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Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:25 am

Boy - Sen. Biden pulls no punches in his opinion of his fellow democrats.

Obama is fluff, Hillary too calibrated, and Edwards doesn't know what he's doing.

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Mr. Biden is equally skeptical---albeit in a slightly more backhanded way---about Mr. Obama. "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," he said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."



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"Are they going to turn to Hillary Clinton?" Biden asked, lowering his voice to a hush to explain why Mrs. Clinton won't win the election. "Everyone in the world knows her," he said. "Her husband has used every single legitimate tool in his behalf to lock people in, shut people down. Legitimate. And she can't break out of 30 percent for a choice for Democrats? Where do you want to be? Do you want to be in a place where 100 percent of the Democrats know you? They've looked at you for the last three years. And four out of 10 is the max you can get?"



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"I don't think John Edwards knows what the heck he is talking about," Mr. Biden said, when asked about Mr. Edwards' advocacy of the immediate withdrawal of about 40,000 American troops from Iraq. "John Edwards wants you and all the Democrats to think, 'I want us out of there,' but when you come back and you say, 'O.K., John'"---here, the word "John" became an accusatory, mocking refrain---"'what about the chaos that will ensue? Do we have any interest, John, left in the region?' Well, John will have to answer yes or no. If he says yes, what are they? What are those interests, John? How do you protect those interests, John, if you are completely withdrawn? Are you withdrawn from the region, John? Are you withdrawn from Iraq, John? In what period? So all this stuff is like so much Fluffernutter out there. So for me, what I think you have to do is have a strategic notion. And they may have it---they are just smart enough not to enunciate it."


Is he doing this to offer himself up as an alternative?

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Mr. Biden, who ran an ill-fated campaign for President in 1988, is a man who believes his time has finally come, announcing this week that he was filing papers to make his 2008 Presidential bid official. Although he admits to a tendency to "bloviate," he thinks that an aggressive advocate with rough edges might be just what the party needs right now. "Democrats nominated the perfect blow-dried candidates in 2000 and 2004," he said, "and they couldn't connect.

http://www.observer.com/20070205/200...n_Horowitz_pageone_newsstory1.html
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AirCop
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:36 am

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Is he doing this to offer himself up as an alternative?

One word: Yes
Can he get the nod from the Democratic party: No
Talks too much, has some skeletons in his closet (but then again so does McCain)
at this time to right center for the party as a whole.

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
"Democrats nominated the perfect blow-dried candidates

As did the Republicans, if GWB was a homely looking guy he wouldn't have gotten the nomination either, all candidates need to look good on television.
 
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:37 am

All I can say is good luck to my Senator. He probably one of the more likable contenders for the position. I've met him on many occasions and I'll I see is good intentions from him. He lays his thoughts down without the "sugar coating."
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:49 am

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Boy - Sen. Biden pulls no punches in his opinion of his fellow democrats.

And let the games begin.
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 3):
And let the games begin.

Unfortunately, they did on 8 November, 2006, and we're going to have to suffer through it until 11/3/2008.

Biden seems like an interesting candidate. Can't say I totally disagree with his views on the other front runners, but I tend to agree with AirCop about his prospects. But hey, one can hope. I think overall I'm still pulling for Giuliani, but he has even less of a chance than Biden in getting his party's nod.
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 4):
I think overall I'm still pulling for Giuliani, but he has even less of a chance than Biden in getting his party's nod.

Might surprise everyone, the dark horse sometimes win. Just wish your elections didn't go on all the time. It seems to me when I turn on the TV there is always election talk going on. We in Canada are sick of our elections having had 2 in the last couple of years and we are all hoping that we can get by without anymore for awhile. Besides they cost a lot of money. Have a question, if all the money that was spent by various people on elections was put to say helping the health care system etc, wouldn't that be a better way to spend the money, rather than on TV etc. Everyone on election time is for this and that until they get in then they forget about what they promised just my  twocents 
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:13 am

Biden is an insufferable twit.

If this gasbag got the nomination, and the GOP offered up Rudy Guiliani, I'd vote for Rudy anytime.
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 5):
Just wish your elections didn't go on all the time.

You're preaching to the choir. Although its totally contrary to our 'free speach' concept, I could almost support a ban on campaigning except for an x week period before the actual election.

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 5):
Have a question, if all the money that was spent by various people on elections was put to say helping the health care system etc, wouldn't that be a better way to spend the money, rather than on TV etc.

Interesting statistic I heard this morning, that a Presidential bid now costs approximately $1B total (I'm assuming that means from start to getting party nomination, through the election). Obviously Senate, House, Gubernatorial and state races are significantly less, but still, the vast amount of money that goes into nothing but putting a but in a seat in a government building is insane.
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 7):
You're preaching to the choir. Although its totally contrary to our 'free speach' concept, I could almost support a ban on campaigning except for an x week period before the actual election.

Wondering if it was different when the political parties picked the candidates at the conventions, unlike today with the endless primaries. Who would have been on the ballot in November 2000 if the party hacks picked the candidates? Anyway if the primary system is going to be used, lets just have one national primary, that way the states of New Hampshire and Iowa won't have an major influence on our candidates..
 
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," he said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Wha the hell is wrong with Biden? This guy makes Dan Quayle look like Einstein.

Were prior African-American candidates a bunch of ghetto-trashy, ebonics mumbling, dirty looking, fuglies?

What about JC Watts? Harold Ford? Jesse Jackson Jr.?

And say what you want about Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton - those guys sure dress up, and are pretty articulate (I mean, you can't shut them up, much like Biden).

This guy is old hat and a loser. He wins in Delaware because of continuous name recognition and incumbency. Someone needs to put a gag order on him.
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
He wins in Delaware because of continuous name recognition and incumbency.

and that he actually does stuff for the state.
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
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Mr. Biden is equally skeptical---albeit in a slightly more backhanded way---about Mr. Obama. "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," he said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

I don't think he meant this as a racist remark, but he doesn't have his facts right.

Politics, isn't it fun.

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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:09 am

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 11):
I don't think he meant this as a racist remark,

While I agree with you, boy is Biden taking alot of heat regarding his comments regarding Senator Obama. Can you say you're finished before you started.
 
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):
While I agree with you, boy is Biden taking alot of heat regarding his comments regarding Senator Obama. Can you say you're finished before you started.

They had this on NPR this morning, along with some of his other 'quips' that have gotten him into trouble. He may not be done before he starts, but another blunder like this and he'll be toast.
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):
Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 11):
I don't think he meant this as a racist remark,

While I agree with you, boy is Biden taking alot of heat regarding his comments regarding Senator Obama.

I don't think Biden is racist either.

He's just an idiot, a loud mouth, and suffers from foot-in-the-mouth-itis.
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):
boy is Biden taking alot of heat regarding his comments regarding Senator Obama

Apparently Jesse Jackson is okay with his remarks, and I'm sure it would have been a very different story had it been a Republican making the same gaffe Silly.
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RE: Biden Lays Out His Thoughts On 2008

Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:35 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
and I'm sure it would have been a very different story had it been a Republican making the same gaffe

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