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Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:28 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244263,00.html

American-born Abu Usamah at-Thahabi who studied a strict version of islam at the Islamic University of Medina in Saudi Arabia; now preaches hate from a mosque in Birmingham, England.

I don't see the priests of the Catholic church extorting crusades from the pulpit. What happened to a religion that was supposed to be about tolerance, faith and charity? This is a ticking time-bomb not only in the UK, but the rest of Europe as more and more muslims are added to these communities. Firebrands that preach hate, and murder need a prompt reckoning themselves.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:33 pm

Another one, this time in Sydney.......

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070118/23/1245r.html

Video report

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/scp_v3/...471&rn=248153&cl=1692407&ch=248154

[Edited 2007-01-18 11:36:31]
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:12 pm

I saw the Channel 4 dispatches program that shows video footage of this so called preaching, it was a very chilling program with the violent referances used towards Christians and Jews and all this is happening in Mosques in Britian, a sad discovery indeed.
They refer to non belevers as Kaffors (spelling?) which I think means "non belevers" I remember at school I was often called this by some islamic class mates, its kinda taken on a more sinister meaning now after watching this documetery and the way this word was used.
Moderate Islamics should take heed and fight back against this kind of preaching, it puts us all at risk.

The programs were on youtube but have since been removed for copy right reasons:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Abu+Usamah&search=Search
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
I don't see the priests of the Catholic church extorting crusades from the pulpit.

They tried that centuries ago and got their butts kicked.

Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
This is a ticking time-bomb not only in the UK, but the rest of Europe as more and more muslims are added to these communities

And just how many Muslims actually tune into this fanatic's show?

Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
Firebrands that preach hate, and murder need a prompt reckoning themselves.

This man is not a UK national, is he? The authorities can promptly put him on the next flight back to Newark and teach him a lesson.

Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
American-born Abu Usamah at-Thahabi who studied a strict version of islam at the Islamic University of Medina in Saudi Arabia

And yet, the Saudis continue to be trumpeted as our best buddies.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting Melpax (Reply 1):
Another one, this time in Sydney.......

Totally disgusted.
More so that this man's DVD's and hate sermons were being sold in mainstream islamic book stores in Sydney and people were buying them!
Or Perhaps this guys role as head of a major Islamic youth group in Sydney sickened me more while preaching that kids should kill themselves...talk about moulding future generations...
Maybe women are to blame themselves for getting raped??

If this guy ever dares show his face in his birth place Australia again, he's goin down.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...rage/2007/01/18/1169095914411.html

The Sydney guy above came to light thanks to the British program exposing Usamah in the UK.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
This man is not a UK national, is he? The authorities can promptly put him on the next flight back to Newark and teach him a lesson.

We don't need people like that here either.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:51 am

There are a lot of different trends in ISLAM (same like in Christianity) , extreme over moderate to enlightened and progressive.
The problems arising the last couple of years are mostly due to the fast rising influence of Wahabism which has its origins in S. Arabia and because they have large funds available they support/influence a lot of Muslim community's in several parts of the world (schools/mosques/etc..).
Unfortunately for Muslims all over the world their influence is strengthening all over Islam community , most certainly in the easy target places (poor and underdeveloped) like Nigeria/Afghanistan/Pakistan/and more places in
Africa.

It has even come so far that all funding coming from "fellow/brother" Wahabism-inspired organizations to some Islam community's in certain African regions (some in Tanzania IIRC) are refused because they fear the negative hard line influence that comes with it.

A lot of mosques in mainland Europe were (maybe still are) funded by these organizations and also started preaching some pretty hard line stuff.
Things won't change overnight because Wahabism and the house of Saoed are heavily intertwined.


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[Edited 2007-01-19 16:54:30]
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
They tried that centuries ago and got their butts kicked.

Somebody in another thread made a valid point. Islam is several hundred years younger than Christianity, so what we did back then, they are doing now. Only thing is that while we know better, they don't
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:01 am

The thing that really annoys the cr@p out of me is that they can say what they want about killing white people and destroying the west, and nothing is done or said about it yet we say one word against them then out comes the race card !.

Hypocrites the lot of them !.

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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:05 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
And just how many Muslims actually tune into this fanatic's show?

Well, if there is actually an increasing number of them like he says, that's a big problem, no?

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
The authorities can promptly put him on the next flight back to Newark and teach him a lesson.

Or shoot him on site. Little algae out of the pool.




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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:23 pm

CNN International just had a special report on extremist leaders in the UK...many of whom are UK nationals and are as full of shit as they come. One even insisted that Shar'ia law should replace the current British system because it's too corrupt.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:04 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
And yet, the Saudis continue to be trumpeted as our best buddies.

Hmm, I wonder why? scratchchin 

We do have free speech in the UK. However, there are laws against inciting racial violence. If he continues he's likely to find himself the wrong side of some metal bars. Ask his namesake Abu Hamza (aka The Hook)
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:13 pm

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 5):
We don't need people like that here either.

Send him to Guantanamo! He'll be yelling more bullshit on the waterboard at Gitmo than he ever dreamed he could in the mosque!

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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:58 pm

Imam Preaches Hate In UK

 
The imam now is spewing his message of hate to a growing group of followers at a mosque in Birmingham, England.

His target: the United States, the United Kingdom, Christians and Jews.



Really? You don't say? Sure didn't see THAT coming!

So do ANY Imams actually preach love and tolerance or is it all just a wild-eyed "death to the infidels!" at all times?

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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:01 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
Do ANY Imams actually preach love and tolerance

Of course. The vast majority. How likely do you think you are to read about it in the newspaper?
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:50 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
So do ANY Imams actually preach love and tolerance or is it all just a wild-eyed "death to the infidels!" at all times?

I think it's quite fortunate, though, that the vast majority of Muslims in America are not radicalized.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:14 pm

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 12):
Send him to Guantanamo! He'll be yelling more bullshit on the waterboard at Gitmo than he ever dreamed he could in the mosque!

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There was a great article in the American Legion magazine, about a year ago, about Gitmo. It was 180 out of the traditional news usually heard about that place. The prisoners held there are not friendly to any nation. There seems to be a crowd of people that want those people released, but few if any countries want to take those people in.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 15):
I think it's quite fortunate, though, that the vast majority of Muslims in America are not radicalized.

They need to speak out against the radicals, but they don't.

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 8):
nothing is done or said about it yet we say one word against them then out comes the race card !.

That is odd. One word against blacks, jews, hispanics, etc and I lose my job. The Muslim crowd speaks against me and it is called diversity.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:56 pm

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 16):

They need to speak out against the radicals, but they don't.

http://www.freemuslims.org/

http://www.cair-net.org/
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:16 pm

Quoting Jamman (Reply 2):
Kaffors

Kuffars or some may use Kafir.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:40 pm

CAIR secretly stands for "Council of Angry Islamic Radicals."  Wink
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
CAIR secretly stands for "Council of Angry Islamic Radicals." Wink

.....er, I don't think so.. no 
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:37 am

The sad truth is some convert people and are teaching them incorrectly about Islam.
 
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:37 am

Seth Meyers put it best last night on the Weekend Update segment on SNL.

Seth said Muslim groups are concerned that 24's depiction of Muslims will create an anti-Islamic backlash in America. Also creating an anti-Islamic backlash... Terrorism.

In all humor there is a grain of truth. In this case its a whole sandbag of truth.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:06 am

Even deporting foreign nationals is very hard for the UK Government, since if their (army of) lawyers, often white, Christian middle class females-who would not have a career in the society these nutjobs wish for, can show they might be under threat of abuse back home, they'll not get deported.

Only in rare cases do we get rid of them, or get to lock them up. Abu Hamza is an exception.
Another prick who lived here on benefits for years with his extended family, fled to Lebanon just before he got his collar felt, but when the war happened there last year, he actually turned up at the port, begging British service personnel to be allowed on the RN ships evacuating UK nationals and dependants to the UK. Back to this 'toilet' as they often call it.
The camera did not pick up the exact response to his whining pleas, but I'd guess the second of two words said him was 'off'.
Did not stop his hateful activities though, due to the 'wonders' on the internet.

For years, any story on Saudi Arabia, had a Saudi 'dissident', respectable in his suit, wheeled into the TV studios to comment.
Now? Safe from deportation, he helps to make bloody jihadist internet material, safe in 'Londonstan'.

Writer Martin Amis had it right, returning to the UK, he noted the flock of affluent British Bien Peasents, on demos about the admittedly wrong Israeli attack on Lebanon last year, with banners saying 'We are all Hizzbolla now'.
'Enjoy it while you can' wrote Amis, since he noted that when asked what they wanted from the West, a spokesman for that group repiled, 'nothing, only your destruction'.

I hate these sort more than the actual Islamists.
George Galloway? A modern day Oswald Mosely, with his 'Respect' party (a nightmare of old hard leftists, who at least belived in womens and gay right once, before bedding down with Islamists-who do not think this way), this party is the modern version of Mosely's 1930's British Union of Facists, the British Union Of Islamofascists being a more apt name for 'Respect'.

Some blame the UK's adoptation of the European 'Human Rights Act', rubbish, other EU members are signed up to this too, but France in particular has no problems showing these 'preachers' the door.

But the real victims of these bums, is of course, the majority peaceful Muslim community.
 
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 23):
But the real victims of these bums, is of course, the majority peaceful Muslim community

 checkmark  You have it spot on GDB a colleague and friend doesn't like going his local mosque for the reason discussed.
 
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 16):
There seems to be a crowd of people that want those people released, but few if any countries want to take those people in.

Speaking personally, I'd like to see them charged or released. I've no doubt there are some pretty dubious characters there, but we in the west do stand for the rule of law. It'd be nice to see the nation that has been the beacon of freedom to the world in the post-war era apply its own principles.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
http://www.cair-net.org/



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
er, I don't think so..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...ncil_on_American-Islamic_Relations

If you want CAIR to be the mouthpiece of American Muslims, then I feel sorry for the American-Muslim community.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:02 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 16):
They need to speak out against the radicals, but they don't.

I do agree that they need to speak out more. However, on the conservative Glenn Beck show recently, a very strong proponent of this point of view was featured and, as her activities were described, and I was very impressed with her.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:12 am

A good way to bug this guy is to blast "Rock the Casbah" by the Clash outside his Mosque when he's giving his hate seminars.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:50 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 28):
A good way to bug this guy is to blast "Rock the Casbah" by the Clash outside his Mosque when he's giving his hate seminars.

LOL. I don't think that music is going to work. Maybe being good will.

There are some ex-members of hate groups in this country who finally stopped being hateful when they realized that they were hurting so many good people who had nothing against them.
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RE: Imam Preaches Hate In UK

Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:56 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 26):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...ncil_on_American-Islamic_Relations

If you want CAIR to be the mouthpiece of American Muslims, then I feel sorry for the American-Muslim community.

...right, from the wikipedia article...

."The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page."


if CAIR were that bad, they would have been shut down by this administration
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