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Last One In Michigan, Plz Turn Out The Lights!

Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:42 pm

OK, we have the struggling FORD, GM and DCX, now another blow to Detroit and Michigan.....

Comerica moving HQ to Dallas
March 6, 2007

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Comerica Inc. announced this morning it will move its headquarters from Detroit to Dallas in the third quarter of this year.

The bank said the move would give the company a more central location with greater accessibility to all of its markets. It plans to retain a "significant presence in Detroit."

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...?AID=/20070306/BUSINESS05/70306002

SIGNIGICANT PRESENCE....yeah right!

Comerica is the 25 largest bank in the US and the last one to have its HQ in Detroit.

The Detroit HQ


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Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:39 pm

WOW I remember growing up in Michigan and all the Banking Companies we use to have there.
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:56 pm

It's my impression that the unions in MI would rather have no jobs than a non-union job. So that last person in MI will probably be union and charge $40 with full benefits just to turn off the light. Silly
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:18 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
It's my impression that the unions in MI would rather have no jobs than a non-union job. So that last person in MI will probably be union and charge $40 with full benefits just to turn off the light

God that is so right on the money, and I do not know if I should laugh or cry.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:51 am

Maybe they should proceed with the plans for Delta City.

 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
It's my impression that the unions in MI would rather have no jobs than a non-union job. So that last person in MI will probably be union and charge $40 with full benefits just to turn off the light

God that is so right on the money, and I do not know if I should laugh or cry.

Exactly.

I am a non union teacher, most schools around here are union and you should hear the BS I have to put up with from some people around Detroit. When I am out and about and people ask where I work I have to be careful what I say and to whom. Our type of school is well known to be a non union school.

It does suck around here as far as the economy is concerned. I have been thinking about leaving too. I have been giving thought about returning to St. Louis. My job is safe and all but it is just so pitiful in Detroit and Wayne County. The only real thorn in the plan is my house. I got stuck with an ARM and now the economy is so crummy the house isn't worth what I owe on it. Two years ago it was worth $24,000 more than I owed. If I could get exactly what I owe I would leave yesterday. I live in a small house in a working class neighborhood. There are dozens of foreclosures in my neighbor hood, including next door. Neighborhoods like mine are hit really hard because the houses are generally bought by the exact people who generally work in the industries that are downsizing right now.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:08 am

Over here on my side of "the pond" (Wis.) it's starting to look the same.

The unions and the tax climate in the rust belt states is putting us out of business. Without serious tax and labor reform I'm afraid we'll continue to see jobs leave for Mexico and other tax havens like AZ and TX.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 6):
The unions and the tax climate in the rust belt states is putting us out of business.

It ain't just the rust belt. Ford is closing their F150 Assembly plant here in Norfolk. Been here slightly longer than dirt. (a long time, and I don't feel like looking it up) It's largely due to rising labor costs, and the unions are to blame for that.
 
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RE: Last One In Michigan, Plz Turn Out The Lights!

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
Ford is closing their F150 Assembly plant here in Norfolk.

Figures. I owned a '96 F-150 built there. Nice truck. Can't wait for the Mexican trucks to start showing up.  sarcastic 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
It ain't just the rust belt. Ford is closing their F150 Assembly plant here in Norfolk. Been here slightly longer than dirt. (a long time, and I don't feel like looking it up) It's largely due to rising labor costs, and the unions are to blame for that.

When I did warranty claims analysis for Ford I once saw an internal memo about trucks built in Mexico having fewer warranty claims than those built in the US. I always attributed that to the fact that the Mexicans really fight to get those jobs and they don't want to loose it to the dozens of people waiting for the job. I have known some very lazy UAW workers who don't show for work, sleep on the job, drink on the job, etc. I know most of the people are hard working and honest, but the stereotype came from somewhere. I once got a VIP tour of a Union assembly plant in Flat Rock, MI. the first thing I saw when I walked in was a man sleeping on a forklift with a newspaper over his face. It may have been his break time, but it didn't leave a good taste in this visitors mouth.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:29 am



Pfizer has been laying huge amounts of people off in Ann Arbor and Kalamazoo, as well....


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Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:39 am

Flastaff,

I agree wholeheartedly that there are many employees who need a swift kick. When things get busy here I occasionally drive truck and make deliveries. I've been to GM in Janesville and seen the utter laziness displayed. Paper is a big industry here; the mills are closing left and right. But, believe it or not, if you show up on their shipping dock it's not uncommon to find guys sleeping behind a few bales (and it's not break time.) That's not the behavior I'd exhibit if I knew the plant could very well announce tomorrow that my job is going to the Phillipines.

Regarding Mexican quality... I'm not convinced. Maybe it's just a bad experience but I've had a Mexican Dodge and VW. The Dub was probably the worst car I owned. The Dodge, not so bad but still didn't seem as "well-built."
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 11):
But, believe it or not, if you show up on their shipping dock it's not uncommon to find guys sleeping behind a few bales (and it's not break time.) That's not the behavior I'd exhibit if I knew the plant could very well announce tomorrow that my job is going to the Phillipines.

A friend of mine owns a pipe company in St. Louis that ships pipe and valves to GM's Wentzville, MO. plant. They often times have him get stuff that the plant/office needs but are out of cash for that particular budget and are able to use a different budget line item. They also do that because when the loading dock people see a box from a pipe company they are less likely to steal it. A lot of companies will not do that kind of thing. My buddy makes plenty of extra money doing that. He will go to Best Buy, buy some printers, faxes, what ever and list it on the invoice as pipe or valves. They also take it out of the original box and re box it. They also just did a load of Craftsman tool boxes for GM's Wentzville Plant like that. If GM buys stuff that way, how many other companies also do that.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:31 am

That's exactly the feeling and the atmosphere in Windsor, Ontario, which is right across the river from Detroit. I lived there for 8 years before moving to Alberta (5 years ago). I remember once when the economy wa booming and everyone had jobs. Right now everyone's fighting for the very last bit. My parents are still there, but I don't know for how long. They also have a hard time selling their house, because everyone sells and leaves. Why would anyone come to Windsor anyway? With the downsizing of the big 3, thousands of people are affected, not only the ones who directly were employed by them but also the suppliers, etc etc etc

Life is though out there and it's not getting any better. I hope my parents will find a way out...
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:53 am

That is really sad. I still have my Comerica account open and I have been back here in Fresno, CA now for a little over a year. I have to use the Fresno branch to do all my work but I am moving back to Michigan in August.

Ford is moving assemblies down to the Georgia, Alabama, Tennisseee rejion arn't they? The "Rust Belt" is just on the decline because of Unions like said earlyer. We spent 3 weeks talking about the "Rust Belt" and the problems with Ford and other companies in my Geography 4B class.

I would want to move out of Detroit as well though because it is such an ugly place (sorry everyonen from DTW). You have a nice looking building surrounded by gang infested, run down housing, everyone on the street places.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 14):
sorry everyonen from DTW

No offense here. Detroit is one of the worst places I have ever been. People here have a bad attitude. I used to live in St. Louis and I used to think it was a dump. Now I know better.
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RE: Last One In Michigan, Plz Turn Out The Lights!

Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 8):
Can't wait for the Mexican trucks to start showing up.

Instead of that annoying rattle being a Coke bottle disgarded in the door by a pissed off American worker, it'll simply change to a tequila bottle. No biggy.

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RE: Last One In Michigan, Plz Turn Out The Lights!

Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 14):
Ford is moving assemblies down to the Georgia,

Not sure about that one since Ford just closed the Taurus plant by Hartsfield that had been there for ages. GM closed their Doraville plant on the northeast side of town.

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Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:28 am



So why is it that US-owned auto manufacturers can't build cars profitably in the US, but Japanese-owned companies can?

Is it that US worker unions demand more and more money every year, ultimately pricing themselves out of a job, while the relatively new Japanese-run workforce agrees to far less money from the beginning?


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Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:36 am

Hmmm..... How long do the naming rights last on Comerica Park? That could be their "significant presence," a baseball stadium!  duck 
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RE: Last One In Michigan, Plz Turn Out The Lights!

Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 19):
How long do the naming rights last on Comerica Park?

20 years!

Babb said Comerica still has 20 years to run on its naming-rights agreement at Comerica Park and expects no change in that. “We’re very proud to be the home of the Detroit Tigers,” he said.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...20070306/BUSINESS06/70306018&imw=Y

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People here have a bad attitude.

I don't have a bad attitude, I'm just mad at the world!

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Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 18):
So why is it that US-owned auto manufacturers can't build cars profitably in the US, but Japanese-owned companies can?

Legacy costs in one part that I know about. US automakers have large amount of retirees that swallow up a good chunk of money every year.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 18):
So why is it that US-owned auto manufacturers can't build cars profitably in the US, but Japanese-owned companies can?

A lot of it boils down to "legacy costs." The big three pay out enormous sums in pensions. I heard on the radio a few months ago that about $1700 of the cost of every GM vehicle sold is just to cover pensions.

The Japanese don't have that problem... yet.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 19):
How long do the naming rights last on Comerica Park? That could be their "significant presence," a baseball stadium!

They still have a branch on every corner it seems. I never liked them. I do all my banking at a credit union. I have dealt with them for work and they don't seem to care much about regular customers, just business. They do advertise themselves as a business bank.

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 22):
A lot of it boils down to "legacy costs." The big three pay out enormous sums in pensions. I heard on the radio a few months ago that about $1700 of the cost of every GM vehicle sold is just to cover pensions.

The Japanese don't have that problem... yet.

The Detroit car makers have more retirees than employees. The other side doesn't have that problem yet. It takes less people to build cars today than years ago. As those jobs left the people retired and still get a pension, which they should. On the other hand the Japanese plants were built recently and had the latest manufacturing processes built in. People around here are still mad about technology taking their jobs. People at the newest plants, including US plants, have not felt that yet. If those plants stay open for 40 or 50 years the same problems will probably develop.

Many of the non union auto workers have similar take home wages to the UAW people.

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See what I mean. Everyone around here is mad, even me!
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:44 pm

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 22):
The Japanese don't have that problem... yet.

They probably won't, because I'll bet anything that they've learned from the problems of the US legacy automakers and haven't instituted a defined benefit plan. I'll bet that the Japanese automakers have defined contribution 401(k) plans instead - giving the investment risk and funding problem to the employee instead.
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 18):
Is it that US worker unions demand more and more money every year, ultimately pricing themselves out of a job, while the relatively new Japanese-run workforce agrees to far less money from the beginning?

I think that the exact reason - along with:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 24):
They probably won't, because I'll bet anything that they've learned from the problems of the US legacy automakers
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10):
Pfizer has been laying huge amounts of people off in Ann Arbor and Kalamazoo, as well....

Friend of mine has been working for Upjohn-oops! Pfizer in the flight department at K'zoo since 1985 and he's on pins and needles.

I lived in K'zoo well actually Portage and Schoolcraft in the eighties, and the FBO I worked at had just gone back to 40 hour work weeks after a period of layoffs and turmoil in the auto industry.

We were under orders to buy Michigan when possible, and I sourced a lot of TPE 331 tooling from a shop in Chesaning and work benches from a company in Petoskey. I learned a lot about Michigan from that, including the fact that it's a significant producer of oil and gas-there is only one county that does not produce natural gas.

There are periodic upheavals in the automobile industry, and nearly every town in Michigan has a machine shop or small plant making subassemblies for the automobile companies, doing hot shot deliveries in stripped out Turbo Commanders. So the misfortune spreads when the auto companies have problems.

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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 26):
Friend of mine has been working for Upjohn-oops! Pfizer

A few years ago, custom T-shirts were all the rage in Kzoo. The most popular featured a blue diamond on the front with "Pfired" printed on it in Pfizer font.

If I remember correctly, "UPJON" is a fix on the localizer back course approach to AZO...

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 26):
I lived in K'zoo well actually Portage and Schoolcraft

I lived in Kzoo and Portage for several years. Loved the place. The worst part of it was the complete and utter lack of curvy, twisty roads on which to ride motorcycles.


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Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 27):
I lived in Kzoo and Portage for several years. Loved the place. The worst part of it was the complete and utter lack of curvy, twisty roads on which to ride motorcycles.


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I never did that again. That was over on the west side south of Oshtemo and there were a number of ponds on that road where people raced motorcycles on when they were frozen.
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:14 am

I do not think that what is happening in Michigan is any different then what any Midwest State is experiencing right now. Michigan just put to much faith in the car industry, having lived in MI until 1999 I saw it first hand. Like Mom always said "Never put all your eggs in one basket"
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 28):
I was attending KVCC and I had a Rabbit GTI at the time. There was one road south of the college that had one of those nice S curves and it went right thru a hog farm.

Yep, I know the road. It wasn't very usable for motorcycling when I was there, as the road commission had just laid down a bunch of chip-and-seal. The bastards.

Great road cycling out there, though....I had a great route that went out to the southwest, among a bunch of vineyards.


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Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 6):
other tax havens like AZ and TX.

Traditionally , Arizona has high corporate property and income taxes, therefore most of the new jobs are low paying back office type jobs. Over the past five years with a split government, i.e. dem gov, and repub. legislature some tax cuts have been made in an attempt to attract now new era employment. The biggest hurdle is the legislature failure to view education as an investment in the future. Back on topic, graduated from college in Michigan in 1978 haven't been back since.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 31):
Traditionally , Arizona has high corporate property and income taxes

So that's why Tomar strobe lights are so damned overpriced.

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 29):
Michigan just put to much faith in the car industry

I only visited Michigan once, and during our stay there, I only saw one Toyota.

I wonder if they vandalized the rest...
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:51 am

Unions and pensioners... as usual, it's only the (former) employees who are blamed for the downfall of the companies. Did it ever occur to any of you that maybe, just maybe, those aren't the only factors contributing to it? VW is highly unionised, BMW workers earn good wages, Toyota care well for their employees, yet all three of them operate profitably. Coincidence? I think not.

a) bad management decisions

If you build SUVs and trucks because you can get the highest profit out of these, yet totally neglect trends towards more economic cars, what can you expect? Higher sales?! Hardly. I wouldn't think Toyota make the profits they make because their Land Cruisers greatly outsell the big three's SUVs.

b) "greed is good"

If maximum (sometimes even quarterly) profit is all that counts in a business, as several people indicated in this: What's The Role Of Businesses? (by Aloges Mar 1 2007 in Non Aviation) thread, isn't it just a little too easy to forget about the things that make profits possible in the first place?

c) brand image

Well... Dodge for example. I've often heard that US cars are considered rubbish quality while Japanese ones are the most reliable ones, German cars are the most fun to drive and Korean ones are the cheapest. Much of that is nonsense as US automakers have caught up on some of those issues, but nevertheless a bad brand image leads to low sales figures. Until US automakers come up with true, affordable and practical innovation and let the public know about it, they won't improve their brand recognition.
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
Did it ever occur to any of you that maybe, just maybe, those aren't the only factors contributing to it?

Did you read how many of us referenced legacy costs for these automakers?

Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
If you build SUVs and trucks because you can get the highest profit out of these, yet totally neglect trends towards more economic cars, what can you expect? Higher sales?! Hardly. I wouldn't think Toyota make the profits they make because their Land Cruisers greatly outsell the big three's SUVs.

Toyota makes a wide range of cars, not just economy cars, but plenty of SUVs as well. Perhaps this goes to not putting all your eggs in one basket. For example, IIRC, the Ford F-150 has been a profitable seller to Ford for a long time, before the 'evil' of SUVs was known.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
I've often heard that US cars are considered rubbish quality while Japanese ones are the most reliable ones

That has not really been an issue here for a long time. We have two cars made in the US, one a Saturn, the other a Toyota. Both have worked very well for us.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
If you build SUVs and trucks because you can get the highest profit out of these, yet totally neglect trends towards more economic cars, what can you expect?

I think the trend toward "more economic" cars was proportional to the gas price. When the gas price fell, so did back orders for the latest hybrid lawnmower, putting the Big Three back at square one, with a bunch of cars nobody wanted (at current gas prices).

Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
Toyota care well for their employees

I think they have mostly defined contribution rather than defined benefit style retirement programs no?

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 35):
Did you read how many of us referenced legacy costs for these automakers?

It's pretty hard to escape/gloss over those (legacy costs) numbers.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
I've often heard that US cars are considered rubbish quality while Japanese ones are the most reliable ones,

I think that's past tense for the most part. The problem is that the US is building competitive cars at competitive sale prices but at much higher costs. The problem seems to be mostly on the cost side.
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:12 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 36):
The problem is that the US is building competitive cars at competitive sale prices but at much higher costs.

We purchased our first brand new car in 2000. Then the Saturn was cheaper than equivalent cars, and we bought it.

In 2005, we purchased another new SUV. I was surprised to find that between Ford and Toyota, the prices were very similar. I expected Toyota to be more expensive. We picked the Toyota.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:12 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
Until US automakers come up with true, affordable and practical innovation and let the public know about it, they won't improve their brand recognition.

Detroit is too focused on the past. Retro cars bring cheers from automotive nerds, like me, who love old cars. For Example the proposed new Camero is very retro and draws styling ques from the 69 model. That makes us car dorks drool, but for the vast majority of car buyers they don't know or care about 69 Cameros. The car will sell among gear heads, but I doubt they will get many people who buy the average sedan to buy one.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
bad management decisions



Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
"greed is good"

In the 1990s Detroit forgot the car buyer and focused on the massive truck based SUV and large pickups. Great, but most people can not afford or want to afford a $40,000 truck. Sedans were rather dull; think Lumina and Taurus. Many car buyers left US companies because they didn't offer anything exciting.

I talk to people all the time who think Hondas and Toyotas never break down. Take it from me they do. 10 years ago a lady brought in her Toyota van into a shop I worked at and she wanted to know why there was no heat. There was a heater core blockage. When I gave her the repair estimate she told me there must be some mistake "Japanese cars don't break". I have a friend who is a service writer at a Honda dealer and he hears complaints from customers all the time like: "If I would have known this Honda would break down I would have just bought an American car"

Like most cars, if you take care of it, it will last. Many people today don't want to maintain there cars. They complain when a mechanic tells them to flush their radiator or brake system because they think we are ripping them off. But when it breaks down they blame us for not telling them how to keep it from breaking.

I have four cars. A 2 year old Dodge Magnum, a 21 year old Chevy truck, a 22 year old Honda Accord, and 27 year old Mercedes. They are all good runners. If you keep them up they usually don't give any trouble.
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RE: Last One In Michigan, Plz Turn Out The Lights!

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:55 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 31):
Traditionally , Arizona has high corporate property and income taxes, therefore most of the new jobs are low paying back office type jobs. Over the past five years with a split government, i.e. dem gov, and repub. legislature some tax cuts have been made in an attempt to attract now new era employment. The biggest hurdle is the legislature failure to view education as an investment in the future.

Nope....the biggest problem you have in Arizona is not enough water that you don't have to pay people a lot for like the native americans.
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RE: Last One In Michigan, Plz Turn Out The Lights!

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 35):
Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
If you build SUVs and trucks because you can get the highest profit out of these, yet totally neglect trends towards more economic cars, what can you expect? Higher sales?! Hardly. I wouldn't think Toyota make the profits they make because their Land Cruisers greatly outsell the big three's SUVs.

Well, that's exactly what Toyota intends to do with their Godzilla pickup truck....it is effin' enormous. It's as big as the biggest. So they're selling to the market. It's a freakin' gashog too.
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RE: Last One In Michigan, Plz Turn Out The Lights!

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 38):
talk to people all the time who think Hondas and Toyotas never break down. Take it from me they do. 10 years ago a lady brought in her Toyota van into a shop I worked at and she wanted to know why there was no heat. There was a heater core blockage. When I gave her the repair estimate she told me there must be some mistake "Japanese cars don't break". I have a friend who is a service writer at a Honda dealer and he hears complaints from customers all the time like: "If I would have known this Honda would break down I would have just bought an American car"

1987 Mitsubishi pickup and 1993 Mazda MPV van. I do all my own work.

Now-to important things.

After I overhauled the engine in Maxwell the pickup, there was a small coolant drip from an oring on an external metal hose. Rather than replacing the oring I dumped a can of Bars Leaks with rabbit turds and it did NOT stop the leak but plugged the heater core. I suspect that this happens quite regularly.

What to do....well, I didn't drive the truck the rest of the winter but the next year I had a trip out east to Rochester New York to make in December and I had to have a heater but I did not want to disassemble the dashboard and pay a hundred bucks for a heater core and spend a couple days working on it....think think think.

I went to Home Depot and bought a garden hose and a bottle of concrete cleaner-oxalic acid and detergent with a bit of hydrochloric for fun.

Went back to the house, took the hoses off the heater, plumbed the garden hose into the heater core backwards, and hit it with the house water pressure. It huffed and lurched and spat out about a pint of crud and then ran pretty free. I then took the drain line, put a funnel in it, and filled er up with concrete cleaner and let it stew for a while, then backflushed out another load of crud. I then reversed the hoses and flushed it clean the other direction, reassembled, and tested the heater-works great, no leaks.

I betcha that woulda fixed that lady's van.
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