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US National Chemistry Olympiad

Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:40 am

So, guys, the USA High School National Chemistry Olympiad is this weekend. Is anyone here except me gonna take part in this competition?
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:49 am

Quoting Dc9northwest (Thread starter):
USA High School National Chemistry Olympiad

Yeah, let me go throwup now.

Me, no, I will not be going there.
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RE: US National Chemistry Olympiad

Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:01 pm

Quoting Dc9northwest (Thread starter):
So, guys, the USA High School National Chemistry Olympiad is this weekend. Is anyone here except me gonna take part in this competition?

What aspect of chemistry intersts you?

Good Day  Smile

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Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:24 pm

Have fun!

My girlfriend's a chemistry major...I'm guessing she's a little like you. She's the "I'm-so-upset-I-got-an-A-minus-on-my-pchem-exam" type of girl. She had a nightmare about nitrating a benzene ring or something to that effect.

Needless to say, she's a smarter person than me.
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RE: US National Chemistry Olympiad

Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:27 pm

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 3):
She had a nightmare about nitrating a benzene ring or something to that effect.

She must be taking organic chemistry this year. I took organic twenty years ago and am so "rusty" in theory that I'm not sure if nitrating an aromatic molecule is replacing the hydrogen with a NH (2) or NO (2).  Sad

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Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 4):
I'm not sure if nitrating an aromatic molecule is replacing the hydrogen with a NH (2) or NO (2).

I took organic chemistry way back in 1995-1996, so I remember a bit of it.

Just for your information, "nitrating" an organic molecule means replacing one of its hydrogens with a NO2 group (nitrate); a nitrate is a functional group consisting of N with 2 Os attached. Did it jog your memory?

Of all the chemistry classes I took, organic was the only one I really understood--it's concrete and easy to visualise, compared with general and inorganic types of chemistry which rely largely on mathematics and computation (with which I struggle). I am a concrete, not an abstract, person!

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Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 5):
Just for your information, "nitrating" an organic molecule means replacing one of its hydrogens with a NO2 group (nitrate); a nitrate is a functional group consisting of N with 2 Os attached.

Actually, I think a nitrate is an NO(3) group while an NO(2) is nitrite, NH(2) groups are called amines, I think. Anyway, your memory is still better than mine  Wink

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 5):
Did it jog your memory?

Yes!

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 5):
Of all the chemistry classes I took, organic was the only one I really understood--it's concrete and easy to visualise, compared with general and inorganic types of chemistry which rely largely on mathematics and computation (with which I struggle).

This is true, although I did like biochemistry.

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 5):
I am a concrete, not an abstract, person!

I'm more abstract, go figure.

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 5):
I took organic chemistry way back in 1995-1996, so I remember a bit of it.

I took organic in 1986-1987. What text book did you have. We had Morrison and Boyd.

I like chemistry. To me, it is the structure of matter.

It's been a while since I had a conversation like this.  Smile

Good day  Smile

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RE: US National Chemistry Olympiad

Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 6):
Actually, I think a nitrate is an NO(3) group while an NO(2) is nitrite, NH(2) groups are called amines, I think.

Yup.
One of the answers on the test was amines.

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 5):
Of all the chemistry classes I took, organic was the only one I really understood--it's concrete and easy to visualise, compared with general and inorganic types of chemistry which rely largely on mathematics and computation (with which I struggle). I am a concrete, not an abstract, person!

I never had an organic chemistry class yet I still got most of it after I read the textbook (a minimal one though)... I don't find this subject "life-threatening" like most of my classmates, however, I'm better at math and physics. So I can't say I dislike inorganic chemistry.

I took the test today, should get just over half the answers right. Anyway, in class we only did *maybe* 25% of the material on this olympiad. So... I don't know exactly.
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:55 am

Quoting Dc9northwest (Thread starter):
So, guys, the USA High School National Chemistry Olympiad is this weekend. Is anyone here except me gonna take part in this competition?

Actually no, because my current grade in chemistry is a 66.  Smile

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 3):
"I'm-so-upset-I-got-an-A-minus-on-my-pchem-exam"

I would not be upset since i have a 66. i would be happy.
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:15 pm

I took this test 4 years ago. Basically it was a painful way to spend a Saturday afternoon. I did good on the regional qualifying test, but the National test... ouch. I had no idea how to do the lab portion of the test.
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:52 pm



See you there!
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:01 pm

Quoting Dc9northwest (Thread starter):
the USA High School National Chemistry Olympiad is this weekend. Is anyone here except me gonna take part in this competition?

Finally the real reason CastleIsland can't make the LAS meet.
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RE: US National Chemistry Olympiad

Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:18 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10):
See you there!

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

That was funny

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Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:35 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 10):

Unfortunately, thats a physics classroom, judging by the things on the walls. (yeah, Im a nerd like that)
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 13):
Unfortunately, thats a physics classroom, judging by the things on the walls. (yeah, Im a nerd like that)

What are the four equations of linear motion?
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 14):
What are the four equations of linear motion?

You know there are 5 right?

Since I suck at computer skills, I'll let you look up the equations so I don't have to kill myself trying to type them up.
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:02 am

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 15):
You know there are 5 right?

Since I suck at computer skills, I'll let you look up the equations so I don't have to kill myself trying to type them up.

Actually, there are four:

v = v (0) = at
v(squared) = v(0)squared +2a(x - x(0))
(x - x(0)) = (v(0) + v)t/2
(x - x(0)) = v(0)t = 1/2 at(squared)

http://www.antonine-education.co.uk/..._2/Topic_1/equations_of_motion.htm

The four factors of motion are: distance, velocity, acceleration, and time.

If there is a fifth factor, what is it? "Name that tune"

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 15):
I'll let you look up the equations so I don't have to kill myself trying to type them up.

If doing some simple research "kills you" (I'm paraphrasing here) then maybe you should stay in bed and just lie there. sarcastic 

Get real!

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Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:26 am

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 6):
Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 5):
I took organic chemistry way back in 1995-1996, so I remember a bit of it.

I took organic in 1986-1987. What text book did you have. We had Morrison and Boyd.

For the life of me, I cannot remember which textbook I had! All I know is that it was published by the time I took organic chemistry in 1995-1996. I have trouble remembering authors' names! It was a thick, heavy book. It was well-illustrated in colour. I am thinking Vollardt or something like that. If I saw the book somewhere, or a picture of it, I would remember.

(I was attending Indiana Univ.-Purdue Univ. Fort Wayne, as a Purdue biology major).

I also used one of those plastic colour-coded organic molecular-model kits.

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RE: US National Chemistry Olympiad

Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 17):
For the life of me, I cannot remember which textbook I had! All I know is that it was published by the time I took organic chemistry in 1995-1996. I have trouble remembering authors' names! It was a thick, heavy book. It was well-illustrated in colour. I am thinking Vollardt or something like that. If I saw the book somewhere, or a picture of it, I would remember.

(I was attending Indiana Univ.-Purdue Univ. Fort Wayne, as a Purdue biology major).

I also used one of those plastic colour-coded organic molecular-model kits.

SmithAir747

Let us discuss organic chemistrry  Smile

Topic: trans - Fatty acids; it is centered around the ethene group. Here's a pop quiz: What's the counter part to trans - Fatty acids?

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RE: US National Chemistry Olympiad

Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 18):
<"thinking theme to "Jeopardy">

ding! Time's Up.

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 18):
Here's a pop quiz: What's the counter part to trans - Fatty acids?

cis - Fatty acids
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 18):
Topic: trans - Fatty acids; it is centered around the ethene group. Here's a pop quiz: What's the counter part to trans - Fatty acids?

The counterpart to trans fatty acids are cis fatty acids. Trans (and cis) fatty acids are unsaturated fatty acids, which are opposite to saturated fatty acids.

Unsaturated fatty acids=fatty acids with one or more double bonds between carbons in the chain.

Trans fatty acids=have the double bond between Cs in the trans configuration (a straighter, rather than kinked, configuration).

Cis fatty acids=the double bond between Cs is in the cis configuration ("kinked").

In contrast to unsaturated fatty acids (the aforementioned cis and trans fatty acids), saturated fatty acids have no double bonds between Cs anywhere in the chain, and are more flexible.

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RE: US National Chemistry Olympiad

Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 16):
If there is a fifth factor, what is it? "Name that tune"

In your terms, (x - x(0)) = vt + 1/2 at(squared)

Its plugging in v final instead of v initial. If you see these as interchangeable, then yes, there are 4, but i see them as 2 different variables, so i see it as 5.

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 16):
If doing some simple research "kills you" (I'm paraphrasing here) then maybe you should stay in bed and just lie there.

Its not the simple research, its just typing equations in without symbols. Every time I try to write equations without symbols, it looks like crap

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 16):
Get real!

I am real, thanks.
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RE: US National Chemistry Olympiad

Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:16 am

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 20):
nsaturated fatty acids=fatty acids with one or more double bonds between carbons in the chain.

Mono unsaturated lipids have one double bond. Polyunsaturated compounds have more than one double ("ene") bond.

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 20):
Trans fatty acids=have the double bond between Cs in the trans configuration (a straighter, rather than kinked, configuration).



Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 20):
Cis fatty acids=the double bond between Cs is in the cis configuration ("kinked").

This is correct.  Smile The cis (aka kinked) configuration is unstable, probably because of crowding amongst the respective "R" and "R' " groups. I'm also thinking that torsional strain is part of the cause of instability of cis compounds.

 Smile

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RE: US National Chemistry Olympiad

Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:38 am

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 21):
Its not the simple research, its just typing equations in without symbols. Every time I try to write equations without symbols, it looks like crap

Point taken.

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 21):
I am real, thanks.

Speaking to you like that was wrong. I apologize.
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:56 pm

I love organic chemistry, I did my degree in Medicinal chemistry and Biochemistry, and my Ph.D in synthetic organic chemistry. I made phthalocyanines (see pic) to treat skin cancer. Great stuff!



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RE: US National Chemistry Olympiad

Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 22):
The cis (aka kinked) configuration is unstable, probably because of crowding amongst the respective "R" and "R' " groups. I'm also thinking that torsional strain is part of the cause of instability of cis compounds.

It's not so much an instability issue as it is an entropy issue. This affects the "chemical preference" of which isomer is formed. You are correct that in the cis- configuration, the R-groups are more crowded; hence, there is less chance that this isomer will be formed. Once formed, it cannot naturally convert to the trans- form just because the cis- form exhibits more steric hinderance.

Put another way, if a reaction can produce either cis- or trans- isomers and steric hindrance of the R-groups comes into play, the less hindered trans- form will be favored.
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