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Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:53 am

Considering the aggressive posturing by China over Taiwan, I want to discuss the possibility of arming Taiwan with nuclear weapons. Two possibities are the US builds a base there and keeps the weapons under its control. Or second the US sells the weapons directly to Taiwan. I am pretty certain the US does not have any military base on the island and building one would cause outrage from China. But giving them weapons seems problematic in its own right, since I don't recall the US ever doing such a thing. Furthermore from the little I read out about it I, don't believe the Taiwan government is very stable.

But if the nation had nukes on top of short range missiles such a capability would deter any military invasion from China and Taiwan could have its independence.
 
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:56 am

No thanks. Keep it in the hands of the U.S. There's enough nuclear powers out there now. We don't need another.
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:58 am

What would the Chinese do in response? Sell to Cuba? Venezuela? A diplomatic f**ck you.
 
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting Sean1234 (Thread starter):
But if the nation had nukes on top of short range missiles such a capability would deter any military invasion from China and Taiwan could have its independence.

The moment China got wind of such a deal was in the making, Taiwan would be invaded. China simply wouldnt let such a deal happen and would take action before it could.
 
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:07 am

Are you kidding?

Haven't you ever seen the clips of their governing bogy members going after each other with shoes?

That's the last thing you want to sell them.
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 2):
What would the Chinese do in response?

Flip out.

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 2):
Sell to Cuba?

Nope. Not with Castro on the way out.

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 2):
Venezuela?

You bet your ass they would.

Very, very bad idea. In fact, that could very easily be the action that would start World War III.

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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting Sean1234 (Thread starter):


But if the nation had nukes on top of short range missiles such a capability would deter any military invasion from China and Taiwan could have its independence.

Since when do the United States advocate Taiwanese independence? The US are committed to a One China policy and don't recognize Taiwan as a country.

The triangle Taipei-Beijing-Washington is a highly delicate and complicated political affair. Giving nuclear weapons to anyone is certainly the last thing the US would do.

Besides, though not outspoken, US guarantees against a hostile invasion of Taiwan are pretty clear; and America DOES have nuclear weapons. So why give them to Taipei.
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:34 am

Quoting Rara (Reply 6):
Since when do the United States advocate Taiwanese independence? The US are committed to a One China policy and don't recognize Taiwan as a country.

The U.S. has always advocated Taiwan as an Independent nation-for years. Maybe that's kind of bass ackwards with a "One China policy", but the U.S. has never favored anyone falling under a communist dictatorship.
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:06 am

Hi,

the US has always advocated Taiwanese people living in a free and democratic society and has sought to protect them from oppressive rule from Mainland China.

However, show me ONE official US statement that Taiwan should become an independent nation. You're completely off on this one.
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:10 am

Quoting Rara (Reply 8):
the US has always advocated Taiwanese people living in a free and democratic society and has sought to protect them from oppressive rule from Mainland China.

However, show me ONE official US statement that Taiwan should become an independent nation. You're completely off on this one.

Read what you wrote, my friend: what you say in the two paragraphs is a total contradiction.

In the first you say the U.S. wants Taiwain to bee free and democratic, but not indpendent. You have to have the latter to have the former, especially when the nation that covets you doesn't believe in free and democratic societies.

Like you yourself said, it's a complicated relationship. And while the U.S. does have a "one China policy", that does not mean the U.S. shies away from a free, democratic, INDEPENDENT Taiwan.

It's an utter contradiction. Maybe it hasn't been said out loud in years, but it's said sotto voce all the time in the West.

Edited for italics error.

[Edited 2007-01-24 02:11:09]
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:30 am

Sorry, but there's no contradiction at all. The real contradiction is your sentence ("the U.S. does have a 'one China policy'", but wants a "free, democratic, INDEPENDENT Taiwan" - so it really is a two Chinas policy or what?)

It's out of question that Taiwan has a de-facto self-governing administration since the Kuomintang fled from the Mainland in the late 1940s. However, that does not mean that Taiwan is an independent nation; in fact, it is not a nation at all, and the US has no intention whatsoever to change that status.

Even Taiwan itself doesn't declare itself an independent nation. The Democratic Party sometimes plays with the thought of declaring independence, but hasn't done so yet (and couldn't, as it would be met with intense opposition by the anti-indepence KMT).

Thus One China is the inherent policy goal of Taiwan, China, the US and most other Western countries alike. By the way, independence is not a prerequisite for freedom and democracy, as you state. Hong Kong is an example for an area of freedom and justice, on its best way towards a full democracy, despite belonging to the People's Republic.
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:33 am

Quoting Sean1234 (Thread starter):
Considering the aggressive posturing by China over Taiwan, I want to discuss the possibility of arming Taiwan with nuclear weapons.

Sorry, but we can't. As a party to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, the US, as a Nuclear Weapons State (NWS), cannot transfer "nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices" technology to other states.
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:09 pm

The less the number of Nuclear Weapon states the Better  Smile
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:58 am

Basing nuclear missiles on Taiwan would be massively destabilizing to the delicate balance that exists among the U.S., Taiwan, and the PRC. China has declared that Taiwanese possession of weapons of mass destruction would trigger an immediate invasion.

Besides, it's utterly unnecessary. The U.S. is pledged to help defend Taiwan in the event of unilateral PRC aggression. Should it come to nuclear weapons, we already have thousands of warheads that could be closer to mainland China than Taiwan is and strike anywhere in China within fifteen minutes. So missiles on Taiwan don't provide a strategic advantage even if they were politically possible.
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:44 am

One of the questions to which I don't have an answer.... if China were to launch an invasion, would the U.S. really come to Taiwan's aid?
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Rara (Reply 14):
if China were to launch an invasion, would the U.S. really come to Taiwan's aid?

I believe that we would, but that it would be the beginning of something extremely nasty.

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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:24 am

Start a world war, with no vital American interests at stake?
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:49 am

Taiwan was actually close to a nuclear plan in the 60 with the minor support from the US
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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 4):
Are you kidding?



Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 3):
The moment China got wind of such a deal was in the making, Taiwan would be invaded. China simply wouldnt let such a deal happen and would take action before it could.

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RE: Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:54 am

Presumingly a War broke out between the US & China.China def has the Numbers to tilt things.
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