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Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:19 am

This is a follow up to the thread: Soccer To Be Played In Empty Stadiums (by KROC Feb 9 2007 in Non Aviation)

Quote: Spiegel

Soccer Games Cancelled in Saxony in Wake of Violence

A soccer riot in Leipzig on Saturday has led authorities to cancel games at every level this coming weekend in the entire state of Saxony.


Seems like also Germans are facing problems like Italians.

And quoting from the older thread:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 16):
You really can't judge European football in general based on what the Italians do, because compared to Italian football fans, a meeting between Galatasaray and Besiktas fans in Istanbul can be called a Peace Summit.

I would say that Germans are not giving a good example, either.
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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:25 am

First Italy now Germany? C'mon guys...I though riots were a part of the sport.  Wink Why stop now?

On a serious note, is it just me or will this hurt the teams more than send a message to the fans? I mean, imagine the lost revenue after awhile. Though I assume for those already holding tickets to the events there will be no refunds?

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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting Rammstein (Thread starter):
Seems like also Germans are facing problems like Italians.

In this case, the riots were conveniently confined to one state (Saxony), so it would be easy to claim the problem is theirs and not that of all of Germany. However, Daniel Nivel couldn't possibly care less what state the hooligans who almost murdered him were from, and it's irrelevant anyhow.

Quoting Rammstein (Thread starter):
I would say that Germans are not giving a good example, either.

Yup. The difference might (I'm no that up-to-date on the issue) be that German teams are less supportive of these "ultras" than Italian ones, however the laws supposed to reign them in aren't strict enough as it appears. There's a growing "culture" of hooliganism, i.e. people who go to matches just to wreak havoc during and after them, and it needs to be stopped from growing.
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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:43 am

These hooligans, be it English, German, or Italian are doing one thing. Ruining the reputation of good football fans.

I like the Danish fans...call themselves "roligans" .. rolig in Danish means relaxed  Smile

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  • Behave yourself on your way to the stadium, and when your leave again. Fighting is not an option.
  • Always sing to our national anthym.
  • Be quiet during the oponets national anthym.
  • Be active during the match, with singing and chearing.
  • Support the team at all times. Also if Denmark should be behind. (Okay it never happens).
  • Be well dressed in the colours of red and white.
  • Remember FAIR PLAY at all times.
  • No horns. Sing instead.
  • At stadium always remember to respect other fans. Especially kids and senior citizens.
  • Win or loose. Rember no violence at all.


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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:45 am

I have a question.

A co-worker of mine who loves futbol told me that in Germany fans yell out racial slurs to the darker skin players. Is there any truth to that? I'm not singling out Germany at all but I thought he was pulling my chain. The way the world, well everyone except the USA lol, love futbol especially the world cup I didn't think some people would act like that.
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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 4):
A co-worker of mine who loves futbol told me that in Germany fans yell out racial slurs to the darker skin players. Is there any truth to that?

I'm sure every team from every country have some fans doing this. So in a way he is right, but the same could be said about any other country. Idiots come in all shapes and forms (the racists, not your friend...)

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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:54 am

I can't believe I slept pn posting this thread!

What I love is all the people who said it was the corrupt Italian League...now the Germans are facing the same issues. Perfect.
 
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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:55 am

Here we go again.....

Its almost too easy to rag on Soccer fans these days.
 
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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:58 am

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 4):
Is there any truth to that?

As KaiGywer said, there are fools in every group of people. What you're referring to happens mostly in socially-deprived parts of the former GDR, which is because neo-nazism officially didn't exist in the GDR and was hence not dealt with. As poverty leads to extremism, that's what some people resort to.
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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Rammstein (Thread starter):
I would say that Germans are not giving a good example, either.

Rubbish, the Germans have always been a good example throughout history...

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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:21 am

First of all it's not a widespread phenomenon in Germany.
Second, it only happns in lower leagues.
Third, nobody was killed.
Fourth, the league acted fast without pressure.
Fifth it happens mostly among low class Eastern Germans, which indicates a social problem
Hence, I wouldn't compare the Italian and the German incidents.

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 4):
A co-worker of mine who loves futbol told me that in Germany fans yell out racial slurs to the darker skin players.

Unfortunatly those things happen from time to time. Even crazier are fans who chear for their black players while in the next moment they call racist stuff to the black players of the opponent.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):

As KaiGywer said, there are fools in every group of people. What you're referring to happens mostly in socially-deprived parts of the former GDR, which is because neo-nazism officially didn't exist in the GDR and was hence not dealt with.

BS. Why you're probably right about right wing extremism in Eastern Germany in general, racist slurs during football games happen everywhere in Germany from time to time.

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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:49 am

The problem is that ost hooligans ARE looking for violence, only understand the language of violence and consider talking a sign of weakness.
IMO, ther plice should act much harder against this senseless violence, by using counter voilence. IMO this means equiping the police with efficient distance weapons to HURT the hooligans, like shotguns loaded with bird shot and baton round, like the ones used by the British Army in Northern Ireland. And give the hooligans a good hiding when they get them.
Also, introduce the punishment of caning, Singapore style. While a hooligan might come out of jail showing off his tattos and acting the hard man, I think a bunch of scars on the arse will be rather embarrasing.

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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 6):
I can't believe I slept pn posting this thread!






Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
ost hooligans ARE looking for violence, only understand the language of violence and consider talking a sign of weakness.

If rioters are truly only looking for violence, will they still riot in the absence of these games? I think not. These riots occur before, after and during soccer games. As far as I know, soccer hooligans don't gather round and riot just for the hell of it if there's no game going on.

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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting WellHung (Reply 12):
ost hooligans ARE looking for violence, only understand the language of violence and consider talking a sign of weakness.

If rioters are truly only looking for violence, will they still riot in the absence of these games? I think not. These riots occur before, after and during soccer games. As far as I know, soccer hooligans don't gather round and riot just for the hell of it if there's no game going on.

Yes, they do. Similar to the old fashioned gang rumbles of the 1950s-1960s, they often make appointments by cell phone, internet etc., to meet and fight in places like parks or forests., especially since the police are more and more present at football matches and tend to quell any disturbances right at the beginning.

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RE: Football Matches Cancelled In Germany

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting WellHung (Reply 12):

Let me add this geriatric attempt at a joke of mine... just because:

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