: 246164
Total vehicles: 102450
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 5):
Not quite true - they will tell you if the M6 is experiencing congestion. Usually it is whenever I travel south!

Hmm. In my experience they tell you the M6 is congested with "long delays" even when it isn't. Now, surely they wouldn't be trying to persuade you to go on the expensive route, would they?  Yeah sure
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:35 pm

I don't really see why they would - the toll road is run by a private enterprise, while the main M6 and the associated warning signs are run by the Highways Agency, who don't have any jurisdiction in the running of the toll road (at least, AFAIK).
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:44 pm

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 8):
the toll road is run by a private enterprise, while the main M6 and the associated warning signs are run by the Highways Agency,

The same Highways Agency that thinks more toll roads would be a wonderful idea, you mean?
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:44 pm

With road pricing probably not far off in the UK maybe those sort of prices will become commonplace for motorway travel?
 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 9):
The same Highways Agency that thinks more toll roads would be a wonderful idea, you mean?

Doesn't neccessarily mean that the new roads have to be run by private enterprises. Though I may well be wrong on this.
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 11):
Doesn't neccessarily mean that the new roads have to be run by private enterprises. Though I may well be wrong on this.

The M6 Toll was a test case, and one which the government, through the Highways Agency, desperately want to work, so that more private companies will come forward and build roads (tolls, naturally) for them. Diverting traffic on to it is good news all round for the Highways Agency. Three or four times I've been warned about "Long Delays" on the M6 only to find it running smoothly. Other people I know have made the same comment. Now it could just be a co-incidence. How much do you trust this lot in power?
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
How do these prices compare to other countries?

We have a 17 mile long bridge tunnel here in VA. The Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel. It's currently $12.00 US one-way. If you return within 24 hours, it's only five bucks.

 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:25 am

I am hard pressed to top the 91 Freeway "FasTrak" Express Lanes here in SoCal. It is a 10 miles stretch, and peak time eastbound will soon be going up to $9.25, which mile-for-mile, has got to be one of the most expensive tolls anywhere. As far as sheer ripoff, I haven't seen anything come close to the Verrazano-Narrows bridge in Staten Island, NY, which connects Brooklyn with the Island. Last I checked, the toll (EB only) was up to $7.

That's just a total gip.
 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 6):
At least the good thing in Norway is that once the tunnel is paid off, the toll is cancelled, and it can be used for free.

I wish that was the same here in Ireland. There is the M50 which is the orbital motorway around Dublin. It has had a toll since 1990 and the government has ruled out getting rid of it.

It's currently €1.90 for a car - mind you - nowhere near as much as €37!!
 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:16 am

Those "once it's paid off, it'll be free" promises are probably some of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the public by the Government. Once a toll is in place and generating revenue, it is THERE TO STAY. They are just too lucrative, low-hanging fruit cash cows to do away with.

Can anyone show me an example of a toll....anywhere in the world.....that has since been eliminated?
 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 14):
Last I checked, the toll (EB only) was up to $7.

It's $9.00 now.
 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 16):
Can anyone show me an example of a toll....anywhere in the world.....that has since been eliminated?

Here's a few just from Virginia.

Virginia Beach-Norfolk Expressway - Tolls eleminated about five years ago after the road was paid off.

The Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel, and the James River Bridge both had their tolls removed after the bonds were paid. This was more than 25 years ago.

The Richmond - Petersburg Turnpike, now I-95 had their tolls removed as well.
 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 16):
Those "once it's paid off, it'll be free" promises are probably some of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the public by the Government.

Oh, yes. Every government everywhere does that one. We have the same with the Dartford Crossing, which is supposed to be free now.

The thing which truly infuriates me about that, is when there's been an accident in the tunnel/on the bridge, and traffic stretches back for miles. Now, to clear that, they could open the tollgates, but do they? Do they buggery.  grumpy 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:41 am

What does the chunnel cost to drive? When i took the train it was about 129 pounds (first class, it was cheaper than economy).
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 20):
What does the chunnel cost to drive?

You can't drive through it. You drive on to a train and it takes you across. Standard single fare is £49, but there are offers sometimes.
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 16):
Can anyone show me an example of a toll....anywhere in the world.....that has since been eliminated?

Sure, a couple from Norway:

E18 Drammen - Eliminated right away when it was paid for
Rennfast - Underwater tunnel, eliminated once it was paid for

I'm sure there are more, but those are two in areas where I've lived so I know about them. There are two kinds of tolls though, those creating revenue for future development and are staying, and those put there to pay back the cost of building a new road/bridge/tunnel.
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 22):
and those put there to pay back the cost of building a new road/bridge/tunnel.

Which they then somehow forget about cancelling. That's his point.
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 16):
Can anyone show me an example of a toll....anywhere in the world.....that has since been eliminated?

The Connecticut Turnpike, most of it I-95, the state dropped all tolls about 15 years ago after a few fatal accidents at the toll booths. On one occasion a truck driver fell asleep at the wheel and plowed into a car stopped to pay the toll and the car exploded and killed everyone in the car.

The state then accelerated payment of the bonds and after paying off the bonds applied to the federal government to place the highway under the interstate highway system for improvements and maintenance. The Connecticut Turnpike has been undergoing a major renovation with replacements of almost all the bridges and rebuilding of the road surface. This was brought on when a section of the highway fell into the Mianus River in Greenwich CT one night in 1982 killing a few people who drove off the bridge just after it fell. It was determined that lack of proper maintenance and a poorly designed support system led to the failure of the support structure.

Unfortunately there are now some state and local legislators who are now proposing that tolls again be reinstalled on the highway as a source of revenue, I think they are in for a large fight on this.

Another toll that was dropped many years ago was for cars on the New York State Thruway, westbound I-287 in Spring Valley, only trucks have to pay the tolls. Just this Saturday I went through this toll area and they have just installed in the car lanes a high speed EZ-Pass lane so it looks like they are reinstating tolls for cars again, this is going to hit the commuters in the wallet
 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:08 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 23):
Which they then somehow forget about cancelling. That's his point.

And my point is that they actually ARE cancelled afterwards.
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:19 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 13):
We have a 17 mile long bridge tunnel here in VA. The Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel. It's currently $12.00 US one-way. If you return within 24 hours, it's only five bucks.

If you're in a 5 axle truck like I drive, when I cross it, it's $35.00

5 axle truck tolls:
GW Bridge in NYC: $30
PA Turnpike - whole thing: about $110
NJ Turnpike: $23

There are others, but these are the highest.
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:15 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 25):
And my point is that they actually ARE cancelled afterwards.

Nope. Not in the case of the Dartford Crossing I mentioned. Don't know about his examples.
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:37 pm

Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
I know that the Toll Tunnel under Sydney Harbour was so expensive that when people didn't use it, they had to halve the cost and from what I know, it's now well utilised.

I think you mean the Cross-City Tunnel. Its still not all that well utilised either.

Quoting EI787 (Reply 15):
It has had a toll since 1990

The Sydney Harbour Bridge has had a toll for 75 years and the NSW government won't get rid of it.
 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:33 pm

The M4 Toll Bridges into Wales are constantly going up as well, but alas, there is no other option when driving to South Wales from London or the South West. Back home in Plymouth the Tamar Bridge receives a lot of complaints about a possible toll raise, then again, it's only £1 currently which is a bargain compared to some of the tolls people have highlighted!

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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 29):
The M4 Toll Bridges into Wales are constantly going up as well, but alas, there is no other option when driving to South Wales from London or the South West.

And they only charge you for going INTO Wales as well! Outrageous! We should be paid for going there. I assume the thinking was that only the English have any money...  Wink
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:31 pm

One price hike too many? I thought that you where referring to that theiving bastard Gordon Brown, but you were talking about roads.

OK, since they built the Lisbon - Algarve highway the toll for a passanger car is around Eur 40 each way which is actually quite expensive for Portugal. Nice road though, and much better than the old single lane dangerous one that one had to use before.

I have heard of a toll road near Dallas that became toll free when it was paid for, so it's refreshing that they do stick to their word sometimes. Don't see it happening here though - even if the original plan was to end the toll, but the end they'd say they needed the money to keep up the maintainance etc..
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 30):
And they only charge you for going INTO Wales as well! Outrageous! We should be paid for going there. I assume the thinking was that only the English have any money...

I do agree, charging to come out would also act as another preventative measure to stop the Welsh escaping  duck 

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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 16):
Can anyone show me an example of a toll....anywhere in the world.....that has since been eliminated?

Yes,the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge here in Seattle. Also known as SR 520. It had tolls that have been removed. You can still see the foundations of the toll booths at the western end of the bridge.

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 31):
OK, since they built the Lisbon - Algarve highway the toll for a passanger car is around Eur 40 each way which is actually quite expensive for Portugal. Nice road though, and much better than the old single lane dangerous one that one had to use before.

We drove that road in May and were surprised at the cost, but I thought it was 17 or so Euros one way? I don't remember it being 40 Euros. It really is a beautiful road. We drove the old highway for part of the way back (we were going to Evora) and it is pretty, but I would not want to see heavy traffic on that road.
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:23 am

Try going from NJ to JFK via Staten Island. Each of the 2 bridges is $9 one way, but they only charge you in one direction.

The toll booths do exist in the opposite direction, but at the moment are free. I'm sure that won't last much longer though!
 
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 33):
Yes,the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge here in Seattle. Also known as SR 520. It had tolls that have been removed. You can still see the foundations of the toll booths at the western end of the bridge.

The traffic on that bridge is horrendous and it is close to the end of its useful lifespan. There are several options on what to do with the bridge right now (http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/projects/SR520Bridge). However, lots of money will have to be spent whatever option is taken.

According to the website, only $1.25 billion has been identified to fund the project. I believe Seattle residents will have to choose between two not so good options: higher taxes or reinstate the bridge toll. But will the politicians have the guts to pull this off without infuriating the voters? Probably not...
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RE: One Price Hike Too Many?

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting Max999 (Reply 35):
But will the politicians have the guts to pull this off without infuriating the voters?

The politicians around here don't have the guts to do anything. It's a total consensus mentality, when really, you need someone with balls to make tough decisions that are for the better of the whole area.
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