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US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:25 am

From the AP:

Quote:
A New York congressman on Wednesday jokingly suggested the Bush administration may fear a "platoon of lesbians" more than terrorists in Baghdad, given the military's resistance to letting homosexuals openly serve.

Gary Ackerman, a New York City Democrat, was criticizing the military for firing Arabic and Farsi translators after learning they were gay. He suggested to Condi Rice at a Foreign Relations House Committee that her department should hire those translators.

Video of the exchange: http://wcbstv.com/video/?id=96468@wcbs.dayport.com

He's right...don't ask, don't tell is discriminatory. Look at Britain, our closest ally, they let gays serve openly and it hasn't been an issue for them.

With our military being short on manpower, they should be recruiting every willing and talented American we can get. Especially ones with critical skills needed in the Middle East.

[Edited 2007-02-09 00:28:44]
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:35 am

As I've already stated in another thread. The Bush administration can't be picky about who volunteers to fight his war in Iraq.
Gays should be able to serve openly in the military.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:44 am

Amazing isn't it. Instead of homosexuals, according to the CNN report linked in another thread, the U.S. armed forces will take convicted felons who haven't even yet served their time.

I'm sure there's some logic in there somewhere, but I'm hard-pressed to find it. I think of the arguments such as "unit cohesion", yet fighting side-by-side with a convicted criminal contributes to the cohesion of a unit? The argument just doesn't work out for me.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):

and Alexander the Great could probably come back from the dead and kick everyone's tail!

ha!
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:54 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Gays should be able to serve openly in the military.

The late Barry Goldwater is quoted as saying gays should be able to serve as long as they can shoot a gun..Quite frankly any american resident that meets the entry requirements and wants to serve in the military should be entitled.
 
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:05 am

Sometimes I have to look at a calendar just to remind myself what year we are living in.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 5):
Sometimes I have to look at a calendar just to remind myself what year we are living in.

1782, why do you ask?
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
1782, why do you ask?

Well at some point I thought we would stop with the one step forward and 2 steps backwards.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:26 am

Shows that there's still a lot of convoluted idiocy in the military.

Gays should serve, if they can be of benefit to defending the nation. After all, they're part of the citzenry that the military is defending, are they not?

I'm sure AirTran737 will set us straight here, and tell us how it's so bad for gays to serve. After all, we won't even give them insurance.  Yeah sure
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
I'm sure AirTran737 will set us straight here, and tell us how it's so bad for gays to serve. After all, we won't even give them insurance.

If gays were to serve, the military might have to give them insurance.
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:17 am

It appears that change is on the horizon regarding this issue...Maybe not in the next two years, but it will inevitably happen soon. A bill was introduced in the 109th Congress to let gays serve openly. There were a lot of co-sponsors--both Democrats and Republicans--but it went nowhere in a Republican-controlled Congress. There has already been talk of a similiar bill being re-introduced and it would likely pass this time.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:50 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
As I've already stated in another thread. The Bush administration can't be picky about who volunteers to fight his war in Iraq.

And once again, you're off the mark Superfly. Why you incessantly bring Bush into every thread lately is baffling. Are you practicing to be the new RSmith?

The Don't Ask, Don't Tell came about long before Bush. It's stupid, it's a wasted policy, it's ridiculous, but it AIN'T PotUS's doing.  sarcastic 
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:32 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 10):
There has already been talk of a similiar bill being re-introduced and it would likely pass this time.

Would Bush veto it?
Will Congress have to wait until Hillary Clinton becomes President in 2009 to sign this bill in to law?
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:24 pm

With how much the right wing hates us homos you would think that they would be bending over backwards to let us go to Iraq to be shot and keep the breeders alive and procreating.
 
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:41 pm

Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 13):

Your entire post is inflammatory and stereotypic.

I can introduce you to some die-hard right wingers right here on this site that could give a damn about your sexual preference. And I'm quite certain they don't want you - or anyone else - going off to Iraq or anywhere else simply to become cannon fodder.

The term "breeder" is offensive. It's no different than someone straight calling you a faggot.

I'll wait for the apology.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:54 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
The term "breeder" is offensive. It's no different than someone straight calling you a faggot.

as a gay man I have to agree - attaching general labels ( particularly derogatory ones ) to any group of people is offensive . furthermore , it is inaccurate , there are lots of straight people who dont have kids and lots of gay people who do

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
can introduce you to some die-hard right wingers right here on this site that could give a damn about your sexual preference

as a slightly left of centre person myself I can also agree with this - I know many 'right wing' people who argue for freedom for everybody and are opposed to any sort of silly arbritary rules such as "dont ask , dont tell"

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
Quite frankly any american resident that meets the entry requirements and wants to serve in the military should be entitled.

on a lighter note , I really do need new glasses ... on first glance I misread this as :

"Quite frankly any american President that meets the entry requirements and wants to serve in the military should be entitled"

an excellent idea , particularly with the current one Big grin
 
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:19 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
I can introduce you to some die-hard right wingers right here on this site that could give a damn about your sexual preference.



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
I know many 'right wing' people who argue for freedom for everybody and are opposed to any sort of silly arbritary rules such as "dont ask , dont tell"

Add me to your list of die-hard right wingers. I am very vocal on here when it comes to my religion (Christian) and being a Republican and I must say, I do have a lot of respect for Kiwiandrew. Although I may not agree or would choose to have their lifestyle, it makes them no different then me. I have many gay friends and we actually hang out, go on vacations, dinner groups and everything. In fact, one of my gay friends is one of my closest friends. If someone who is gay wants to be part of the military, I cant see why it would be a problem. Although I have never been in the military and ANCFlyer has, so maybe he would have a different perspective then me and would enlighten me I dont know.

A right-wing nut job here is cool with those of different sexual orientation!
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:28 pm

Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 13):
keep the breeders alive and procreating.

Must we keep calling each other names?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
The term "breeder" is offensive. It's no different than someone straight calling you a faggot.

 checkmark 

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
as a gay man I have to agree - attaching general labels ( particularly derogatory ones ) to any group of people is offensive . furthermore , it is inaccurate , there are lots of straight people who dont have kids and lots of gay people who do

 checkmark 

The military could also be of the mindset that that gays are unable to serve in the capacity that others serve. By this I mean in an agressive manner, able to be in confined spaces without "wanting" a fellow soldier under dire circumstances, therefore endangering them and the troup.

That list goes on.

When will the madness end? Who knows. Doubtful in my lifetime with this country. It is just yet another sad day when more than qualified individuals are being told no, asked to leave or harassed based on sexuality. The people that bring this (gays not being allowed to serve in the military) up all the time should maybe serve to take the place of those being asked to leave.

That'll never happen either.

The rhetoric continues.

For the record, it has nothing to do with with Bush, this administration or Republicans. It falls squarely on members of society and their unwillingness to accept those different to themselves or what may be percieved as a threat (what threat and how, I have yet to figure that out)to them.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:39 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 18):
It falls squarely on members of society and their unwillingness to accept those different to themselves or what may be percieved as a threat (what threat and how, I have yet to figure that out) to them.

totally agree - I think your signature sums it up - regrettably no one seems to have found a cure for stupidity . In the meantime the US will have to fallback on less qualified people to fill the posts left empty because of idiotic sackings - it has been said before that "Military Intelligence" is an oxymoron - and this is proof of it
 
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:04 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 17):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 15):as a gay man I have to agree - attaching general labels ( particularly derogatory ones ) to any group of people is offensive . furthermore , it is inaccurate , there are lots of straight people who dont have kids and lots of gay people who do
 
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Now wait, in another thread, you thought that gay bashing was hysterically funny.
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
Now wait, in another thread, you thought that gay bashing was hysterically funny.

You either have a policy or you don't. But you can't have it both ways. Either you let gays in the military or you don't it is that simple. You can't beat around the "bush" and have it both ways
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 17):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 15):as a gay man I have to agree - attaching general labels ( particularly derogatory ones ) to any group of people is offensive . furthermore , it is inaccurate , there are lots of straight people who dont have kids and lots of gay people who do




Now wait, in another thread, you thought that gay bashing was hysterically funny.

you are mixing me up with someone else - I have certainly never said or posted or thought any such thing
 
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 20):
Either you let gays in the military or you don't it is that simple.

Oh I agree! I was referring to EWR's comments in the Gay Snickers thread.
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:21 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
you are mixing me up with someone else - I have certainly never said or posted or thought any such thing

If you look at my post clearly, I was quoting you only because EWR had not responded to your post with anything other than the checkmark symbol. With his name at the top of the quote, I presumed it would be clear.
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:14 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
Oh I agree! I was referring to EWR's comments in the Gay Snickers thread.

I saw that commercial and as a straight person I really didn't see anything wrong with it, just stupid that's all. Don't see any reason that anyone would get upset over it, maybe we all need to cool down and look at life a little differently. We need to laugh at one another and get a life, it is too short as it is. If we can't laugh at one another then we are really in very sad shape
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 24):
I saw that commercial and as a straight person I really didn't see anything wrong with it, just stupid that's all.

The one that played on TV, I didn't have any problem with either. The alternate ending version, which sparked the controversy, with one guy going after the other with a wrench, and the other getting a car hood slammed down on his head, was over the top. But that's for the other thread.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terro

Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
The Don't Ask, Don't Tell came about long before Bush. It's stupid, it's a wasted policy, it's ridiculous, but it AIN'T PotUS's doing.

Agreed but it could be his undoing, could it not? He's been the CiC for well over 6 years now. Of course then he might be seen as a flip flopper being that he wants a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.  crazy 
 
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 26):
Agreed but it could be his undoing, could it not?

I doubt it . . . really. There's plenty of other things that may well be his undoing - Don't Ask, Don't Tell ain't one of 'em. . . . J

Just another excuse for Superfly (and whomever else - if the combat boot fits . . .) to poke a stick at PotUS - and this case, unwarranted . . . there are just times when it gets excessively monotonous.
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):
I doubt it . . . really. There's plenty of other things that may well be his undoing - Don't Ask, Don't Tell ain't one of 'em.

That's my point. If we had a CiC who had a different view about gays than our current CiC, don't you think he/she would have taken steps by now to reverse this ridiculous policy? Especially given the dire straits of our current military staffing.
 
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 28):
That's my point. If we had a CiC who had a different view about gays than our current CiC, don't you think he/she would have taken steps by now to reverse this ridiculous policy? Especially given the dire straits of our current military staffing.

Well, sure I suppose. If I were CinC, I'd have done away with it.

Current PotUS and past PotUS didn't do anything about it.

Next PotUS? Who knows. I'd make a serious bet, if it's Sen Clinton, no change. If it's McCain, no change.

My point is, folks that are blaming Bush 2 for Don't Ask, Don't Tell have their heads in rectal defilade . . . see reply 1, this thread.

He didn't start it, but he didn't end it either. Do you think, even if he'd wanted to he could gotten by the Right Side of the Congress/Senate?  no 
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:24 pm

ANCFlyer:
I am not blaming Bush for the 'Dont ask, dont tell' policy. That's Clinton's fault.  Smile
However, Bush should lift the ban because our military is stretched thin as a result of Bush & Co's war.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terro

Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
Would Bush veto it?
Will Congress have to wait until Hillary Clinton becomes President in 2009 to sign this bill in to law?

We can start blaming Bush if he vetoes a bill that would allow gays to serve openly.

In all likelihood, the current Congress won't create such a bill. The Democrats don't want to give any chance for the Republican noise machine to start droning on about gay issues. Remember, many Dems believe that Kerry lost Ohio in 2004 because an anti-gay marriage amendment was on the ballot in the state.

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 20):
You either have a policy or you don't. But you can't have it both ways. Either you let gays in the military or you don't it is that simple. You can't beat around the "bush" and have it both ways

You're right, we can't have it both ways. The policy was typical Clinton 'third way triangulation.' However, I'm curious as to what you think PanAm...gays in the military or gays should be banned?
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:58 am

Quoting Max999 (Reply 31):
You're right, we can't have it both ways. The policy was typical Clinton 'third way triangulation.' However, I'm curious as to what you think PanAm...gays in the military or gays should be banned?

My feelings are that if they meet the physical and medical requirements of the military then why not. But the US Armed Forces have to make up their minds yes or no, you can't be half and half. I know when I was in the military, I know that it was before Noah's time, we had a so so feeling against gays, it was bread by a lot of theories and innuendos. You see when I was in the Navy, when you signed the articles of enlistment, you became the property of the US Government. You could not grow a beard wth out permission, you could not get a tatto,(actually this was a good thing, because where some of the guys got them, all sorts of weird and wonderful stuff bred), so you see we are talking about a different time and era, so I can only make a general comment and I hope that you will all understand where I am coming from
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 13):
With how much the right wing hates us homos you would think that they would be bending over backwards to let us go to Iraq to be shot and keep the breeders alive and procreating.

Would you call your parents "breeders" to their faces? Come on, we've moved on from these outdated and offensive terms.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
The term "breeder" is offensive. It's no different than someone straight calling you a faggot.

Couldn't have said it better, ANC.

Anyway, back to the topic of this thread: I know a few lesbians who'd make mincemeat of any opponent. The army should be signing them up pronto.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting Max999 (Thread starter):
Quote:
A New York congressman on Wednesday jokingly suggested the Bush administration may fear a "platoon of lesbians" more than terrorists in Baghdad, given the military's resistance to letting homosexuals openly serve.

Thats funny because I think it is true.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
The late Barry Goldwater is quoted as saying gays should be able to serve as long as they can shoot a gun..Quite frankly any american resident that meets the entry requirements and wants to serve in the military should be entitled.

I fully agree! This country belongs to the gays of this nation as much as it does the straight ones. Anyone who can serve this country by joining the military should be allowed to serve.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
I can introduce you to some die-hard right wingers right here on this site that could give a damn about your sexual preference. And I'm quite certain they don't want you - or anyone else - going off to Iraq or anywhere else simply to become cannon fodder.

Hello, you called? I may be a rebublican, but I don't care about sexual orientation. AeroWesty and STLGph can vouch for that. And I certainly don't want anyone to simply become cannon fodder!
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
The term "breeder" is offensive. It's no different than someone straight calling you a faggot.

No it is not.

Don't engage in hyperbole that fails the laugh test.

It's crude and stupid, but I doubt if anyone anywhere on God's green earth has been taunted or been discriminated against by being called "breeder." Being called a faggot is accompanied by all the negative connotations, historical discrimination and more that gays have experienced over the years.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
I am not blaming Bush for the 'Dont ask, dont tell' policy. That's Clinton's fault.

Clinton can be faulted for a political misstep very early in his Presidency, and for being a coward when Republicans (McCain, Colin Powell, John Warner, Rush Limbaugh, etc. etc.) and Sen. Sam Nunn (then Democratic Senator from GA) jumped on him and made the repeal of the anti-gay law a big issue.

As for the ban on gays in the military, blame that Avatar of the GOP, Ronnie Reagan for that.

Colin Powell, of course, recently stated that his obnoxious and vehement opposition to gays in the military back in 1993 was misplaced. Doesn't he always have a reawakening once its no longer a political liability for him? The man has no spine. He's a political hack through and through who will say and do anything to please his political masters, and Iraq has proved that once again.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):
Just another excuse for Superfly (and whomever else - if the combat boot fits . . .) to poke a stick at PotUS - and this case, unwarranted . . . there are just times when it gets excessively monotonous.

Much like your bobble-headed defense of the PotUS which entails nothing more than making accusations against those who accuse Bush for doing nothing in order to appease his religious right worshippers.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:14 am

Jaysit:
Once again, Jaysit is 100% spot on!  yes 



ANCFlyer, I know you are smarter that this. You know or at least should know that the term 'breeder' is not an offensive term and nowhere near the same category as the word 'faggot'. That word is meant to offend, anger and get a reaction. Technically a bi-sexual can be a 'breeder' too.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Instead of homosexuals, according to the CNN report linked in another thread, the U.S. armed forces will take convicted felons who haven't even yet served their time.



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
arguments such as "unit cohesion"

It may be just me, but I would be more concerned by the risk of a knife in my back than a d-ck up my behind. Apart from the obvious consequences of either action, I am convicted (no pun intended) that a criminal would be quite likely to settle differences with the knife. Is there anyone who would use his (or hers) buddies for sexual release? And since the US Armed Forces are volunteer forces rather than conscript armies, they should go all the way and let any law-abiding citizen who wants to, serve. Once the idea of racially integrated units in the military was seen as preposterous. And even earlier, the presence of a woman aboard a ship was thought to cause bad luck.
It´s not like the Israeli reservations to conscripting Arab Israelis into the Armed Forces, which has to do with the fact that you don´t let the enemy into your army.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting Deskflier (Reply 37):
Is there anyone who would use his (or hers) buddies for sexual release?

Those are called 'friends with benefits' or 'f--k buddies'. Those are mutually agreed sexual relationships that are good friends to hang out with in and out of the bed.  Smile
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
you thought that gay bashing was hysterically funny.

Hey Westy, gay bashing is never hysterically funny. Ever. I did, however, find the Snickers ad hysterically funny. I do see your point, a very valid one at that. I just found the ad funny, personally.

It is probably bad that as a gay man I feel that way, but it is the truth. I do find it also really funny (yet in a sad way, funny) that, whomever does these types of ads, people feel the need to perpetuate really old stereotypes of a certain group of people to sell whatever.

It will be a great day when you no longer have to degrade people or make another group feel bad to sell a product, instead of the product selling itself (if it is that good in the first place).

Look at the robot suicide ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8m9-PgWreE

Just as bad, I guess. I stand corrected.

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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 39):
I did, however, find the Snickers ad hysterically funny.

I found the one shown on TV funny as well, just not one of the ones that had an alternate ending. I thought the Australian ad I linked in the other thread way more funny, because it was clever. It's interesting that the same company can produce an ad for essentially the same product so differently.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 39):
Bad gay man.

I don't think that way about you at all. I was merely attempting to understand what seemed to be points of view that didn't seem to be in sync.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 40):
I don't think that way about you at all.

I know you don't, merely a look inward of me.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:51 am

The ban on gays in the military exists today only to keep Dubya's hard right evangelical cronies pacified.

Let's hope that either Rudy Giuiliani or Hillary Clinton has the courage to throw it into the dustbin of history where it belongs.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:29 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):

I am not blaming Bush for the 'Dont ask, dont tell' policy. That's Clinton's fault. Smile
However, Bush should lift the ban because our military is stretched thin as a result of Bush & Co's war.

Precisely my point. Whomever instituted the initial ban is a moot point but the current CiC's failure to take the necessary steps to lift it make him just as responsible (irresponsible?) as the person who instituted it. Perhaps even more so. But thanks to the bullheadedness of our current President and his self imposed title as being "The Decider", this ridiculous policy remains in force.
 
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:27 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 35):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
The term "breeder" is offensive. It's no different than someone straight calling you a faggot.

No it is not.

Ummm, yes it is. Period.

End of that topic.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 35):
Colin Powell, of course, recently stated that his obnoxious and vehement opposition to gays in the military back in 1993 was misplaced.

Actually, that was Gen John Shalikashvili . . . but at least you were right on one point - it was a General.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
Jaysit:
Once again, Jaysit is 100% spot on!

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Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
You know or at least should know that the term 'breeder' is not an offensive term and nowhere near the same category as the word 'faggot'.

Apparently some of our gay membership disagree with you 'Fly. And with Jasit as well. Not big deal however, that's normal for you two.
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RE: US Rep-Military More Afraid Of Gays Than Terrorist

Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
The term "breeder" is offensive. It's no different than someone straight calling you a faggot.

I'll wait for the apology.

The post was meant to be sarcastic.

I don't find the word breeder offensive and I'm sorry that ANC did as it was not intended to be.

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