mt99
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Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:57 pm

Hows this for twist on things?.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/p...ll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

"NEW YORK -- The president of the leading Southern Baptist seminary has incurred sharp attacks from the left and right by suggesting that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven, and that prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation would be biblically justified.

Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., one of the country's pre-eminent evangelical leaders, acknowledged he irked many fellow conservatives with a blog article this month saying scientific research "points to some level of biological causation" for homosexuality"
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:06 pm

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Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:27 pm

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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:28 pm

Hmmm.... It is nice to hear that he recognizes a biological component of homosexuality. I disagree with using the Bible to justify "medical treatment." When religion has been used as science it generally screws it up.
 
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:31 pm

Despicable....

...correction, hypocritically despicable.
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting Adh214 (Reply 3):
Hmmm.... It is nice to hear that he recognizes a biological component of homosexuality.

My initial thoughts exactly. Isn't that a step forward already for the likes of him?
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:36 pm

Quoting Mt99 (Thread starter):
and that prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation would be biblically justified.

But wouldn't that be interfering with god's plan?

I guess when it comes to homos, the big G in God, turns into a little "g."
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:37 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 5):
Isn't that a step forward already for the likes of him?

Hell no.

I've ALWAYS maintained that the undeniable confirmation of genetically-influenced homosexual orientation could cause perhaps the biggest paradigm shift in recent generations: can you think of a faster way to turn (neo)Conservatives pro-Choice and Liberals/Progressives pro-Life, than the ability to discover whether or not a fetus is highly likely to turn out gay????
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:42 pm

Quoting Mt99 (Thread starter):
prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation

sounds like something akin to what the Nazis would do.......

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 4):
Despicable....

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Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 7):
Liberals/Progressives pro-Life, than the ability to discover whether or not a fetus is highly likely to turn out gay????

 no 

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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 5):
My initial thoughts exactly. Isn't that a step forward already for the likes of him?

One step forward that he admits babies are born that way, but two steps backwards that he considers homosexuality a "birth defect" that should be "cured" in utero.

Furthermore, this opens a whole 'nuther can of worms: designer babies. Want a whole house full of tall, blond, athletic kids even though you and your wife are short, dark-haired, and bookish? Just sign on the dotted line! Want to eradicate that pesky recessive red-haired gene that manifests in your family every few generations? Consider it gone!

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mt99
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 7):
I've ALWAYS maintained that the undeniable confirmation of genetically-influenced homosexual orientation could cause perhaps the biggest paradigm shift in recent generations

That and the discovery of Alien life...

Quoting TSS (Reply 10):
homosexuality a "birth defect" that should be "cured" in utero.

Maybe they will accept abortion in these cases...
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:58 pm

it's quite simple really. just place the baby on the floor and a bible about 10 feet away.

if the baby crawls to the bible, then it is a perfect child of god's work.

if the baby crawls away from the bible ... it is a spawn of satan!
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:02 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 12):
if the baby crawls to the bible, then it is a perfect child of god's work.

Ah but what if its the picture of the bloke on the front that is attracting him ?  Wink
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:02 pm

actually this whole thing got me thinking..

What if it is proven it is to be genetic. Would there be a blood test to determing if you are gay or not? Would wives-to-bes ask their groom to take a test before marriage?..

How would such a test it be treated as society? What would it do to married men who have children and wives?
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 14):
What if it is proven it is to be genetic. Would there be a blood test to determing if you are gay or not? Would wives-to-bes ask their groom to take a test before marriage?..

Interesting movie on the subject:

The Twilight of the Golds (1997) (TV)

Suzanne Stein has a genetic analysis done on her unborn child, she discovers that although she has a healthy baby, the child will most likely be born gay, like her brother, David. She must decide whether to keep the child, or to have an abortion. Her family enters a crisis about love and acceptance as she makes this difficult choice.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120392/plotsummary
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:20 pm

Well, if this doesn't work, they can always send them to Ted Haggard's Meth and Gayhab Colony for Recovering Homosexuals.
 
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting WellHung (Reply 16):
Ted Haggard's Meth and Gayhab Colony for Recovering Homosexuals.

According to the good reverend they would have to open a day care facility for all those flaming babies..
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:44 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 13):
Ah but what if its the picture of the bloke on the front that is attracting him ?

well ... babies *are* touchy feely
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:50 pm

Maybe instead of finding a 'cure' for homosexuality, how about finding a cure for hate.

If those brainwashed idiots spent as much time on a ludicrous thing as "curing" homosexuality as they should be on "fixing" divorce and infedelity in marriages, they would maybe (and I use maybe lightly) get more respect.

Instead they go after their favorite sin, the one they are least likely to commit.
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Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 19):
If those brainwashed idiots spent as much time on a ludicrous thing as "curing" homosexuality as they should be on "fixing" divorce and infedelity in marriages, they would maybe (and I use maybe lightly) get more respect.

five out of five baptist divorcees *totally* wish that gays would stop undermining christian values.
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 19):
If those brainwashed idiots spent as much time on a ludicrous thing as "curing" homosexuality as they should be on "fixing" divorce and infedelity in marriages, they would maybe (and I use maybe lightly) get more respect.

Instead they go after their favorite sin, the one they are least likely to commit.

 checkmark  Agree 100%. what was that saying about Let him without sin cast the first stone or something.? I'm sure the bible said nothing about preaching such hate....
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:07 am

The only "treatment" for gay babies should be pink for the boys, blue for the girls, and please don't buy their outfits at Babies R Us any longer.
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:11 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
The only "treatment" for gay babies should be pink for the boys, blue for the girls,

and the less said about yellow the better  yuck   Wink
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
The only "treatment" for gay babies should be pink for the boys, blue for the girls, and please don't buy their outfits at Babies R Us any longer.

Hello??? Some of us had flannel (no, I am not a lesbian).
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:18 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 24):
Some of us had flannel

Canadians. ::scoff::  Wink
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:20 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 25):
Canadians. ::scoff::

Damn near spit out my tea...
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 25):
Canadians. ::scoff::

Ewwww ! Is that treatable prenatally ?
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 27):
Is that treatable prenatally ?

I believe it is ... with the mother drinking less tea.
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 28):
I believe it is ... with the mother drinking less tea.

i thought this was about gay babies.

in that case ... would it be spermilac?
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 29):
would it be spermilac?

That comes in a bottle now? Does it need to be shaken violently first for it to dispense?
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 30):
That comes in a bottle now? Does it need to be shaken violently first for it to dispense?

imagine the promotional tie-ins or the headlines if there was ever a recall.
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 30):
That comes in a bottle now?

Sometimes, a bottle is first used to coax it out.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 30):
Does it need to be shaken violently first for it to dispense?

They both do.
 
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:44 am

I don't think enough people in this world have read some of Aldus Huxley's works. It's gonna be a brave new world indeed, from designer babies, master races, clone troopers, to "fag weeding". In the words of Samuel L. Jackson in Jurrasic Park, "Hold on to your butts!"

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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 14):
actually this whole thing got me thinking..

Yeah, what a load of utter C**p


Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 19):
Maybe instead of finding a 'cure' for homosexuality, how about finding a cure for hate.

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Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:58 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 20):
five out of five baptist divorcees *totally* wish that gays would stop undermining christian values.

Hmm, might have to use that one  Smile

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 33):
in Jurrasic Park, "Hold on to your butts!"

"Jurassic" and "Hang on"  Wink
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 35):
"Jurassic" and "Hang on"

Awww, son of a pain killers! Thanks for the corrections.  Smile

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Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 35):
Hmm, might have to use that one

let's sell shirts
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:51 am

>,< I'm unsure if it is genetic or social, but that's stupid. I'm all for "designer babies", but only if they stop harmful genetic diseases. Cure something useful, like cancer or TB or HIV, but gay isn't a disease ¬_¬ Retards.
 
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:11 am

I think this point was brought up before, but doesn't Christianity reject science to a point? So, in altering the "gay gene" wouldn't that be religion mixing with science and therefore go against what Christians believe? I am a Christian. Some would say I am the spawn of Satan because I have such liberal ideas, but I feel I am a Christian. If a baby is born with one hand, it is up to the hospital (science) and parents to make that child feel like it is wanted instead of "throwing it away" because it is not "perfect." IMHO, there is not enough of that going around these days: parents making their kids feel wanted. Now, it will happen even more. Just what this world needs; more hate against children...... (sarcasm)

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Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 10):
Want to eradicate that pesky recessive red-haired gene that manifests in your family every few generations?

Never! Infidel!

(I guess you can tell I have a thing for red-heads...)
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:20 am

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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting Mt99 (Thread starter):
prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation

Using this maybe?  yuck 



Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 2):
God, Don't people have better things to do? eyebrow

Probably paedophilia scandals are less important in their opinion.
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:14 am

Forcing gay people to be converted to heterosexual is a form of social control.

I guess the option would be nice if a person wanted to be straight but altering people in the womb to eliminate so called undesirable traits, or forceully converting somebody is wrong.

Where would it end? Keep in mind a lot of brilliant minds were a little odd in their own ways (not necessarily gay!, but a bit quirky or different), and if it weren't for their differences the world would be nowhere near where it is these days.

And I'm not religious, I'm an agnostic. I still know that technology can be used for horrible purposes. For example the Germans developing ovens to cremate the dead bodies of Jews who were gassed to death.

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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 43):
Forcing gay people to be converted to heterosexual is a form of social control.

I'd like to see the bands of people that go around forcing straights to be gay. At least the 'camps' will be faaaaabulous.  Wink
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 43):
Forcing gay people to be converted to heterosexual is a form of social control.

It's also like trying to teach a pig to sing opera: Impossible, and highly annoying to the pig.
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 39):
but doesn't Christianity reject science to a point?

Some fundamentalist Christians certainly 'struggle' against what scientific theories suggest: that the universe is 6,000 years old, that the theory of evolution has no merit, etc. Though I think those people are in the minority, unfortunately for the rest of us they are also the ones who tend to be the most vocal.

As a Christian, I see do not see science as somehow being opposed to faith, but a tool for us to use with our God-given minds. As with all tools, science can be used for a variety of purposes, both good and bad, though we might disagree on just what exactly is good and bad. Science and faith exist in conflict when the former is used for things that cannot be justified by the latter.

I would hope that those with a true Christian heart would never tolerate or condone genetic manipulaton or abortion of homosexual fetuses. (I say that knowing that many Christians do not publicly take positions against abortion.)
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Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:29 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 6):

But wouldn't that be interfering with god's plan?

Considering that Christians routinely use "God's plan" as an explanation for things like, say, why bad things happen to good people, I doubt it. Apparently, everything that happens is part of the greater plan, including this a.net post suggesting that belief in said plan is bullshit. Throw your stones.
 
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RE: Treatment For Gay Babies?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:45 am

How to tell if your newborn is queer:

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Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:56 am

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 46):
As a Christian, I see do not see science as somehow being opposed to faith, but a tool for us to use with our God-given minds. As with all tools, science can be used for a variety of purposes, both good and bad, though we might disagree on just what exactly is good and bad.

A very magnanimous position. As an ex-Catholic, I remain very spiritual, and as a scientist, I try not to use that against religion. I know that religion is based on faith, and I accept that many adhere to that. To me, it is not something I can accept, but please do not take that as an opinion against you. Know that I respect everyone's point of view, even if I am diametrically opposed to it.
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