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How To Deal With Nazis?

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:55 am

A few days ago I noticed a flyer on the pinboard of the local supermarket, which calls for a protest march this saturday against the ultranationalistic NPD party, which officially pays lip service to the constitutions, but inofficially supports the goals of Hitler's banned NSDAP (definition of German citizenship based on race, racist ideology, anti-democratic, goal is to abolish the constitution and democracy to reinstall a Nazi dictatorship). While the NPD acts as the legal voice pipe of the ultra rightwing fringe (though not enough legal evidence valid in court, mostly intelligence sources) , it is closely connected with illegal ultra-rightwing and white supremacist racist organisations worldwide.
According to this flyer, which was posted by several organisations, ranging from moderate conservative through centrist to leftwing organisations, the NPD has bought a former school building in a village nearby and is using it as an ideological cadre school.

Now one thing is that the presence of such an institution will give a village, city or county a bad name, also such a place will attract people like Nazi skinheads. The thugs will then often try to intimidate people in the neighbourhood, who don't fit their narrowminded image of being true Germans.

Another thing is that apparently owners of property are threatening to sell their house to Nazi groups, so that the local conciol or local citizens will buy the lot at inflated prices just to keep the Nazis out of town. Also the NPD itself uses these measures to earn money.

Whatever happens, this saturday I will be on the march. These criminal bastards ruined Germany once. No way will they get back to power again.

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:56 am

Tear down the propaganda.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:03 pm

How to deal with Nazis?

 
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:55 pm

Aren't we planning a moon mission? I know it's supposed to be unmanned, but I guess we could squeeze some Nazis into the capsule and let it crash on the dark side of the moon.

Seriously: Poke fun at them, give the youth something to do - clubs, projects, travel -, use every chance to publish articles on the hypocrisy of those wannabe leaders and monitor every move they make.

Quoting AAce24 (Reply 2):

If they're threatening me, that would be an option. Then again, I would would rather rely on a H&K or Sig Sauer: "Look dickhead, I got an 'arian' gun ..."  Wink
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 3):
Quoting AAce24 (Reply 2):


If they're threatening me, that would be an option. Then again, I would would rather rely on a H&K or Sig Sauer: "Look dickhead, I got an 'arian' gun ..."

I'd rather say: "If you want to repeat the Weimar Republic, we'll repeat WW2!"

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:01 pm

Next time in your elections, vote, and tell others to vote as well, for a party that actually does something to improve the social conditions of the worse off. They are the fuel behind the extremist movements everywhere.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 3):
"Look dickhead, I got an 'arian' gun ..."

Seriously, that is one of the funnies thing I've heard this year!  rotfl 

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:06 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Thread starter):
How To Deal With Nazis?

See "Blues Brothers" for detailed instructions. Big grin

Seriously, show them that they are not welcome in our country. A stable democracy should be able to cope with a certain number of dickheads, no matter what senseless ideology they chose to transport their arrogance and stupidity.

Problem is that I start to doubt if our democracy is really stable. And that is when such weirdos become dangerous.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:26 pm

Put these idiots in an arena together with the left wing idiots from my university, sell 50k tickets and let 'em beat the crap outta each other. Last man standing! It will be interesting to see which is better: Baseball bats and Molotow Cocktails against massive bricks.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 10):
Put these idiots in an arena together with the left wing idiots from my university, sell 50k tickets and let 'em beat the crap outta each other. Last man standing! It will be interesting to see which is better: Baseball bats and Molotow Cocktails against massive bricks.

My kudos go to DTManiac for best reply. Good imangination. Make sure Christian Klar gets in there as well on his first "holidy from jail". Vrown and red and red and brown, they're the same crap, always have been. They fought each other on the Weimar republic and the Nazis won, could have been the other way round. We must make sure that Weimar and the time after doesnot repeat.



Quoting WSOY (Reply 6):
Next time in your elections, vote, and tell others to vote as well, for a party that actually does something to improve the social conditions of the worse off. They are the fuel behind the extremist movements everyw

we do this all the time. The extremists are only a minority and get too much attention. we have a 5 percent clause for parliaments, usuallly they don't jump over and if they do they always fail on the job.

Germany is a stable democracy, most European Parliaments have some extremists from the extreme left and right. That's the way it goes in a democracy, you cannot keep them from participüating in elections, that would be anti-democratic.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:07 am

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 8):
See "Blues Brothers" for detailed instructions.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

But the Nazis might reply

Quote:
"Anybody with that kind of record is gonna make a mistake. I want all party members in the tri state district to monitor the city, county and state police on their CBs. Mr. Blues is gonna fu$k up, and when he does, he better pray the police get to him before we do."
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:37 am

Show up at their rally with your own Nazi flag flying upside-down.

Wait. That won't work... Nevermind.

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:47 am

Show up at their next Nazi rally wearing a star of David, a yarmulke, a pink tutu and fairy wand, and acting really gay too. Say that you want to show them that Jewish drag queens are really nice deep down inside. Then kiss one on the lips. Do this all especially if you're kind of scrawny. When they least expect it, whip it right out, urinate on them, and slap them with your balls.

On second thought, maybe that wouldn't be the best idea...
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting N229NW (Reply 12):
Show up at their next Nazi rally wearing a star of David, a yarmulke, a pink tutu and fairy wand, and acting really gay too. Say that you want to show them that Jewish drag queens are really nice deep down inside. Then kiss one on the lips. Do this all especially if you're kind of scrawny. When they least expect it, whip it right out, urinate on them, and slap them with your balls.

On second thought, maybe that wouldn't be the best idea...

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 7):
See "Blues Brothers" for detailed instructions.

Exactly!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 7):
Problem is that I start to doubt if our democracy is really stable. And that is when such weirdos become dangerous.

It is very stable - no comparison at all to the Weimar Republic. There is never absolute stability in a society, but the nazis don't really have a chance to destroy our country again, or others in its name.

The most annoying issue for me is that as long as the NPD isn't banned and they actually get some votes in elections, they'll also receive election funding from the state like every other party.  Angry

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11):
Show up at their rally with your own Nazi flag flying upside-down.
Wait. That won't work... Nevermind.

Tricky buggers, aren't they...!  mischievous 

The main problem is that many people these days feel like "globalization victims", and at least in part they're right. Periods of intense change will always scare and frustrate people.

I think it's a mistake to completely ignore their arguments; They've got plenty of actual weaknesses in there, so their arguments can and should be recognized and rebuked with actual counter-arguments, not just with blind vilification.

I think one of the main attractions they have is the shock and fear they instill on "the society" at large; They need firm rejection and opposition, their ideology needs to face ridicule, they need to face competent dissection of their political claims and tenets, and they need to be made aware that WE are the people (to quote the former east-german civil rights movement) and it's not up to them to define what is german and what isn't.
 
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 3):
"Look dickhead, I got an 'arian' gun ..."

 rotfl 

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 8):
Last man standing

Then shoot the f**ker in the head!
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
we have a 5 percent clause for parliaments, usuallly they don't jump over and if they do they always fail on the job.

So instead of the determined marginalization, why not try to assimilate the extremist fraction into the democratic system? Is there a loophole in the system that is known only to some? Touch that sore point, and the whole setup will suddenly go into an undetermined anarchistic state ... what a cryptic nation.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
It is very stable - no comparison at all to the Weimar Republic.

That is true. But it shows first signs of instability. The democratic parties fail to adress the most immanent problems of our society. As a result, we have freedom of choice, but few to chose from. People start to lose interest in political culture, which is the perfect setup for radical parties.

We are still far away from "old times", but we are going into wrong direction. The earlier we make the turn, the better. The longer we wait, the more difficult it may become.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
There is never absolute stability in a society, but the nazis don't really have a chance to destroy our country again, or others in its name.

As much as I'd wish to agree, I'm afraid this is also dangerous thinking. It implies we don't have to worry. But we should. The NPD is growing strong in many regions (especially, but not only Eastern Germany). Many people there feel the NPD is the only party that still cares about them. And the sad thing is: they may not even be all wrong.

If no democratic party has the courage to approach the social reforms we badly need, they will drive more and more people into the arms of the radicals.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
...as long as the NPD isn't banned...

The whole discussion about banning them is not productive. Seems so easy, but won't solve anything. It would be much better if the democratic parties would ask themselves why people vote for NPD. But then again, that process could be painful - banning them would be so much easier.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
I think it's a mistake to completely ignore their arguments

True. And actually, arguing is one of the best weapons there is against the NPD. While they pretend to care for the people and understand their worries, they indeed do not have a single solution for these problems. Their success is basing solely on putting the finger into the wound, not on offering any treatment.

Still, our democratic parties make it fairly easy for them.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:06 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 16):
So instead of the determined marginalization, why not try to assimilate the extremist fraction into the democratic system? Is there a loophole in the system that is known only to some? Touch that sore point, and the whole setup will suddenly go into an undetermined anarchistic state ... what a cryptic nation.

No, the neonazis are simply completely incompetent and totally disinterested in actually doing any real work beyond a few pointless provocations, which invariably shows whenever they manage to score a few parliamentary seats.
 
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
No, the neonazis are simply completely incompetent and totally disinterested in actually doing any real work beyond a few pointless provocations

So where's the danger? Why all the precautions and the boldface marginalization?
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 16):

So instead of the determined marginalization, why not try to assimilate the extremist fraction into the democratic system? Is there a loophole in the system that is known only to some? Touch that sore point, and the whole setup will suddenly go into an undetermined anarchistic state ... what a cryptic nation.



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
we do this all the time. The extremists are only a minority and get too much attentio

You should have quoted that sentence as well. I have a more relaxed viw, you cannot keep the extreme fractions on the left and the right out of Parliament. If they jumpo over the 5% hurdle, that's it. History has proven so far, that every time a Neo Nazi party has reached more than 5 % they f*cked it up in their daily work in Parliament, They usually don't get re-elected

I am not saying that we should take it easy but Germany is a stable Democracy. We should have a more relaxed and self confident attitude.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:48 pm

The best idea would be a nice noisy protest with enough people to out number the fools by about 20 to 1, or maybe better yet 50 to 1. That seems to work in the USA with such wingnuts (Nazi-like, KKK like jerks) when they try to put on one of their shows. I have usually seen that the people attracted to such organizations (like Hitler was) are usually low life poorly educated jerks who believe they have been dismissed by society and want some perverse revenge or are seeking a misguided 'respect'.
 
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 21):
The best idea would be a nice noisy protest with enough people to out number the fools by about 20 to 1, or maybe better yet 50 to 1.

It works the same way over here as well.

The nazis are usually vastly outnumbered by protesters when they actually manage to get permission for one of their demonstrations.
 
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:53 am

Quoting AAce24 (Reply 2):
How to deal with Nazis?

No no no...

Reach out and touch somebody...

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:47 am

How to deal with Nazi's?

Sterilisation would be a good start.


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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 8):
Put these idiots in an arena together with the left wing idiots from my university, sell 50k tickets and let 'em beat the crap outta each other. Last man standing! It will be interesting to see which is better: Baseball bats and Molotow Cocktails against massive bricks.

Best answer ever  Smile

First, strip those Nazis off their "Made in Turkey" T-shirts, have them hand in their japanese car and prohibit them to buy ANY product not made in their so called arian countries.
Now let's see how pitty they stand!

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 21):
The best idea would be a nice noisy protest with enough people to out number the fools by about 20 to 1, or maybe better yet 50 to 1. That seems to work in the USA with such wingnuts (Nazi-like, KKK like jerks) when they try to put on one of their shows. I have usually seen that the people attracted to such organizations (like Hitler was) are usually low life poorly educated jerks who believe they have been dismissed by society and want some perverse revenge or are seeking a misguided 'respect'.

Here in Germany we had a weverend using the bells on his church during the demonstration speach of one of the Nazi speakers ... it was so loud the fascist eventualy ceased speaking and they all marched home.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting MattRB (Reply 23):
No no no...
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Reach out and touch somebody...

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Such Neo-Nazis are disgusting indeed. However, I would advocate strongly against reverting to THEIR methods. To have it with German Federal Chancellor Helmut Schmidt "the legal state is indivisible". You can participate in demonstrations and at worst in legal action against them, you can tackle the problem with humour, but you should neither revert to violence yourself nor encourage anybody else into violence (except in self-defence of course), but stay "straight" . I strictly believe that the "moderates" will overcome if keeping things under control. But NOT by violent illegal extremist means.
 
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:08 am

Why are people so angry at such a powerless mob? Weapons firing uninterrupted and such? Who's throwing the first proverbial stone here?

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 28):
Who's throwing the first proverbial stone here?

Hitler.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:32 pm

Quoting WSOY (Reply 16):
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
we have a 5 percent clause for parliaments, usuallly they don't jump over and if they do they always fail on the job.

So instead of the determined marginalization, why not try to assimilate the extremist fraction into the democratic system? Is there a loophole in the system that is known only to some? Touch that sore point, and the whole setup will suddenly go into an undetermined anarchistic state ... what a cryptic nation.

How do you deal democratically with somebody who despises democrats as weaklings and wants to reinstitute a dictatorship?

I was at the march yesterday. There were about 2000 demonstrators from mostly the region against maybe ten Nazis, who were hiding behind the police. The problem is that as long as the party is not officially banned and the party members do not openly breach the law (and they have some very smart lawyers among their membership who make sure that all official publications stay just on the legal side of law), the police can not act against them.

What surprised me was the huge number of demonstrators, which is very large considering that the area around HHN is very rural and the weather was exceptionally bad yesterday (temperatures just above freezing, strong wind and rain). I also liked that the whole town council, with members of ALL democratic parties, from the conservative CDU through the Liberals, Socialdemocrats to the Greens and Linkspartei were present, with the mayor speaking out against the Nazis. Additionally there were gay and lesbian groups, trade unions, including the police union, Jewish organisations, churches and an organisation of concentration camp survivors, effectively everybody, who would be arrested if the Nazis would ever get back to power.

Also, there was no provoking of the police by demonstrators, as I have seen at other demonstrations.

Actually an antifascist lawyer explained that there is in fact a legal means of banning the NPD to remove the tax payer's funding of the Nazis (as long as they have members in the state parliaments, the party is, as all parties represented in parliament entiteled to funds from tax money). The post WW2 Allied Control Council laws have never been revoked and the Basic law explicitely states that these laws, which in fact ban the original Nazi party NSDAP and all of it's branch organisations, plus any attempt of resurecting it, are not being touched by the constitution (which had to be approved by the Western Allies in 1949). Under these regulations the NPD could be banned and all it's funds confiscated.

Two years ago a motion to ban of the NPD by the constitutional court was dismissed on technical reasons, but the court stated back then that they would reopen a trial if the technicalisties (the uncontrolled use of undercover police officers in the party headquarters on who's reports the original motion was based) would be solved. Using the original Allued laws would give a new reasoning, which the court would have to follow.

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 30):
How do you deal democratically with somebody who despises democrats as weaklings and wants to reinstitute a dictatorship?

THIS is not an easy task, as those rightwing-extremists believe to be ALWAYS RIGHT. For them, democrats not only are "weaklings" for them democrats are WRONG. But you are NOT to use their methods and their ideas.
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 30):
I was at the march yesterday. There were about 2000 demonstrators from mostly the region against maybe ten Nazis, who were hiding behind the police. The problem is that as long as the party is not officially banned and the party members do not openly breach the law (and they have some very smart lawyers among their membership who make sure that all official publications stay just on the legal side of law), the police can not act against them.

BUT thanks to the effort of people like you, it has been made clear who THE PEOPLE is, clear who represents the majority and the actual will of the people.
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 30):
the whole town council, with members of ALL democratic parties, from the conservative CDU through the Liberals, Socialdemocrats to the Greens and Linkspartei were present, with the mayor speaking out against the Nazis.

THAT is a very positive thing, and making a real difference
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 30):
there were gay and lesbian groups, trade unions, including the police union, Jewish organisations,

While the presence of trade-unionists and police-unionists for sure was good, the presence of the other groups, as understandable, as MOST understandable it is may be a problem in so far as those rightwing-zealots afterwards may claim that "the others" just were heaps of Gays, Jews, Turks, Arabs, Indians, in short of all those groups they hate so much.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:22 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 31):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 30):
there were gay and lesbian groups, trade unions, including the police union, Jewish organisations,

While the presence of trade-unionists and police-unionists for sure was good, the presence of the other groups, as understandable, as MOST understandable it is may be a problem in so far as those rightwing-zealots afterwards may claim that "the others" just were heaps of Gays, Jews, Turks, Arabs, Indians, in short of all those groups they hate so much.
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Actually I couldn't care less what the Nazis think about the inclusion of gays, Jews etc. in the opposing force. I also don't think that the Nazis care much about protest singers on the stage or speeches made by the various anti-Nazi people
(except maybe noting their names for execution in case of a takeover).

I think one problem with the democratic population is that in Germany after WW2 we developed a culture praising the non violent martyr type, who went to his death in an concentration camp. I rather respect those who took up arms (if necessary by joining the military of a foreign nation) to fight the oppressors and criminals.
At the moment it seems that the police have a firm grip on the situation. Actually one police officer I talked to told that the whole event was probably staged by the NPD to annoy the police. According to him the NPD has been using this house for a long while yet, but never made it public (it was given to them by a landlord, who had an argument with the town council). The police officer told me that during the last months the state police has been putting pressure on the NPD, like e.g. enforcing laws against displaying Nazi propaganda. Now the NPD published that they wanted to open this party school officially on this weekend, knowing very well that such an event would cause demonstrations and protests, which in turn would cause the police to be forced to cancel leave and work overtime on their weekends.

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:26 pm

What is this, 1943?  Silly

Seriously, the Nazis have been completely marginalized since WW2. The best thing to do is ignore them.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:38 pm

Nazis eh?

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 33):
the Nazis have been completely marginalized since WW2. The best thing to do is ignore them.

you have to see the FULL picture. The Nazis and other rightwing-extremists are far more "marginalized" in Germany than in the neighbouring countries. In Switzerland, the SVP is a party with 20%plus votes country-wide, with 2 of the 7 Federal Counciller of who one is just a decent conservative but the other one bordering to Nazism, with a party-leader who is rather on the borderline to Nazism, and with a good share in both the Federal parliament and the Cantonal parliaments and many people in the executive "boards" around the confederation. In Austria, the party/parties of Joerg Haider were very close to Nazist ideologies, even if Mr Haider detests South Europeans while having many Jews and Arabs among his friends. Worst in France, where the Neo-Nazi and former torture-specialist in French Algeria, Colonel Jean-Marie LePen and his "movement" usually get between 12 and 28 % of the votes in whatever elections, and in some communities in France even have the mayor position. Similar parties in Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark have quite some followings. The NEO-fascists including offsprings of Mr Benito Mussolini have been in the coalition-government of Silvio Berlusconi.
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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 33):
What is this, 1943?

Seriously, the Nazis have been completely marginalized since WW2. The best thing to do is ignore them.

The problem is that they currently run a two pronged strategy:

On one hand the legal party, which in parliaments makes fools out of themselves, and on the other hand extremely violent supporters, who "officially" have nothing to do with the party, but do the intimidation, like the Stormtroopers (SA) back in the 1920s (about 100 people have been killed by Nazi attacks during the last 20 years).
I compare the tactics of the Nazi party with the time between 1925 and 1932:
In 1923 Hitler tried to seize power in Bavaria by force (the infamous Beerhall Putsch), using his Stormtroopers as an armed militia. At this time the Bavarian police opened fire, stopping the rebellion. Hitler was sentence to 10 years in prison, but was released in 1925. After his release he ordered his party members to fake legality and to try to get to power through legal means. Obviously back then he also had support from influential groups (Hugenberg press, various industrialists, the conservative Reichswehr officers) who though that they could use the Nazis for their own agenda (like getting rid of trade unions, getting rid of the restrictions imposed by the Versailles treaty). But latest in 1934 they discovered that, wile they had helped to get Hitler to power, they could not control him.
Several people who helped Hitler in the 1920s discovered that he was not willing to share power and found themselves on "to be executed" lists. Actually Roehm, the commander of the SA, and von Papen, were executed, because they were seen by Hitler as rivals for power. Reichschancellor Bruening, who was instrumental in getting Hitler to power just managed to escape to the US in 1933. This support definitely does not exist today and I assume that in case of a Nazi inspired coup the Bundeswehr and police would openly fight it. Germany today is not anymore the Germany of 1933, also, unlike in 1933, people today know the true face of Nazism.

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RE: How To Deal With Nazis?

Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:04 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 36):
Germany today is not anymore the Germany of 1933, also, unlike in 1933, people today know the true face of Nazism.

Which is exaclty why I think history won't repeat itself. The German people are smart people, among the smartest. They won't let something like this happen again. They are part of the world community now and won't do anything to jeopardize that.
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