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Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:14 pm

I am continually being told by geeks that Mozilla Firefox is the antidote to Bill Gates evil ways and its soooo much better, faster, smoother, got bigger tits and all dem ting.

So, I have both IE7 and Mozilla on my laptop and I have to say, none of the geek propoganda is true...it isn't better at anything and is worse at some things.

So boyz and gurrls...waddup, y'all just tinfoil hat wearers in denial? or is there some deep mystery I am missing out on?...or maybe i am like a plumber in an art gallery and am overlooking some subtle undercurrents that only the terminal Luddite (see your teacher) can't grasp.

I never thought the Rubix Cube was cool either AND I don't fancy Halle Berry...so maybe there is no hope eh?
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:16 pm

Yeah, I used firefox for a while. Now I just use IE. FireFox was too much of a ramhog.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:24 pm

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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:25 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 1):
ramhog.

Is that a bad thing or more fun than you could handle?
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:28 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):

So, I have both IE7 and Mozilla on my laptop and I have to say, none of the geek propoganda is true...it isn't better at anything and is worse at some things.

Which version are you running? I have 2.0.0.1 running on my Mac, and it runs beautifully, even allowing me to access sites Safari just sits there and looks kind of funny at.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:29 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 3):
Is that a bad thing or more fun than you could handle?

Yes it's a bad thing. I downloaded FF2, but haven't really tried it, so can't say anything about it.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
Which version are you running?

The one I downloaded just before Christmas......if there is more than one number in a version I get confused....
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 6):

The one I downloaded just before Christmas

Just look at the "About Firefox" menu item. I don't recall offhand which toolbar menu it's on on the PC. It'll tell you the version number. Or just have it search for updates.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:37 pm

Firefox 2 is much faster than IE, has no popups or other crap, and I remembers my text. (I was typing something in a textbox and I lost power to my PC, and upon reboot FF opened up and my text was even still there.)

It also seems to not have the RAM hog problems of it's first version.

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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:40 pm

Sigh... another round of let's bash Firefox. Sure enough, it isn't perfect. But for every little thing that has bugged me, there has been a fix. If I can't open a website with FF, I move my mouse cursor to the bottom right, click on the Firefox icon (in the browser window) and IE Tab reloads the page using whatever version of Internet Explorer I have, in the same tab - even Microsoft Update works.
If I want to download something, I use FlashGot which integrates Firefox and my download manager, which is vital since I don't have broadband anymore. Quite often, the downloads I start with one or two clicks wouldn't even be possible with IE, such as YouTube videos of which I wanted a few on my HDD. The add-on list is endless, and I won't even start on the ad blocking capabilities you can add to Firefox.
Then we have visual customisation. I've installed Flyakite OS X which makes numerous aspects of the tired and boring Windows XP GUI look Mac OS X-like, and with Firefox I can easily install a corresponding theme in a few instants - no extra software, no hassle, and it's done well.
Lastly, if Firefox crashes, which it does occasionally, it doesn't take anything else down with itself... unlike IE which was so embedded into Windows last time I used it that it crashed that "explorer.exe" process which always runs in the background, making me lose at least half of the tray icons I used. I've also found that RAM usage is reasonable if you restart Firefox every now and then, according to what you've been doing. It's easy, too, since you can restore all the windows and tabs you had open.

So no, Firefox isn't perfect. But once you're used to it and have the add-ons you want, it's nothing but a pleasure to use.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:44 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
and have the add-ons you want,

Well that is part of the problem for me...haven't a clue which add-ons i need, what to do with them or anything, I never seem to need anything with IE and it works.

The geeks who recommend it to me seem to thrive in add-ons and all that...is there a basic "bloke" package available?
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:46 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
I never seem to need anything with IE and it works.

If you're a basic bloke user, you should probably just stay with IE, and not frustrate yourself.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:51 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
is there a basic "bloke" package available?

Yes, it's what you get with the download, sorry to play Captain Obvious. Add-ons have always been an important part of Firefox, that's why you hear so much about them. You can certainly use the software without them, but they can improve your "experience". I have:

Adblock Plus (incredibly efficient and automatic)
Adblock Filterset.G Updater (just as automatic as Adblock)
Delicious Delicacies (pointless, and hasn't yet been updated to work with FF2)
DOM Inspector (??? it came with the download, I don't need it)
FlashGot (to integrate FF with the download manager)
IE Tab (for those few sites that FF doesn't show properly)
Tab Mix Plus (tabbed browsing "reloaded")
Talkback (to send the developers info about eventual crashed)
VideoDownloader (for downloading YouTube et al videos)
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:53 pm

Firefox simply sucks. I used version 1.5 and I don't know why people find it so good and so fast, because for me, it's the contrary. It's too damn slow, especially with the tabbed browsing. I do have a pretty good and fast system, but even with that, Firefox just doesn't cut it. I'm quite pleased with the performance I'm getting from IE6 so far, and I do not intend to switch to either Firefox 2 or IE7 in the near future. I might use IE7 eventually, but most likely only when I get Windows Vista.
 
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:53 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
If you're a basic bloke user, you should probably just stay with IE, and not frustrate yourself.

That's a contradiction if I've ever heard one... STAY with a Microsoft product so as NOT to be frustrated?!? Westy, what happened to you?

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
Firefox simply sucks. I used version 1.5

Please try version 2 before you make sweeping generalisations. Maybe FF doesn't work for you due to personal preferences, but that doesn't mean it "sucks" for everyone else.

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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:54 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
unlike IE which was so embedded into Windows last time I used it that it crashed that "explorer.exe" process which always runs in the background, making me lose at least half of the tray icons

Little tip, in the Task manager click "New Process", type "explorer.exe" and Bobs your uncle, Fanny's Your Aunt... Everything back to normal.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:56 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 14):
That's a contradiction if I've ever heard one... STAY with a Microsoft product so as NOT to be frustrated?!? Westy, what happened to you?

I used to run Mac Help rooms on AOL, and to be honest, there are just some folks who think they need something better, but don't want to be bothered by the details of getting there, and then maintaining that experience. For example, we still don't know which version he's using, despite directions on how to find it.

There's a point in time where you have to say "not worth it", and they have to be able to say to the geeks who keep touting an experience that they're "not interested", because, to be fully honest, that's what it comes down to.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:57 pm

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 15):
Little tip, in the Task manager click "New Process", type "explorer.exe" and Bobs your uncle, Fanny's Your Aunt... Everything back to normal.

I preferred the task manager and "File" -> "new task". But that still doesn't bring tray icons back.

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Bobs your uncle

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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
that's what it comes down to.

Point taken... however, I'd like to see Jafa use a PC with a good FF setup made by someone who does care. I've set up numerous PC systems and FF installs for friends and family, and I've never heard serious complaints about the browser. With Firefox, you can set up everything once and let the automatic updates handle everything for a long, long time. AND you get exactly what you want with the add-ons.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:04 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 14):
STAY with a Microsoft product so as NOT to be frustrated?!?

Point is i have never been frustrated by a Microsoft Product...a Compaq one yes...

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
we still don't know which version he's using, despite directions on how to find it.

It is 2.0.0.1  Smile
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:05 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 18):
Point taken... however, I'd like to see Jafa use a PC with a good FF setup made by someone who does care.

But this is about what he wants, not what you want. If he doesn't care, there's no reason you should either, and he should just be happy with IE.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:11 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 19):
Point is i have never been frustrated by a Microsoft Product...

Well, that is a first...  Wow!

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 20):
But this is about what he wants, not what you want.

I was just thinking how someone might be convinced that Firefox is more than "emperor's new clothes", is that so intrusive?
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:13 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 21):
I was just thinking how someone might be convinced that Firefox is more than "emperor's new clothes", is that so intrusive?

No, not at all, but when someone starts out with "this is a pile of poo, convince me it's not", it doesn't look encouraging.  Wink
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:18 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
So no, Firefox isn't perfect. But once you're used to it and have the add-ons you want, it's nothing but a pleasure to use.

 checkmark  Even without add-ons. Perhaps I am easily pleased but FF seems much better than IE. Just went to FF2 yesterday.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:20 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
"this is a pile of poo, convince me it's not"



Anyway, Jafa, further good luck to you and your apparently airtight Microsoft software.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 23):
I find I cannot use the full ad suppression or I get rejected by too many sites.

What have you got? I've never had that problem with Adblock and Filterset.G updater, does FF2 now come with built-in ad suppression?

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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:15 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 21):
I was just thinking how someone might be convinced that Firefox is more than "emperor's new clothes", is that so intrusive?

I know the question wasn't directed at me but the answer is..if it was quicker, smoother had bigger tits etc...it is the same but for me, less reliable and some things either don't work or come out weird. You see.......I'm a Ford kind of a guy...FF is a bit like an italian car, promises a lot but needs extra thingies and some more than basic knowledge to get the best out of it.

I don't hate FF nor love IE7...I just don't see any improvement in my life....hmmm, but i did just get a salary increase shortly after installing FF....maybe it does work after all...I'm off to measure Mrs Jafa's tits....

Quoting Aloges (Reply 24):
Anyway, Jafa, further good luck to you and your apparently airtight Microsoft software.

Well I'm sure it will bite me one day but I use PowerPoint a lot and send zillions of e-mails and it giveth me not jot of ill feeling (so far)

Hey! I still think Hotmail rocks!!!!!! Man, I am soooo last century  Wink
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:52 pm

Using Safari and Camino on a Mac! No complaints so far  Smile

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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:54 pm

"Not all things could be to all people"..

Personally, ever since I switched to Firefox a few years ago, I've never looked back..Firefox reminds me of the "old" Netscape in "feel"....

There are maybe one or two things I will use IE for, but if its not on my computer, I probably wouldn't be losing any sleep over it....

Also, I'm glad one has a variety to choose from..not to mention, it makes the competition better....for example, Microsoft only recently added "tabbed" browsing....and I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't because of Firefox...
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:00 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):
So, I have both IE7 and Mozilla on my laptop and I have to say, none of the geek propoganda is true...it isn't better at anything and is worse at some things.

I agree. The bells and whistles may be better in Firefox but that was no consolation to me when the damn thing locked up a couple of times a day.

I'll give Version 2 a go, though.
 
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:27 pm

Well if you don't install any extensions and stuff to FF I guess the difference to IE isn'tr that big. But as soon as you do IE feels like such a step back that it's just annoying to use it. I prefer to customize my system like I want it instead of how microsoft wants it. I'm no hater of MS in general, but when it comes to browsers I just find FF way ahead.
 
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:19 pm

A few minutes ago, I was composing a post in Firefox, and my laptop had a kernal panic, causing me to restart without being able to save anything.

After I rebooted, Firefox asked me if I wanted to restore my session, and it took me right back to where I was, and the only thing missing was the word I was in the middle of typing before all hell broke loose.

Gotta say I was mightily impressed!
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:31 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 30):
Gotta say I was mightily impressed!

Unless, of course, FireFox maybe caused the kernel panic in the first place...!  mischievous 
 
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:41 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
Unless, of course, FireFox maybe caused the kernel panic in the first place...!

Naw, doubt it, I'm using the Lombard that's been kernal panicking lately, even after a fresh reinstall of the OS. It's seen better days and this is its last few weeks of service, after it turns 7 years old two weeks from now and is replaced.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:44 pm

Yeah, it could be the hardware under those circumstances. I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but wasn't the Lombard's CPU socketed? In that case re-seating the CPU daughterboard and/or the RAM modules might help if it was due to creeping contact corrosion...
 
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:51 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 33):
I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but wasn't the Lombard's CPU socketed?

Yup, it is. It's not really worth bothering with, the screen is starting to flicker occasionally, so it's not worth messing with. It's possible the cable to the screen is finally giving way to the problem this series had with the hinge impinging on the screen cable as well. It's given 7 great years of service (  thumbsup  ) and it's time to put it out to pasture.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:08 pm

Yeah, the Lombards were pretty neat machines in their day and I still know of at least one still in productive use as well until very recently.
 
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:41 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 32):
kernal panicking lately

Stop it Westy...you're scaring me!!!  Wink
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:59 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 36):
Stop it Westy...you're scaring me!!!

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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:49 pm

I guess if you don't mind obnoxious banner ads on every site you visit and the pop up, pop down, and pop over ads that have a tendency to skirt the less than effective pop up blocker IE has and as long as you don't mind being a little less safe when surfing the net, then sure, stick with IE. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that the only reason there's an IE7 right now is because of the ever increasing popularity of Firefox. So all you IE7 users owe a bit of gratitude to us FF users. You're welcome.
 
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:14 pm

Well I'm on 1.5.0.9 at the minute, I love it especially the "tabbed browsing" makes life a lot easier.

My only realy bug with it is if you uninstall as much of IE as you can (its impossible to remove it completly from a windows based PC as its built into explorer(windows). If you uninstall IE and by accident hit "send image" after about 30 seconds 52 (52 exactly) blank IE windows will open. Of course if you wait 15 seconds and open up the task manager you can end the IEXPLORE process...

Firefox has saved my ass on a few occasions when there have been malisious scripts loaded into websites - mostly those "I misplelt 1 letter on the url and here were are on another hotsites page".

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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 38):
So all you IE7 users owe a bit of gratitude to us FF users. You're welcome.

Hmmm, and FF owes a debt of gratitude to IE7 which allows it to access sites that FF cant,.....I didn't have a stance at the beginning fo this thread but here we have FF fans getting all smug and yet one of the features they cite is its ability to use IE7 when the going gets tough.

Now let's think about this...what if the A380 had to have a "Boeing" switch so it could land at 100% of all airports.......where would the A vs B war be then?

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 38):
I guess if you don't mind obnoxious banner ads on every site you visit and the pop up, pop down, and pop over ads that have a tendency to skirt the less than effective pop up blocker

The only site i get these is the NZ Herald online and I have worked out which part of the page to avoid with the cursor to stop this but i do back my pop-up killer up with "History Kill".
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:07 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 40):
I didn't have a stance at the beginning fo this thread but here we have FF fans getting all smug and yet one of the features they cite is its ability to use IE7 when the going gets tough.

A number of sites are "optimized" to run on IE, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that some would run better with IE by default. That's the fault of the web designer, not the browser. Websites shouldn't be optimized to one platform to the exception of others.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 40):
FF owes a debt of gratitude to IE7 which allows it to access sites that FF cant

IE7 has absolutely zilch to do with it. The FF plugin works with IE 4.0 and above.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 41):
Websites shouldn't be optimized to one platform to the exception of others.

You're right, that would be like building "Boeing only" runways...I'm sure MOL would like "FR only" runways  Smile
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 43):
I'm sure MOL would like "FR only" runways

In some places, that's pretty much the situation  Smile
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 42):
IE7 has absolutely zilch to do with it. The FF plugin works with IE 4.0 and above.

Well, IE then...let's not split hairs eh?
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 45):
Well, IE then...let's not split hairs eh?

Then really it all goes back to bad development on the part of the web designer. If I NEED an IE plugin to view a website, it's the website's fault, no IE's or FF's.

I'm a diehard FF user. No proprietary IE crap for me thanks.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:59 am

Used to be a lot of pages where FF had trouble, but lately I can't even remember having to use IE to get a page to work. Perhaps this might be a problem with some banks, but nothing that I have experienced.
 
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:04 am

I love Firefox, it has always felt as an upgrade to IE, even with IE7. I think FF's user interface is so much better than IE, its less cluttered. Only reason I use IE si when I need to get updates for Windows, since I presume they ban FF from their site.
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RE: Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:10 am

Opera 9.10 here.

I hate IE and didn't like FF that much, thus my switch. Opera is so much faster than IE and FF, my only gripe is that some websites don't like it.

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