LOT767-300ER
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A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:54 am

A stupid question maybe someone can quickly answer because I dont feel like going to HR block right now.

I am in college in Florida most of the year (9 months out of 12) and I work in Florida (and my work address is a Florida one which is not a PO Box but a normal address where I live) but my drivers license is from Illinois and car is is registered in Illinois. However I did not get a Illinois State Tax Return form (and FL does not have a state income tax) so it is rather puzzling.

Do I post a Illinois State Tax Return or not?

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RE: A Stupid Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:59 am

As long as you earned all the $$ in FL and did not earn any in IL, then you should be ok. If you did earn any of it in IL then a partial year resident tax is computed. Each state is different.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:02 am

No money earned in Illinois. I am figuring to post partial residency in Illinois....Tax Cut says I dont need to pay IL taxes that way.
 
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:25 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 2):
No money earned in Illinois. I am figuring to post partial residency in Illinois....Tax Cut says I dont need to pay IL taxes that way.

As one who does tax software for a living: your state of residency doesn't mean squat. It's all about where the income was earned. If you earned it in Florida, and Florida does not have a state income tax, then all you have to worry about is the IRS.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:32 am

I'm not familiar with income tax residency law in Illinois, but I know Minnesota income tax residency is determined by looking at a bunch of factors, including driver's license and car registration.

If you don't have wages earned in Illinois you will not have wage withholdings you might want refunded. You could be considered a resident of Illinois, but I doubt your income is high enough to show up on Illinois's audit radar. Don't bother filing an Illinois return.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:40 am

Quoting Las757300 (Reply 4):
If you don't have wages earned in Illinois you will not have wage withholdings you might want refunded. You could be considered a resident of Illinois, but I doubt your income is high enough to show up on Illinois's audit radar. Don't bother filing an Illinois return.

You have it both right and wrong there. Since he's not a resident, he has no withholding to be refunded. Right. The part about avoiding an audit, wrong. There's nothing to audit as he has no Illinois taxable income. Like I said, all he has to worry about is the IRS.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:51 am

Would it not be wise to file a Illinois State Tax 1040 with a Partial Residency attachment instead of not filing any at all? This would ensure I filed a State Tax Return even though I have no taxable so my bases are covered.

Tax Cut has computed I would not owe illinois anything (for obvious reasons) but that I would still have to file the 1040 to IL.

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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
Would it not be wise to file a Illinois State Tax 1040 with a Partial Residency attachment instead of not filing any at all? This would ensure I filed a State Tax Return even though I have no taxable so my bases are covered.

Tax Cut has computed I would not owe illinois anything (for obvious reasons) but that I would still have to file the 1040 to IL.

Do whatever makes you feel better. But in your situation, I wouldn't waste my time. They're not going to care either way.

And like I said, this is what I do for a living. I'm an Implementation Consultant (Computer Programmer) for a firm contracted to do the technical side of the income taxes for the State of Utah.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 7):
Do whatever makes you feel better. But in your situation, I wouldn't waste my time. They're not going to care either way.

And like I said, this is what I do for a living. I'm an Implementation Consultant (Computer Programmer) for a firm contracted to do the technical side of the income taxes for the State of Utah.

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I will mail it just in case something comes up 20 years down the road. I just didnt feel like spending $50 at HR Block to ask one question hehe.
 
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Thread starter):
No money earned in Illinois.

I would still file the form showing no income earned there. You still have a DL and everything there indicating you might return, and you did get the tax form. If you are changing your residency to Florida it would be wise to switch to a Florida DL pretty quick.

In fact, strict interpretation of the laws says you need a new DL if you are going to be living there longer than I think it is 30 days. Not too many people get bent out of shape over it if you are a student or something though.

Point is, I would file the form, then if you get one next year I think you would be fine not to, you already showed you weren't earning income there. The easier you make the paper trail for the tax people the easier your life will be in the event of an audit.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:56 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Thread starter):
However I did not get a Illinois State Tax Return form



Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9):
and you did get the tax form

I think you misread it Capt. He did not get any forms from Illinois; partly because they're not expecting him to file. I work quite closely with the auditors here and so I asked the head Auditor for the state about this scenario and he just laughed. State revenue agencies have a lot bigger fish to fry then a student living out of state who had no taxable income anyway. He would never get audited in a million years. He can file if it will make him feel better; but it will have precisely ZERO impact on anything, ever. I would've saved myself the time and stress about it.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:00 pm

Oops.. I did misread it.. It is too early in my morning to be thinking.

If you didn't get anything, then yeah, don't worry about it.

Audit monkeys really don't care who they fuck with though. If they think they can squeeze a dime they will audit you.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:08 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 11):
Audit monkeys really don't care who they fuck with though. If they think they can squeeze a dime they will audit you.

It's all about ROI (how much potential revenue they could recapture given how much time they invest in an audit). Why would they waste their time on someone with low AGI when there are PLENTY of audit candidates with higher AGI and a better probability of finding mistakes? Someone who has an AGI of $350,000 and is claiming all sorts of rare deductions is a lot more likely to have made audit-worthy mistakes then a college student who maybe made $15,000 last year. Not to mention there are audit candidates which are found through Discovery; candidates who are flagrantly committing tax fraud. Believe me; he would never get an audit. Never in a million years.

Besides, Florida is too busy worrying about Wesley Snipes.  Silly

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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 12):
Florida is too busy worrying about Wesley Snipes

Ah..that's a federal case..not Florida's , though the indictment was issued in Tampa..
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:49 pm



heres one for ya, from Canada.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:57 pm

Quoting AC777LR (Reply 14):
heres one for ya, from Canada.

Want to know what's sad? My company just got the contract to redo the entire revenue/tax system for Ontario. So I am in part one of the sick S.o.B.'s that continues the tax torment you all suffer up there. Oh well, at least I'm getting paid for it!  Wink
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:10 pm

BCAInfoSys,

What about earning money in a state that has state taxes, but being a resident of another state. The states aren't in a reciprical agreement. As the other state was out of the Great Lakes region (for me). I claim state taxes with the first state and then claim taxes paid to another state in my home state correct? So i don't get taxed twice...

I was trying to figure this out by reading online.

Thanks for any info you can provide
 
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:16 pm

You guys might want to be careful with this.

There are some horror stories about California going after people who are residents with out of state wages.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:21 pm

FWIW, I'm a legal resident of FL, so no state tax, but I get rental income from property in MA, so I have to file a non-resident MA return and pay MA tax on just that rental income...

The people who have the real problem are those who travel and earn income in many different states, as they typically have to file returns in multiple states.

Also having issues are those retired to FL but get a company pension from, let's say, NY...NY wants tax on that pension as it was based on income earned in NY.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:24 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Thread starter):
I am in college in Florida most of the year (9 months out of 12) and I work in Florida (and my work address is a Florida one which is not a PO Box but a normal address where I live) but my drivers license is from Illinois and car is is registered in Illinois. However I did not get a Illinois State Tax Return form (and FL does not have a state income tax) so it is rather puzzling.

It seems to me that you should just get a Florida's driver's license and have the car titled in FL. Problem solved.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:09 pm

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 16):
What about earning money in a state that has state taxes, but being a resident of another state. The states aren't in a reciprical agreement. As the other state was out of the Great Lakes region (for me). I claim state taxes with the first state and then claim taxes paid to another state in my home state correct? So i don't get taxed twice...

As I stated before, your residency really doesn't mean squat, it's about where you earned the money. State where income is earned in = state where taxes should be paid. The line on the return for taxes paid to another state is a generally a deduction. It allows you to deduct the amount of the taxes paid to another state so you're not taxed on that income in the other state. No sense in paying tax on taxes right?

So yes, file a return in State A as a part-year resident, claiming the taxes paid to State B on the return as a deduction. File the return with State B also as a part-year resident. You should be good to go.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9):
In fact, strict interpretation of the laws says you need a new DL if you are going to be living there longer than I think it is 30 days. Not too many people get bent out of shape over it if you are a student or something though.

Actually, one of the exceptions to this rule is students attending college in the state.
 
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:31 pm

My advice would be to consult an accountant. You don't want trouble with the IRS.

Reading this makes me glad I'm from Texas, which has no state income tax. YEE HAW!
 
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting Disruptivehair (Reply 22):
My advice would be to consult an accountant. You don't want trouble with the IRS.

Consulting an accountant is always a good idea; but this has nothing to do with the IRS! This has to do with the respective state governments.
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 23):
Consulting an accountant is always a good idea; but this has nothing to do with the IRS! This has to do with the respective state governments.

Don't want to get in trouble with them either.  cutie 

Again, makes me glad TX has no state income tax. Wooooooooo!

Y'know what pisses me off though...I've lived abroad since 2001 and I still have to file income tax returns with the IRS. WHY?
 
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 19):
It seems to me that you should just get a Florida's driver's license and have the car titled in FL. Problem solved.

Not only do I not want a FL DL and Car title here I cant.

My insurance policy is under my parents in Illinois that strictly states all cars must be registered at my home address to get the additional discounts. One of my cars is back in Ilinois and does not leave the state. My other car which I have here is labeled also as pleasure (which is a lie sort of).

Its bad enough that one is considered a performance car with a V8 and the other is an SUV...re-titling them in Florida and going on separate insurance would cost me a fortune and a half.

I plan on moving back to Illinois anyways...and If I switched to a FL license id have to re-register in another 2 years (not to mention if I got caught speeding in IL during the summer id get raped up the bejesus.)
 
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting J_Hallgren (Reply 18):
The people who have the real problem are those who travel and earn income in many different states, as they typically have to file returns in multiple states.

I ended up with 14 W2's this year!  faint 
 
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:51 am

Ok, so, I have residency in IL. I worked into TX last summer. Now does that mean I pay taxes to IL? Should be no from what I'm reading here. I have a feeling I'm gonna have to have a talk with my dad's tax guy. But here's the kicker, since I took classes and stayed at a dorm in UTA, I had my home residency address (IL) on my paychecks...does that matter? What I wouldn't give to take money from that blowhard Blagoogleabitch or whatever his name is...

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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 27):
had my home residency address (IL) on my paychecks...does that matter? What I wouldn't give to take money from that blowhard Blagoogleabitch or whatever his name is...

Im pretty sure it would have been wise to change your paycheck address to IL. I would think that you would have to pay tax to Blag the crooked crack.

BTW didnt you have a PO Box? I use my PO Box at ERAU as my paycheck address even though I have a physical address at the apartment I live in.
 
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:36 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 23):
Consulting an accountant is always a good idea; but this has nothing to do with the IRS!

Except if he pays tax to a state it's deductible for the IRS....

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 25):
My other car which I have here is labeled also as pleasure (which is a lie sort of).

Is that anything like "sort of pregnant"....

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 25):
re-titling them in Florida and going on separate insurance would cost me a fortune and a hal

Getting caught "sort of lying" to your insurance company will cost more than that if you have a wreck....
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:08 pm

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 29):
Is that anything like "sort of pregnant"....



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 29):
Getting caught "sort of lying" to your insurance company will cost more than that if you have a wreck....

Probably not. Its not a lie, the car is not the main vehicle on the policy. Insurance company knows that I go to school here.
 
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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 28):
Im pretty sure it would have been wise to change your paycheck address to IL. I would think that you would have to pay tax to Blag the crooked crack.

BTW didnt you have a PO Box? I use my PO Box at ERAU as my paycheck address even though I have a physical address at the apartment I live in.

Didn't have one at the time since I had to rent it and the move in was admittadly kinda unorganized since I got the job on short notice and couldn't find an apartment. Guess I owe that prick money.

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RE: A Stupid Income Tax Question.

Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:45 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 30):
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 29):
Getting caught "sort of lying" to your insurance company will cost more than that if you have a wreck....

Probably not. Its not a lie, the car is not the main vehicle on the policy. Insurance company knows that I go to school here.

That's no problem then. I've just seen so many insurance companies deny coverage because of "material misrepresentations" on the application....
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