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Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:29 pm

Hello everyone.

I am looking into getting a newer car than what i already have. Its been a good car for about three years now and i have been saving up for quite sometime now and have a pretty well set amount for payment towards a new car. Now I was looking at Either The Corolla, Sonata, Elantra, and the Accord. Now everyone in my ENTIRE and EXTENDED family drives Hondas with the execption of my Uncle who has 5 kids and has a Denali and Ford Truck. Now i was looking on craigslist and other places and i noticed a big price gap between a 2003 accord and a 2003 corolla or even a sonata which is what my mom has for the moment while her oddysey is in for repairs. The Sonata is supposed to be Hyundai's high end car but a 2007 model doesnt cost that much more than a 2003 accord.

Basically what im asking here is, Has the Honda Accord become or always been a more higher class commuter sedan riather than the Hyundai, or the Toyota? And also which car is best for about 9500 dollars. With or without payments. Either one.


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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
i noticed a big price gap between a 2003 accord and a 2003 corolla

That's becasue you are looking at 2 different classes of cars. Corolla's compete with the Civic, not the Accord (which is sized with the Camry).
 
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
The Sonata is supposed to be Hyundai's high end car but a 2007 model doesnt cost that much more than a 2003 accord.

Basically what im asking here is, Has the Honda Accord become or always been a more higher class commuter sedan riather than the Hyundai, or the Toyota?

I would say Honda and Toyota are on par with each other in terms of build quality. Both these two are considered the top tier Asian manufactures, and their products tend to retain their resale value longer than other Asian cars. That being said, Hyundai is improving their build quality and product line, and may become a greater competitor to Honda, Toyota, and Nissan.

I have owned a 2003 Accord LX for about two years now, and it is a damn good car. The 2.4 liter engine is very smooth and powerful for a 4-banger, and consistently averages well over 25 mpg. The cabin materials are all solid and the control layout is intuitive. I personally find the steering to be sharper and more enjoyable than the Toyota Camry (my previous car), and many reviews have said likewise.

The 2007 Sonata is supposedly a great step forward from the previous Sonata, and has returned very good quality numbers. The Accord and Sonata are both excellent cars, so I suggest makingg the call based on what you find more enjoyable to drive.
 
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
The Sonata is supposed to be Hyundai's high end car

Not true. That title belongs to the Azera.

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
Has the Honda Accord become or always been a more higher class commuter sedan

This can vary from car to car. If you get a base model with a manual, it is in no way a high class. But if you get an EX-V6 with a nav, than it very much so is higher class. But don't forget all the other models are the same way. All have four cylinder as their base engine, and the Sonata, Camry, and Accord can have an optional V6. The reason you will find the Honda Accord to be so much more expensive is not because it is more luxurious, but because it holds its value so well. It has a rock solid reputation. The Camry does too.

Your price range puts you in a bit of a pickle though. At $9500, you are looking at a fairly old Accord with high miles. Most likely a late 90's model with close to 100,000 miles. When it comes to a Corolla or Elantra, you will be able to find a lot newer of a model for the same price. It all depends on what you are looking for. An older car with a bulletproof reputation, or a newer car with possibly less features, and only a decent reputation.

But to directly answer your question, no, I do not believe Honda to be higher end or more luxurious than Toyota or Hyundai. If anything, I would pair Honda and Toyota together and say they are a higher class than Hyundai. But than again, keep in mind it all comes down which model you are looking at. A Honda Accord EX V6 will appear much nicer than a base Toyota Camry LE. But at the same time, a Toyota Camry XLE V6 will look much nicer than a Honda Accord DX.

Have you considered an American car by chance? You can usually find fairly decent deals on cars in that range. Much newer than what you will find compared to a Japanese. And while the American build quality is in question, keep in mind it is greatly improved.


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Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:30 pm

I've got two friends who drive Camry's, one a '99 and one an '00, and they're both suffer from crippling transmission problems, at only 70 and 120 thousand miles. Both of them are trying to get rid of them as quickly as possible, and rightly so. However, my father used to have a 1998 Lexus ES300 (basically the same as a Camry). He put over 220k miles on it without a problem.

That being said, I drive a 1998 Accord with 110k miles. It's an absolutely fantastic car. Haven't really had any major problems with it in the year I've owned it. Given a choice between the cars you listed, I'd definetly go for the Accord (regardless of trim level).

Hyundais have terrible resale value, and as Flight152 said, the Corolla and Accord are in completely different classes.

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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
Has the Honda Accord become or always been a more higher class commuter sedan riather than the Hyundai, or the Toyota?

Higher than Hyundai yes, Toyota they compete with head to head. Hyundai has come around since the old Excel they offered back in the 80s but I still find them lacking. I had a Sonata as a rental car and found the fit and finish lacking compared to even my old 1996 Accord along with questionable hanling and power.

Toyota usually has a lower price point on a like-trimlevel basis with Honda but then you realize they have many more options that come standard with Hondas and the price evens out. One example was side airbags. Toyota put them in an option pack while Honda offered them across all models and trim levels.

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
And also which car is best for about 9500 dollars.

Good luck there. You're looking at used with some miles on it.

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
Now i was looking on craigslist and other places and i noticed a big price gap between a 2003 accord and a 2003 corolla or even a sonata which is what my mom has for the moment while her oddysey is in for repairs.

The Accord, Camry, Sonata all play in the same space while the Corolla, Civic, and whatever the smaller Hyundai is compete with each other. Nissan is a weird one to me with the Altima and Maxima seeming to comepete in the same space though the Maxima is higher poweredkind of like an Accord+.

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 4):
I drive a 1998 Accord with 110k miles. It's an absolutely fantastic car. Haven't really had any major problems with it in the year I've owned it.

I had a 1996 Accord EX-L with 186K miles on it when I traded it in this summer on a used 2005 Accord EX-L with 30K miles (ex-lease car.) I never had any major problems with the car other than wheel alignments but that came from driving in Atlanta. I did lose a radiator fan one day and a radiator hose twice but other than that everything else was normal maintenance. Oh, forgot the dead AC at 150K but that seems trivial given the miles on it at that point. Also, when I traded it in I was still on the original transmission fluid.
It was a damn good car and that's why I'm in another one. Next care I'll probably move up to the Acura TL but at least stay in the Honda family.
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:03 pm

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
Either The Corolla, Sonata, Elantra, and the Accord.

As mentioned these are not all cars in the same category.

Civic, Corolla, Elentra, Lancer, Sentra.

Accord, Sonata, Camry, Galant, Altima (the Maxima possibly, but as mentioned Nissan complicates that a bit. The Altima/Maxima almost competes with themselves.)

They are all good cars though, you can't go wrong with Toyota or Honda, Hyundai is trying very hard to make a name now, and they really dont have any problems. Nissan just makes really nice cars these days. Personally in that bunch I would go for the Maxima. My bro had an older model Maxima and I had a Civic and I was very jealous of him. Sweet sweet engine.
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:31 pm

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
. Now everyone in my ENTIRE and EXTENDED family drives Hondas with the execption of my Uncle who has 5 kids and has a Denali and Ford Truck

My advice, hang out with your uncle a bit more.

You are 13-15 and you proposed a list of such bland and boring vehicles. I mean $9500 and you could be driving a Supercharged Grand Prix GTP, a Honda Prelude, like an 00-01 Acura Integra, Ford Focus SVT with a nice 6 speed and a peppy 2.0L I4, an 04 Impala with a 3.4L V6 with miles in the 40k.

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
And also which car is best for about 9500 dollars. With or without payments. Either one.



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 3):
Have you considered an American car by chance? You can usually find fairly decent deals on cars in that range. Much newer than what you will find compared to a Japanese. And while the American build quality is in question, keep in mind it is greatly improved.

Lets not forget American build quality is much better than European. Also lets not forget that out of the top 5 best quality manufacturers 3 of them are American with only Lexus and Porsche being better.



For $9500 Id buy something like a Grand Prix GT 3.8L V6 (around 40k miles). More power than Camry, Sonata, Corolla. Cheap parts, parts available much quicker if need of replacement. That includes wear and tear like oil and fluid changes and brakes. Will it last as long as a Honda? If you take care of it. Realistically speaking no one these days keeps their cars a good decade.

Im really worried when I see a kid whos 13-15 has $9500 on his hands and is considering a Camry. (To be fair id be scared if you were considering a Regal or a Taurus which is just as exciting). 9.5K and you can get yourself that you can pass Grandma safely in her Honda Civic on the highway.
 
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:50 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 7):
My advice, hang out with your uncle a bit more.

 
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:56 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 6):
Lets not forget American build quality is much better than European. Also lets not forget that out of the top 5 best quality manufacturers 3 of them are American with only Lexus and Porsche being better
Well, not really true, the complexity is much more higher for European cars, especially the car electrical system. 10-20 year old technology is far more reliable then brand new "state of the art" technology DURABILITY wise, especially in electronics. Don't let me get started about chassis and vehicle dynamics...

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against American built cars. I'm just trying to explain why JDP looks like it look.

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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
And also which car is best for about 9500 dollars

Try looking at a 1999 or so BMW 323i or 328i. Great handling cars that have that quality feel to them. The 328 feels more powerful than its horsepower numbers suggest. However, these may have well over 100,000 miles on them, but BMW's usually do NOT suffer from problems at this stage, and can run for many more years with regular maintenance.

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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 8):

 rotfl   rotfl 

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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:15 am

Not really. Accura is Honda's high end line. Honda's are still priced pretty well. But, as said above, the Corola, or Crayola, competes with the Civic.


As for Hyundai, they are trying to crack into the "Luxury" market, only they price their "high end" cars cheap. From what I can tell, they are pretty well made, and nice cars. They are trying to lure people away from the BMW 7 series with how roomy their Sonata is.


You can't go wrong with a Honda, though.
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:36 am

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
Basically what im asking here is, Has the Honda Accord become or always been a more higher class commuter sedan riather than the Hyundai, or the Toyota? And also which car is best for about 9500 dollars. With or without payments. Either one.

I bought a 1998 ES300 a year and a half ago for $9900. It was an older car but only had 65k miles on it. For what I paid (and my intended use as a commuter car), it was the best deal I found. As I plan to run the car into the ground, I was more interested in the useful life left in the car rather than the age alone. The reliability ratings on the ES300 are the highest around.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 12):
They are trying to lure people away from the BMW 7 series with how roomy their Sonata is.

                                                                                                                                                                            

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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting Molykote (Reply 13):

Hey man, I think it's funny, too. I mean they claim it has more interior space than a BMW 7 series.... It can't compete with the 7, but they compare the car to it....
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:04 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 6):
The Altima/Maxima almost competes with themselves

I think the current Maxima competes more with the Avalon. The Altima is the same level now as the Accord and Camry. Back in the days when both Maxima/Altima were smaller they were same class as Accord/Civic or Camry/Corolla. The Sentra is now the small, inexpensive, entry level car like Corolla and Civic.

With 9.5K, put a down payment on a new car and finance the rest. I bet there are still model year 2006 cars sitting at the dealer's lot with big discounts. With a new car you spend less money on maintenance, unless fixing up cars is your hobby.
 
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 7):
Lets not forget American build quality is much better than European.

I see that exact quote on nearly every intervention of yours in every car-related thread, even if it's not particularly related.

Is this the new A vs. B?
 
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:37 pm

Quoting JJJ (Reply 16):
I see that exact quote on nearly every intervention of yours in every car-related thread, even if it's not particularly related.

Did I miss something or did he want a reliable car and have us make a recommendation? I am telling him the facts, I dont care if they sit well with you or not.
 
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:52 pm

Thanks a lot for all of your imput and feedback. I never realized that i would get such a big response. As for the cars. My dad talked with me and let me know that tomorrow he was flying down to visit with my aunt who is moving into a group home for the elderly. She has a 2002 accord LX model. Now i dont really know what the difference between the EX and LX except for the fact that the LX doesnt have the rood thingy that retracts. But hopefully i might recieve that car. Right now i mean i have a 89 accord and i need to adjust the torque converter just to get it to start.
 
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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:05 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 17):
Did I miss something or did he want a reliable car and have us make a recommendation? I am telling him the facts, I dont care if they sit well with you or not.

Did you read my reply to that statement? Facts not preferences!

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RE: Honda A More High End Car Nowadays?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 17):
Did I miss something or did he want a reliable car and have us make a recommendation? I am telling him the facts, I dont care if they sit well with you or not.



Up until your intervention nobody had ever mentioned european cars at all, so I merely pointed it out.

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