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Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:23 am

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17075561/

Looks like we have another casualty of Dubya's war, mere weeks after he spouted out his  redflag  national "health care" plan. Luckily, it won't get rubber stamped by Congress this time.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:55 am

While I'm not a fan of Bush (or any other politician that I can think of), the title of the article "Bush’s proposed health-care cuts" is misleading. If you read it through, proposed spending would increase, not decrease. It just wouldn't increase as fast.

I do a lot of work related to the health care industry, and our current payment system is definitely broken. I wouldn't even pretend to have a solution. I'm good friends with the CFO of a fairly large hospital, and he agrees, the system's broken. If five patients with different insurers have the exact same procedure in the same hospital, chances are the hospital will charge five different prices. A person with no insurance would be charged significantly more than any of the insured patients. Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.

Yep.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
If you read it through, proposed spending would increase, not decrease. It just wouldn't increase as fast.

That is mere semantics, as it amounts to a significant spending cut, particularly in light of his incredible fiscal irresponsibility.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:07 am

Quoting N1120A (Thread starter):
Looks like we have another casualty of Dubya's war

You think yours is any better?

 no 

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/sep2003/fran-s09.shtml

France: Heat wave catastrophe exposes health care crisis

By Francis Dubois
9 September 2003

The health crisis that erupted in France following the August heat wave was anything but accidental. For years, health care workers had been warning of the potential results of policies that have led to shortages of staff, lack of training and equipment, hospital closures and more expensive health care for the public.


http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm

Posted 9/25/2003 10:56 AM Updated 9/25/2003 9:23 PM

France heat wave death toll set at 14,802

PARIS (AP) — The death toll in France from August's blistering heat wave has reached nearly 15,000, according to a government-commissioned report released Thursday, surpassing a prior tally by more than 3,000.
 
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting OU812 (Reply 3):
You think yours is any better?

Dude....N1120A is an American.

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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting OU812 (Reply 3):
9 September 2003



Quoting OU812 (Reply 3):
Posted 9/25/2003

nice current sources
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 4):
Dude....N1120A is an American.

 footinmouth . Nope, won't happen.

Cue him finding something bashing a liberal, since that seems to be all he does well. He won't take responsibility for his party's blunders, and diverts attention away from that by attacking, and from what I've seen rather poorly, others.

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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting OU812 (Reply 3):
You think yours is any better?



Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
nice current sources

Hey, he can't even figure out where I am from, despite everyone else seeming to notice. How can you expect him to find current sources?
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
How can you expect him to find current sources?

I dunno........... I just thought it was always so easy. I mean, the Yahoo! news is always current.....CNN is current....DrudgeReport is current.......

Its easy, but somehow ASF and OU812 dont find current sources quite often. Oh. Did I bring up ASF? Where does he fit into this convo.... Oh yes, under the 'Blathering, Pointless, Noise-making Right-Wing Knuckleheads' section.

Im sorry I didnt post anything more , shall we say. virile than knuckleheads.

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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:43 am

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 8):
Im sorry I didnt post anything more , shall we say. virile than knuckleheads.

vir·ile /ˈvɪrəl or, especially Brit., -aɪl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[vir-uhl or, especially Brit., -ahyl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or befitting a man; masculine; manly: virile strength.
2. having or exhibiting masculine energy, forcefulness, or strength in a marked degree.
3. characterized by a vigorous, masculine spirit: a virile literary style.
4. of, pertaining to, or capable of procreation.

Knuckleheads are virile???
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:48 am

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 9):
Knuckleheads are virile???

Well, no thats the point. I could have put 'f*cktards', for instance. But i didnt want to cll them all f*ucktards.

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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:54 am

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 10):
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 9):
Knuckleheads are virile???

Well, no thats the point. I could have put 'f*cktards', for instance. But i didnt want to cll them all f*ucktards.

Cheers,
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I was just kidding, gave me a chuckle....
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
If you read it through, proposed spending would increase, not decrease.

The way that I interpreted his proposal it was nothing more than tax credits on the portions of health insurance that an individual pays but makes the employers contribution taxable which would increase the taxes of the working stiffs who have employers sponsored health care.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
our current payment system is definitely broken.

You are 100% correct on this.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
If five patients with different insurers have the exact same procedure in the same hospital, chances are the hospital will charge five different prices

Calls for a long look at a single payer system that is combined with the present insurance coverage that one has. What is the overhead of medical professionals just to deal with all these insurance companies.
 
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:13 am

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 4):
Dude....N1120A is an American.

Oh!

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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:38 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
nice current sources

You're missing the point! France was supposed to be the example of a superior health care system. Which many lib dems looked up to & wanted. Well, if that's what they want, a complex government health care system where 25, 000 people died throughout Europe as a result of a excessive gov. bureaucracy. No Thanks!

Regarding ours. It obviously needs fixing. And I am all for a universal heath care system that has little gov. involvement & is not easily taken advantaged of. Remember fellas, nothing's free!
 
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:45 am

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.

We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.

Period.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.

We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.

Period.

I won't argue with that. According to the article linked at the top of this thread "the two health programs, which serve 93 million people . . . will cost the government $564 billion this year." That's a big chunk of the budget. You're never going to fix the budget without doing something to fix the healthcare mess.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:42 am

Bush had a health care plan?

Bush talked about giving free health care to Iraqis in his 2004 State of the Union, but I was not aware of a health care plan for the U.S.
 
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:42 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.

Well, there is a major budget item that could be eliminated rather easily.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 17):
Bush had a health care plan?

Bush talked about giving free health care to Iraqis in his 2004 State of the Union, but I was not aware of a health care plan for the U.S.

His idiotic tax deduction plan that Pope actually panned.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:56 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.
Well, there is a major budget item that could be eliminated rather easily.

Actually, I can think of several. Making members of Congress pay for their own health care would be a good start.  Wink
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:02 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
Making members of Congress pay for their own health care would be a good start.

Ok, then the President too.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):Making members of Congress pay for their own health care would be a good start.
Ok, then the President too.

Him too. And the VP. And any other elected official who is getting free medical care.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:24 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
Him too. And the VP. And any other elected official who is getting free medical care.

Hey, I have no problem with government employees getting health care.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:25 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):Him too. And the VP. And any other elected official who is getting free medical care.
Hey, I have no problem with government employees getting health care.

They can pay for it. Just like I do.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:29 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 23):
They can pay for it. Just like I do.

You shouldn't have to pay for it either.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 8):
Oh. Did I bring up ASF? Where does he fit into this convo.... Oh yes, under the 'Blathering, Pointless, Noise-making Right-Wing Knuckleheads' section.

LOL, oh, wait a minute, aren't you the one who has been singing praises for ASF? Why yes, yes you are:
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Just goes to prove that even when he's unable to post, we can't get away from a thread written by or about aerospacefan.


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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:57 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Hey, I have no problem with government employees getting health care.

I do, because my tax dollars are going to a bunch of worthless hacks already making too much money.
 
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:02 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 26):
I do, because my tax dollars are going to a bunch of worthless hacks already making too much money.

They usually take a pay cut to be in government service.
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
That is mere semantics, as it amounts to a significant spending cut

Let me see if I get this correctly:

Spending will rise, just not as much. This to you is a 'cut', right?

And you talk about semantics.

For all of you who are not aware, I don't recall any government programs whose spending was actually cut, just programs that had a scheduled increase not increased as much. But people like N1120A call this a 'cut'.

Good definition of semantics.

So if your boss was going to raise your pay 7%, and then decided to only increase 4%, you would complain about your pay being 'cut'.

Wow...
 
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:09 pm

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 25):
Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 8):
Oh. Did I bring up ASF? Where does he fit into this convo.... Oh yes, under the 'Blathering, Pointless, Noise-making Right-Wing Knuckleheads' section.

LOL, oh, wait a minute, aren't you the one who has been singing praises for ASF? Why yes, yes you are:

 
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:03 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 23):
They can pay for it. Just like I do.

You shouldn't have to pay for it either.

I disagree. Health care is just like any other commodity which we have to pay for. Government employees are well-compensated. We can afford to pay for a share of our health care like any other employee.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 27):
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 26):
I do, because my tax dollars are going to a bunch of worthless hacks already making too much money.

They usually take a pay cut to be in government service.

But when we take that alleged pay cut, we do it with knowledge that there are other benefits that make up for the lower pay.

NASCAR is correct about one thing, though - we do have a certain percentage of "worthless hacks" among us. Not that large a number, but we can't seem to fire them or make them work.....
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RE: Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?

Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 27):
They usually take a pay cut to be in government service.

I actually was referring to high up members in the Government...

Like I don't think I should pay taxes to pry the bottle away from Fat Ted Kennedy, and to pry Dubya's head from his ass. These are guys who were voting for a major pay raise, and I watched the voting of some - not raise minimum wage, but raise their own salaries.

As for government service in general. I think there may be a few too many jobs at least in the Federal level.

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