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Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:40 pm

This bridge, which crosses the American River near the California State Exposition in Sacramento, is the primary train route into Oakland. Over 50 Union Pacific and Amtrak trains used it every day. Union Pacific has already dispatching bridge construction equipment and crews to the site. A UP employee in another forum said that construction materials are already being delivered on-site, even before the fire is out.

Video: http://www.kcra.com/video/11265573/index.html



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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:49 pm

Shame, but happens. Its a shame other business's and governement agencies dont plan for disasters like this. I bet this thing will be fully functioning by the end of the weekend.

Oh and I have been on this spike.
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:10 pm

I get the feeling you are interested in trains, ACM... Wink

Yes, this was/IS a big fire, I saw it as soon as I got out of the office, rushed home to see what it was. Essentially 300 feet of wooden trestle went up in flames at once. Quite a sight.

Of course, Jr. was appraised of the situation, saw it on the news that train tracks were burning. I took him outside, showed him the plume of smoke, and he asked 'We go there now?'. So later we did. Pretty impressive.

Unfortunately, this line is used for both Amtrak lines, and the Capitol Corridor, plus freight trains. I don't know how they are going to route them while the bridge is repaired.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 1):
I bet this thing will be fully functioning by the end of the weekend.

Union Pacific already states that it would be weeks before it is fixed.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:27 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
I don't know how they are going to route them while the bridge is repaired.

I think UP will install a temporary wye at Marysville and place locomotives at each end. The trains could then detour over the old Western Pacific tracks (currently owned by UP). It's a quick fix until the new bridge is built.

I'll bet the new bridge will be done within three weeks. Look how fast the railroads repaired their damage around New Orleans.  Big grin
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I think UP will install a temporary wye at Marysville and place locomotives at each end. The trains could then detour over the old Western Pacific tracks (currently owned by UP). It's a quick fix until the new bridge is built.

Seems that this detour is not too bad.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I'll bet the new bridge will be done within three weeks

Me too. But originally some were speculating 6 months, so when UP said weeks I believed them.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:39 pm

Hopefully they'll rebuild it out of concrete this time. Any idea how old the trestle was?
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:55 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 5):
Hopefully they'll rebuild it out of concrete this time.

I think that would take a lot longer than simply rebuilding the burnt out bit of the trestle

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:10 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I'll bet the new bridge will be done within three weeks. Look how fast the railroads repaired their damage around New Orleans. Big grin

Bridge replacement is a bit more involved than bridge repair. With Katrina, only CSXT got the worst of it with the bridge spans knocked off their piers. NS got track washed off the Ponchartrain bridge but that was about all for significant bridge damage. A trestle like this would most likely get a steel replacement (assuming they don't rebuild it with wooden pilings). Looks like a 3-6 week job.
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:18 pm

I'll admit that i'm very "train-stupid", but isn't the route for at least Capitol Corridor trains fairly unaffected by this, except for Roseville/Auburn? Thanks in advance for helping to see what i'm missing.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:08 pm

The KCRA video didn't work for me and I just saw the feed on MSNBC this morning. That was huge! The whole trestle was in flames!
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:50 pm

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 8):
but isn't the route for at least Capitol Corridor trains fairly unaffected by this, except for Roseville/Auburn?

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But the Amtraks up to Seattle and San Francisco are affected.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
The whole trestle was in flames!

That plume of smoke was very visible. Some reports said you could see it 90 miles away.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:12 am

Here's a website with photos taken by a Sacramento railfan.

http://www.bnsffoamer.com/images/SacramentoFire/IMG_0453.jpg
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:17 am

IT'S STILL BURNING!

There is a nice plume of smoke still visible.

Amtrak service from Auburn indefinitely suspended.

Have not heard how they are going to reroute the freight trains, as this line goes directly into UP's Roseville Yard.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 12):
Have not heard how they are going to reroute the freight trains

They're either going to put that wye in at Marysville or quickly upgrade an industrial siding just north of the trestle. All they have to do is lay 400 feet of track and install a switch and they can connect to the old Western Pacific main line that's 3000 feet west of the trestle.

http://www.zjstech.net/~library/4249/sacmap3_0001.jpg

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):

Great map. The fire area is about twice as large as you show it, as it starts right at the bridge (1910 vintage) and goes close to the industrial area.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
All they have to do is lay 400 feet of track and install a switch and they can connect to the old Western Pacific main line that's 3000 feet west of the trestle.

I was looking at that area last night, that's probably the easiest way to go. And there is no residential zone close to this.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:49 am

Update

You can still see smoke as of 3:30 pm local time.

UP says 1400 feet (1400!) will be replaced. Demolition will start tomorrow.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:35 am

The wye at Marysville was installed today.

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:22 am

UP crews have been removing what's left of the bridge today.





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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:56 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
Union Pacific already states that it would be weeks

Ya I was being abit optimistic, but the fact that they had a plan and implement that plan before the disaster is over is what amazed me.
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:04 am

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 18):
but the fact that they had a plan and implement that plan before the disaster is over is what amazed me.

They better have, this is a main line running thru town. The estimate is 30-40 million to replace, but as seen, the clearing has already started.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 17):
UP crews have been removing what's left of the bridge today.

Hell, it would have been easier to clean up if they would have just let it burn completely down.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 20):

Hell, it would have been easier to clean up if they would have just let it burn completely down.

It was estimated that this fire could burn for days, because of the creosote treatment of the wood. I assume that UP wanted to get going on this ASAP. Witness the cleanup beginning while the fire is still smoldering, if not burning. I can still see the smoke.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:36 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 21):
It was estimated that this fire could burn for days, because of the creosote treatment of the wood.

Yeah, I know. And the EPA is probably already short-stroking over the fire anyway.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:11 am

You can still see the smoke from my house, about 15 miles away.

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:55 am

Here's a great picture, taken by Andrew Robb:

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:06 am

The remains of the old one has been cleared way already.

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:12 am

Great article on the Sacramento Bee. First leg opened on Apri1, second a month later.

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/139681.html
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:34 am

Any word yet on what might have caused the fire? It would take more than sparks from something dragging to start that thing to fire.
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 27):
It would take more than sparks from something dragging to start that thing to fire.

I've witnessed a hotbox start a creosote-soaked tie on fire. Also, when I was a kid, my dad (a railroad signal maintainer) showed me how a glass insulator from a telegraph pole could start a creosote tie splinter on fire. That trestle was reportedly dripping with creosote.

An Amtrak train crossed the trestle six minutes before the first news chopper showed 300 feet of trackbed on fire.
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:30 pm

Firefighters still there mopping up.

UP moving material to site.

Delay of two hours due to reroute.

Estimated million per day loss.

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:49 pm

Here's the new Marysville wye. You can see the new track and one of the new signals. Not bad for one day of work.

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:18 am

The new trestle is almost done.

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:24 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 31):
The new trestle is almost done.

DAMN that's fast
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:54 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 32):
DAMN that's fast

That's what she said!
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:54 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 33):
That's what she said!

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:14 am

Looks like steel pilings with concrete caps.
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 35):
Looks like steel pilings with concrete caps.

That's what it's made of.

Here's a site with daily updates: http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/2007/sacramento_bridge.shtml



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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:38 am

Now if only we could start putting that kind of effort into highways!

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:53 pm

What amazes me is they must have had pre-made concrete sections. How long does concrete take to cure to optimal strength? I thought it was in the neighborhood of a month. Anyways, good job on the proper planning.
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 38):
How long does concrete take to cure to optimal strength? I thought it was in the neighborhood of a month

Yeah it's usually quoted as 30 days. Never stopped anyone from putting up a frame on a concrete foundation a day or two after it was poured. Of course a house frame doesn't weigh a few million tons.  Wink


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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:15 am

12 days from start of fire to first train passing over new bridge... Im amazed.

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:16 am

First section reopened today!

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/144707.html
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 41):
First section reopened today

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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:29 am

"Saying work went more smoothly than expected, Union Pacific rail officials early Tuesday reopened one of two tracks destroyed nearly two weeks ago in a dramatic trestle fire near downtown Sacramento. The first freight train traveled over the new line just before 2 a.m. Tuesday, UP spokesman Mark Davis said.

Officials said they expect to have the second track at the site open by April 3, nearly a month ahead of their earlier projections. UP is constructing the new bridge with pre-fabricated materials that were shipped via truck and train to the site, and assembled.

Some 1,400 feet of the trestle was destroyed by a mysterious fire just north of the American River in Sacramento on Thursday afternoon, March 15. The cause of the blaze is under investigation, city fire officials said."
 
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RE: Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:14 pm

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 40):
12 days from start of fire to first train passing over new bridge... Im amazed.

It's amazing for sure, but not as amazing as the feats of United States Military Railroad Construction Engineer Herman Haupt and his civilian Construction Corps during the Civil War. They did bridge jobs like this all the time. The most amazing bridge repair was to the Potomac Creek trestle. The original bridge which was destroyed by the Confederates was something like 300 feet long and 80-100 feet high. It took over a year to complete. Haupt and his men had trains running over an entirely new trestle at that site in less than seven days. Railroad companies learned a lot from the repair techniques that Haupt and the USMRR perfected. One such practice was the use of prefabricated bridge spans-assembled in the Alexandria yards and shipped over the USMRR controlled lines to the locations where they were needed.
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