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XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:33 am

Breaking news on ABC-News... More to come soon, but certainly interesting news (albeit not surprising)

Hopefully as an XM subscriber I'll get the benefits of both companies without much trouble in the merger
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:53 am

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=2887179

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The merger would require regulatory approval as well as anti-trust scrutiny. FCC Chairmen Kevin Martin reportedly said last month that a merger could not be approved under current FCC regulations.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:02 am

Whatever they do I should hope they'd work it out so the present subscribers don't have to buy new equipment. I'm holding out on the purchase of a new receiver at the moment for this very reason.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 2):
I'm holding out on the purchase of a new receiver at the moment for this very reason.

And I as well. Though I was guessing one of the two companies would fold. Wasn't expecting a merger.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:12 am

No, sir. I don't like it.



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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:27 am

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ABC News has learned the plan calls for Sirius CEO Mel Karamzen to run the new company.

WTF? Most of the people at XM HATE Mel.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 5):
WTF? Most of the people at XM HATE Mel.

Maybe thats because Mel has been leading Sirius on a charge past XM, while XM has been floundering comparitively.

[Edited 2007-02-19 20:39:12]
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:39 am

I have XM and I had Sirius for a while. I like XM much more. I know it would create a monopoly, but, honestly, it is a subscription service. I don't see a huge problem other than they can jack up the prices. That would suck, but with new digital bands being opened on FM, sattelite has to be competitive some how.

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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:44 am

I'd consider going satellite radio now...part of my issue was the split between sports...half are on XM, the other half Sirius. Couldn't justify picking one over the other. This makes me quite happy...all sports in one place.
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:44 am

What, next thing you know, UA and BA will be merging.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:56 am

Ok, as to it being a Monopoly: Who really cares? It's a subscription service that doesn't offer anything exclusive other then entertainment. Any news value can be gotten elsewhere. While I'm sure the specualtion is in the service will jack up the rates and they might very well do so, how much can they jack up the rates before people start leaving them in droves and putting themselves out of business?
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:57 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 6):
Maybe thats because Mel has been leading Sirius on a charge past XM, while XM has been floundering comparitively.

Actually it's because they have worked for Mel at one point or another during their career, and wouldn't want to do it again. I hear resumes being printed up in DC now.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):

I agree. I chose Sirius for the NFL, NHL and NASCAR deal, as well as Howard Stern, however, the fact that I should be getting MLB soon is just amazing news, I'm really hoping that the price stays the same, and that the equipment does not change, as I just bought a new Sportster 3 reciever.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
No, sir. I don't like it.



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So if Dish and Direct merges that also would be a monopoly? No sir. Cable.

Free radio is and will always be satty radio's main competition.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:18 am

I have XM and was thinking of switiching to Sirius anyways. Sirius has all the good sports now.

XM has nothing anymore....
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 12):
and that the equipment does not change, as I just bought a new Sportster 3 reciever.

At some point that may have to happen. There are clauses in the FCC frequency allocations that say if a merger were to happen, one of the companies would have to give up their license. Since neither company uses the same frequency range (XM 2,332.50 through 2,345.00 MHz, and Sirius, 2,320.00 through 2,332.50 MHz) they will have to determine which band they are going to use. They will have to consider satellite coverage - XM has, or will have 4 in a stationary orbit, and Sirius has 3 in a different orbit. Sirius also has limited repeater coverage, which has produced numerous complaints in some areas. I would think the XM equipment wins out on this part.

What's really interesting is that they are using Sirius's penny stock to fund the merger. Can't wait for the stockholder votes, I'm pretty sure that's where it ends.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 13):
So if Dish and Direct merges that also would be a monopoly?

It wouldn't be in the best interest of those without access to over-the-air and cable service.

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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:43 am

One thing to reference in regards to the monopoly issue. A few years back, DirecTV and Dish Network tried to merge but the merger was blocked because the combined companies would have a monopoly (Both companies had over the previous year, picked up their smaller competitor).

As the regulations are currently written, the two companies cannot merge without one of the companies having to give up their SDARS license. But like many regulations, this can be rewritten at the whim of the agency that issued it. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Clear Channel or CBS Radio comes into play and buys one of the SDARS license.

One thing I'll like about this merger is the fact that I won't lose the NHL, and honestly, XM has done a much better job with the games than Sirius (Although their daily show, NHL Live is excellent.).

Here's are my questions about what will happen if the two companies do actually merge:

1. Equipment. Whose standard is going to be the one that will be retained? Will the subscribers who have the other equipment be left out in the cold or will they continue to supply programming to those with that type of receiver until a set date? At least with the head units, you can just get the brain you need. Everything else would still be up in the air.

2. Programming. What gets the ax, and what stays? Since both companies offer very similar music channels, I would guess those channels would merge. The real action is between Martha Stewart and Oprah and between Howard Stern & Company and O & A and Company. I wouldn't be surprised if O & A packed up and left since they do have the terrestrial stations their show is on.

3. Subscription rates. How much will rates go up as a result?

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 15):
They will have to consider satellite coverage - XM has, or will have 4 in a stationary orbit, and Sirius has 3 in a different orbit. Sirius also has limited repeater coverage, which has produced numerous complaints in some areas. I would think the XM equipment wins out on this part.

XM filed an interesting patent recently with the US Patent Office:
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/xm...eosynchronous-satellite-orbit.html

For those of us with Sirius, the orbit looks familiar.....

[Edited 2007-02-19 21:48:23]
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting AAce24 (Reply 14):
XM has nothing anymore....

 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:34 am

I have both XM and Sirius and I'm happy they announced the merger, it increases the audience and also makes it easier for car manufacturers to select what to offer. The industry is going to grow through new car sales that are equipped for satellite radio.

I hope they keep the name XM.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:38 am

Many people have stated that the two companies will not run as a single service and offer 200+ channels. It is supposed to be a choice given to the consumer, do you want SIRIUS or XM, even though it's kind of one company.
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
I'd consider going satellite radio now...part of my issue was the split between sports...half are on XM, the other half Sirius. Couldn't justify picking one over the other. This makes me quite happy...all sports in one place.

I'm an XM subscriber, and this will be a dream come true. I prefer the music choices on XM, but Sirius has Howard, and with all sports on one channel, it will be outstanding.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:44 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 18):

As I was saying, XM has nothing good anymore.  Wink
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:52 am

The myth about monopoly is really not standing ground.

You have AM/FM radio, you have High Definition Radio, and there's internet. So I doubted the merger is a monopoly.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 23):
You have AM/FM radio, you have High Definition Radio, and there's internet. So I doubted the merger is a monopoly.

Three words for you: National Association of Broadcasters. They'd rather see both companies crawl off and die. They were quite quick to fire off a press release:
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/na...-to-proposed-sirius/xm-merger.html

Here's the part that I find ironic:

Quote:
Given the government's history of opposing monopolies in all forms, NAB would be shocked if federal regulators permitted a merger of XM and Sirius. It bears mentioning that regulators summarily rejected a similar monopoly merger of the nation's only two satellite television companies -- DirecTV and DISH Network -- just a few years back.

A group full of quasi-monopolies trying to play the monopoly card. If they don't want a monopoly in radio, then Clear Channel, CBS Radio, Cumulus Broadcasting, Citadel Broadcasting, Cox Radio (Just to name a few) all need to start selling off stations. In Atlanta alone, Clear Channel owns 6 stations (5 FM, 1 AM).

Back in my college radio days in the early to mid 90s, I had respect for the NAB. Over the last year or so, that respect is down to practically nil.
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:11 am

Remember, XM used to be the ONLY sat radio and their was never any talks of monoplies then, so why would there be now?
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 25):
Remember, XM used to be the ONLY sat radio and their was never any talks of monoplies then, so why would there be now?

XM was the first to go live. Both companies have been around in one incarnation or another for the same amount of time.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 23):
The myth about monopoly is really not standing ground.

When you only have 1 company offering a service, that no one else offers, it is a monopoly. If the 2 were to merge, there is no other company offering competing service. I now have a choice of phone companies, power company, etc. The only thing I don't have an option for is the cable company. That will change soon, when Verizon gets my area wired up with the new fiber obtic system.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:29 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 25):
Remember, XM used to be the ONLY sat radio and their was never any talks of monoplies then, so why would there be now?

Not true. XM received their SDARS license at the same time CD Radio (Sirius) did. XM was the first to launch programming (Sept. 25, 2001 in San Diego and the DFW area), Sirius launched programming about five months later. Sirius would have been first to market (They had originally planned an early 2001 launch date) had there not been issues with the chips in the early receivers.
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:35 am

I'm a loyal Sirius subscriber, I love it. This definitely worries me a little...the possible rise in price, the possible worthless Sirius equipment...
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:02 pm

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 15):
What's really interesting is that they are using Sirius's penny stock to fund the merger. Can't wait for the stockholder votes, I'm pretty sure that's where it ends.

Go take a look at each company's shares outstanding - that should clear up for you why SIRI shares are being distributed. Also, shareholder approval is a no-brainer. Almost all the shares of each company are held by institutional shareholders (which is virtually always the case with public companies) that know each company extremely well. This announcement never would have hit the wires without these institutionals as cheerleaders. Also, on a very basic level, you'd have to be nuts as a shareholder not to be utterly enamored at the prosepct of this deal.

Just my two cents...
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:27 am

Mel was on Stern this morning for about an hour discussing the merger. Some of the points he brought up:

1. No new equipment would be needed as they would keep both standards in use.
2. Subscription rates will not rise, but they are looking into a tiered pricing program.
3. Since the terrestrial radio companies have referred to satellite radio as a competitor in their investor reports, Sirius and XM will be taking a similar tact and say that letting them merge would not create a monopoly since they have not only terrestrial radio as a competitor, but also Ipods and other similar media devices (Devices that at the time the FCC granted XM and Sirius their licenses were still in their infancy.).
4. The merger would be beneficial for consumers as they would have all of the programming both services offer (including the various sports) under one roof so they wouldn't have to subscribe to both services.
5. As for the name for the company, it will probably be either Sirius or XM. While not out of the realm of possibilities, the chances of coming up wth a new name are slim, as the Sirius and XM names already have brand recognition.
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:31 am

Will Howard Cock Block Opie and Anthony again?
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:40 am

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 31):
Will Howard Cock Block Opie and Anthony again?

I have a feeling that if the merger happens, they'll have to decide whether they want to be on satellite or terrestrial. In retrospect, XM made a mistake by making the deal to put O & A on terrestrial in addition to the XM program. Why should folks spend nearly $13 a month for a product they can get for free?
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:53 am

I have had both.. and presently I have XM (for baseball and a few other things) and my girlfriend has Sirius, because she likes the music, and oddly enough, the maxim station.

XMs music programming sucks.. and that is being kind. They have a lot of the bad habits of conventional radio. They have playlists that are a bit too short, and sometimes similar stations will all be playing the same song at the same time (i have seen the same song on 3 stations at once more than a few times). This is bad if you really really really hate the song in question.

The downside of Sirius is the horrible equipment. My girlfriend is now on her 3rd antennae for her sportster 2. The unit itself is clunky, gets hot, and if you mount it to the windshield you will be blinded by the blue light of the display. This could be improved if they would let you change the color (like to red) which the XM roadie lets you do. That still wouldnt change the fact the unit is flippin huge.

Sad fact is, I knew this merger was coming. I don't think the sat radio market is big enough to sustain two providers. I also knew Sirius would be looking for someone to partner with.. especially after Howard Stern fell way below expectations. I do think XM is the healthier company, some things in their programming indicate there might be a partnership with clearchannel coming. Not that I like clear channel, I am convinced their CEO is Darth Vader and they are determined to ruin radio worldwide.. But they do have money.

I think Sirius and XM need this merger to go through otherwise one, and eventually both of them, will be staring Chapter 11 in the face.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 33):

The downside of Sirius is the horrible equipment. My girlfriend is now on her 3rd antennae for her sportster 2. The unit itself is clunky, gets hot, and if you mount it to the windshield you will be blinded by the blue light of the display. This could be improved if they would let you change the color (like to red) which the XM roadie lets you do. That still wouldnt change the fact the unit is flippin huge.

Other than my first antenna crapping out a few months after I got my first receiver (I blame my constant moving it between two vehicles), I've had very few problems with either receiver. My Streamer GT did get a bit hot (From what I have read, the heat issue is due to the FM Modulator), but my Streamer GTR doesn't get too hot. I like the blue display (You can adjust the brightness so it doesn't blind you) over the orange display my Streamer GT. The newer equipment is a lot better than what was out even 6 months ago. My Streamer GT (I still have it, along with the boombox for it, but dropped it from my account.) is slightly bigger than a deck of cards; my Streamer GTR is longer than the GT, but is thinner and shorter.
 
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:23 pm

The reality is that XM is technologically superior, and their programming style is superior, but Sirius is a better managed company.

A merger of the two will hopefully fix that.

As to competitiveness, in my view, with this FCC, there is no issue for the same reason they are allowing megamergers within other technology verticals (wireless, cable, landline). In their views, those verticals compete with each other vigorously so individual companies don't need to. They see behemoths Verizon and AT&T competing against DirecTV and Dish Network competing against Time Warner Cable and Comcast. Each company can provide a similar suite of services using their unique transmission technologies, so competition is high.

This will do the same thing. HD Radio and traditional broadcast provide competition against satellite radio, and both are being eroded by Internet radio in businesses and homes. Those major technologies provide all the competition necessary, especially given that HD radio and broadcast are only capital expenses with no monthly outlay.

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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:53 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 34):
You can adjust the brightness so it doesn't blind you

If I mess with stuff in my girlfriend's car she gets all pissy.. She seriously doesn't seem to mind not being able to see out the windshield at night... It certainly explained a few things about her driving.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 34):
rom what I have read, the heat issue is due to the FM Modulator

That might be.. In which case its pretty bad engineering. The XM roadie is tiny in comparison and it has a built in FM modulator that absolutely blows the Sirius one away.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 32):
XM made a mistake by making the deal to put O & A on terrestrial in addition to the XM program. Why should folks spend nearly $13 a month for a product they can get for free?

There are a lot of duplicates. Clear Channel has a lot of programming on XM, and some others. Don't forget the all news networks such as CNN, Fox News, BBC, etc. XM has seen a rise in subs as well in the last year. XM also did quite nicely in "renting" them to Free FM.
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RE: XM And Sirius To Merge

Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 32):
Why should folks spend nearly $13 a month for a product they can get for free?

You get anExtra 3 hours of show and exclusive stuff on the XM part of the show

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