halls120
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Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:26 pm

This is real money we're talking about here.

This should make every taxpayer in the U.S. very angry. Although it does show consistency on the part of the federal government. We don't fire employees for substandard or improper conduct, why should we make them pay taxes?

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WASHINGTON - As the 2006 tax season approaches, the federal government is still trying to recover nearly $3 billion from its own employees who failed to file income tax returns for 2005.

More than 450,000 active and retired federal employees did not voluntarily comply with federal income tax requirements for the 2005 tax year, according to documents obtained by WTOP through the Freedom of Information Act.

The total balance owed is $2,799,950,165.

The documents show that every federal agency has employees who failed to comply with federal tax laws.

Check out this link and you can download the List of Shame.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=428&sid=1034585
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:32 pm

Appears that some of the White House employees are taking the "tax cut" idea a little to far.
 
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Appears that some of the White House employees are taking the "tax cut" idea a little to far

71 employees out of 450,000 work at the White House, and you mention only them, making a political statement, instead of the statement of an outraged taxpayer.

My point?

Next time, don't let your obvious bias shine.
 
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Appears that some of the White House employees are taking the "tax cut" idea a little to far

71 employees out of 450,000 work at the White House, and you mention only them, making a political statement, instead of the statement of an outraged taxpayer.

My point?

Next time, don't let your obvious bias shine.

No one who works at the White House should have unpaid taxes on their ledger. Leadership starts at the top.

That goes for my department as well. While Justice has the second lowest rate of defaulters among the Cabinet offices, if I were AG, I'd give every one of the scofflaws the following deal - you have six months to enter into a payment agreement with the IRS (or file suit contesting the overage) or I'll start termination proceedings.
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
My point?

Next time, don't let your obvious bias shine.

My point was just to show that nearly 20% of the Excutive Office of the President's Staff owed $$ in unpaid taxes, and they are the ones responsible for floating the tax cut ideas.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
Leadership starts at the top.

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*Staff figure used is 400 based on information gather from historical data www.colby.edu/govt.
 
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):

My point was just to show that nearly 20% of the Excutive Office of the President's Staff owed $$ in unpaid taxes, and they are the ones responsible for floating the tax cut ideas.

Doubtful, you have already made it well clear that you don't like the current administration, and took an opportunity to single them out, instead of ALL the workers who have not paid their taxes.
 
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 5):
you have already made it well clear that you don't like the current administration

This is true.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 5):
took an opportunity to single them out,

Would have done the same if it was Reagan, Ford, Carter, Clinton or anyone else was president. What part of leadership starts at the top don't you understand?

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 5):
instead of ALL the workers who have not paid their taxes.

Do you really think that this article would have been newsworthy, if the only employees that owed unpaid taxes were low level commerce department employees.
 
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
Next time, don't let your obvious bias shine.

Pot-Kettle-Black? His reference was to taking the tax cut idea too far, which originated in the White House, so singling them out is completely appropriate. Your knee jerk reaction to perceived criticism of Bush is exactly what you're accusing him of doing.

Its an interesting and disturbing statistic, which just reinforces the understanding of the massive inefficiencies of the federal government. In Washington, if you are a state or quasi-state employee, if you owe money to any state agency, its garnished from your wages if you don't pay in a timely manner.
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
Do you really think that this article would have been newsworthy, if the only employees that owed unpaid taxes were low level commerce department employees.

YES!

We are talking about 450,000 Federal employees! That is a shameful statistic. If they had only looked at White House employees for this story, and they could have, then your criticism would have been much more spot on. But they didn't.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 7):
Its an interesting and disturbing statistic, which just reinforces the understanding of the massive inefficiencies of the federal government

And this is what most Americans have not experienced, the massive inefficiencies in any government department. The tax cuts are moot points if the government wastes a lot more money than that every single year.

In my personal experience, I have witnessed this. Any government job that we do takes at least twice the time to do as compared to a similar commercial job.
 
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 7):
Its an interesting and disturbing statistic, which just reinforces the understanding of the massive inefficiencies of the federal government. In Washington, if you are a state or quasi-state employee, if you owe money to any state agency, its garnished from your wages if you don't pay in a timely manner.

You don't know the half of it. In my office, we have suffered the loss of 10% of our assigned FTE's over the past 10 years, as they have been moved to other parts of the Department. Yet our workload per person did not noticeably increase, which underscored the fat in our budget in the first place.

Compounding this inefficiency is our complete inability to fire non-performing workers. Every time we have proposed candidates for termination, our completely useless HR staff make it impossible to do so. We even have employee who physically threatened her co-workers and our boss with serious bodily harm, and she is STILL employed. Had she done the same thing in the private sector, she would have been terminated without delay.

The overwhelming majority of federal employees are hard working people that do their job and pay their taxes, yet they are often demoralized to have to work alongside total slackoffs who get the same pay yet contribute little to our efforts.
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:17 am

To me any government employee who intentionally doesn't file tax returns or makes agreements with the IRS to pay owed taxes should be investigated and fired. The IRS needs to given back more of it's powers to investigate tax cheats and non-payers. I would note that some non-filers or underpayers of tax may have personal circumstances including divorce, medical problems, disaster losses, other financial records problems and the like that can make one hold off paying Federal Income taxes as feel they can get away with it. Still, one can file extensions for returns and talk with the IRS to try to deal with any problems, although one may still have to overpay taxes and get it refunded later.
 
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:22 am

I find it interesting that the department of the Treasury had the lowest rate of not paying and guessed correctly that the Postal service would have the highest. I have always thought to myself, I would gladly pay $1 for a first class stamp to have that service make money, and get decent customer service from them. If not make money, then take the additional money and give it to the employees wages.
Regardless, not paying your taxes is a crime, and the IRS should not stop at looking at the federal government employees for unpaid taxes.
 
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:31 am

I think Federal employees should pay no federal income tax at all. That would not only compensate for the lower (than private sector) salaries, but it would also make federal service a very attractive career path, especially for the younger workers we need.
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 12):
I think Federal employees should pay no federal income tax at all. That would not only compensate for the lower (than private sector) salaries, but it would also make federal service a very attractive career path, especially for the younger workers we need.

 redflag  Despite the garbage you hear from the union flacks, federal employees are very well compensated.

In our office, we get hundreds of resumes for every opening. Every time.

All this "we don't have enough young employees in the pipeline" is hogwash.
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:46 am

Can I ask a question here?

In the UK, most employees have their tax automatically deducted, but there's a sizeable group (company directors, those with multiple income streams, those paying the higher rate of tax etc etc etc) who have to file their annual tax return, and funnily enough the deadline is the end of this month (bugger, bugger, bugger, must do it  Wink ).

Anyway, the point of this is that if you fail to file your return on time, you have to pay a fine, and they start charging you interest on any tax that is unpaid. Failing to get it in on time is a really bad idea, for these reasons, though of course, some people do miss the deadline.

Is there no system like that in the US? Does the government have no way of enforcing compliance in tax returns?
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 14):

You have your taxes deducted from your paycheck, but you can change your deductions to have them take more or less as requested.

We then get all the numbers together and figure out at the end of the year if we pay more taxes, or if the government owes a refund on taxes already paid. If you are owed a refund, good. If you owe more taxes, it is up to you to write the check.

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 12):
That would not only compensate for the lower (than private sector) salaries

If they had lower than private wages you would not have the quantity of workers not paying additional taxes they owe. Remember, usually the people who have to pay more taxes are the ones that make more money.
 
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):
Despite the garbage you hear from the union flacks, federal employees are very well compensated.

Federal jobs are the jobs of choice for the 'I'm owed a paycheck' set, which only contributes to the problems Halls mentioned earlier.

Quoting Banco (Reply 14):
Can I ask a question here?

Same basic process here - these are all folks that for whatever reason haven't had enough money taken out of their paychecks and as Andes said, subsequently haven't settled up w/ the Feds. Beyond the actual tax they owe, they also now owe compounding penalties and interest.
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
I'd give every one of the scofflaws the following deal - you have six months to enter into a payment agreement with the IRS (or file suit contesting the overage) or I'll start termination proceedings.

hear, hear. did nobody else catch this? promote this guy immediately!
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):
Despite the garbage you hear from the union flacks, federal employees are very well compensated.

In our office, we get hundreds of resumes for every opening. Every time.

True, especially with the cost of living allowance for high cost areas.
Certain federal jobs out west still go begging; Probation and other lower level jobs in the court system, Border Patrol, ATF, ICE are just a couple of areas that I'm aware of that have problems keeping the ranks filled. (Some that could be budget control issues also)

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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:48 am

Once again, the partisans of the board are here to show the size of their.... "brains".

Why can't we ALL be embarrassed that this kind of shit is happening regardless of which moron is 'at the switch'?
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:50 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 15):



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 16):

Ah, OK. Cheers for that. So just leading on to another question, does everyone then pay tax at source? Those having to file a tax return here in the UK often don't pay anything at the time of earning, you just get a big bill to pay once a year, and it's up to you to make sure you have the money put aside.
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:01 pm

I work for the IRS's Australian equivalent.

Part of our pre-employment checks is compliance with these matters - you must sign a declaration that you are up to date, or that you've made arrangements to get things in order.

From
http://www.ato.gov.au/careers/conten.../content/21968.htm&page=1#P43_3383

Comply with tax obligations policy
Tax Office employees have obligations under tax and other laws we administer. If we offer you a job, we will ask you to certify your own tax affairs are up to date or that you have entered into a formal arrangement to bring them up to date

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 9):
The overwhelming majority of federal employees are hard working people that do their job and pay their taxes, yet they are often demoralized to have to work alongside total slackoffs who get the same pay yet contribute little to our efforts

Agree with you there..........

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):
Despite the garbage you hear from the union flacks, federal employees are very well compensated.

In our office, we get hundreds of resumes for every opening. Every time.

Even though the pay mightn't be as good as the private sector, there are other benefits such as flex time & that fact that you're not spending 80 hours a week at the office!
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
That goes for my department as well. While Justice has the second lowest rate of defaulters among the Cabinet offices, if I were AG, I'd give every one of the scofflaws the following deal - you have six months to enter into a payment agreement with the IRS (or file suit contesting the overage) or I'll start termination proceedings.

You're far too generous. I'd be like Jesse James...with that tattoo on the palm of my hand that says "Pay up, sucker!" and then start taking it out of their checks at a nice hefty rate. Clean that problem up inside of a year.
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 22):
"Pay up, sucker!" and then start taking it out of their checks at a nice hefty rate. Clean that problem up inside of a year.

Agreed, one warning to come into compliance, then immediate garnishing of wages, no negotiation no debate.

Quoting Banco (Reply 20):
So just leading on to another question, does everyone then pay tax at source?

Most, if not all, employees must have taxes (income, social security, workers comp) taken out of their pay by their employers. We call it withholding, and you can change the amount, based on a couple of factors, but you have to have a minimum amount held back and sent to the government. Then you settle up at the end of the year (April 15 actuall). Business owners and self employed can operate somewhat differently, depending on how the businesses are set up. Even in those cases however they must make quarterly estimated payments, and then again, settle up in April.
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RE: Federal Workers Owe Billions In Unpaid Taxes

Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 23):

Thanks for that. Good explanation.
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