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Any Lenovo 3000 V100 Users Here?

Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:38 pm

Well, the laptop search goes on...my Toshiba that I ordered arrived, and it totally was horrible, way too noisy plus I hated Vista and there was a glitch with the computer and Toshiba's technical support was abysmally bad, the worst Ive ever experienced, so I decided the best thing to do would be to send it back...so the search goes on...

The next one I want to try which seems to fit most of my criteria is the Lenovo 3000 V100...the reviews seem acceptable to me, but I havent yet tried it out in a store display or anything (not that that will help my decision or anything, I tried a comparable Toshiba to the one I ended up getting in several stores and was happy all times, but when the real thing arrived, not so much)...hopefully Monday...it still has XP available which is a huge plus (not many new laptops do it seems ) ...anyone got one and cares to comment about it?? (particularly the quietness of it, that is one of the top issues that I have, it must be quiet!)

Also, if anyone has any other suggestions for laptops, Im willing to listen, as my search has otherwise kind of dried up...basic requirements are...budget: $1500 or so...screen size: 12 - 14 inches...optical drive of some sort built in...and of course, the key word: quiet! ...and for the Mac fans out there, sorry, but a Mac is likely out of the question this round, PC's only please!

Mods: please move to non-av when you get a chance, did not realize I was posting in the wrong forum, thanks!

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RE: Any Lenovo 3000 V100 Users Here?

Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting USAFHummer (Thread starter):
...and for the Mac fans out there, sorry, but a Mac is likely out of the question this round

Why, exactly? A MacBook (which would fit your requirements) can be used as a PC as well, even boot into Windows natively if you want.

A normal MacBook is not a gaming machine (chipset GPU), but otherwise it's fast, quiet, thin, has a very good feature set and fits your price range.

As said above, you can run Windows on it either natively or in parallel to MacOS X, so you can continue to use everything you've got, even if you may (or may not) decide to switch to MacOS X later. (You'd need a separate copy of Windows, of course. Apple provides the Windows hardware drivers, but not Windows itself.)

Of course you might have requirements which the MacBook cannot fulfil, but there aren't too many of those.

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Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:36 pm

You've got several Apple Stores in your vicinity as far as I can see, so you could just check it out in person as well.
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Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:07 pm

Serious Klaus give it a rest!

Do you have shares in Apple? Do you work for Apple?
Or maybe your just a tiny bit sad?

I have said it before - your right - Mac's are nice, they are good, but god damn it, your like a broken record. I don't know whats worse, UTA and co with the RHAAing or you and your Apple obsession.

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Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 3):
Do you have shares in Apple? Do you work for Apple?
Or maybe your just a tiny bit sad?

I have used various computers over the years and I'm simply a satisfied customer spreading the word. If you find it sad that people are trying to help others, that's your choice of course.


By far most people looking for a new computer have no idea about Macs and simply end up with a PC by default.

And for a complex and relatively expensive product which can waste a sizable portion of your precious free time if you're unfortunate, just settling for the default without informing yourself about alternatives is pretty much the worst choice you can make.

Greg is looking for a computer pretty much exactly like the MacBook from what he wrote above. If his reason for not wanting a Mac should be that it would not run his existing Windows applications, that's simply not so. You can (and probably want to) use MacOS X once you've got a Mac, but you don't need to. Running a MacBook under Windos still gives you a well-built, compact and fast computer.

You may have noticed (or not) that I was merely offering information. Have you?
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:48 am

...Macs are a bit pricey however it does seem to fit in the aforementioned price range...

vista however might be problematic...especially with WiFi (many drivers don't work)..and ther are a lot of things which don't work with Vista 64-bit, though the 32-bit version of Vista runs well..

XP runs perfectly well...

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Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:52 am

We use the Lenovo Think Pads at our government agency and like them, although not the specfic model you are looking at. I think the latest ones we have gotten are the R61 and X62. One is a really skinny-mini one and the other is normal sized.

Our corporate standard is XP SP2, but I am using Vista on this machine and loving it!
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Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:04 am

I'm with Klaus on this one, BA757 - get a mac and you will understand what its like to be happy Big grin

A MacBook really could be an option here. Apple do seriously nice deals on refurbs. Check them out!

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Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:25 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 7):
BA757 - get a mac and you will understand what its like to be happy

Are you going to pay for it?

And for what its worth, I am plenty happy with using Windows based machines - I don't need a Mac to be happy. HOWEVER, I am almost certain my notebook replacement will almost certainly be a Macbook. I have said many times I don't mind them. A Windows desktop and a Macbook, the best of both worlds.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
I have used various computers over the years and I'm simply a satisfied customer spreading the word. If you find it sad that people are trying to help others, that's your choice of course.


By far most people looking for a new computer have no idea about Macs and simply end up with a PC by default.

And for a complex and relatively expensive product which can waste a sizable portion of your precious free time if you're unfortunate, just settling for the default without informing yourself about alternatives is pretty much the worst choice you can make.

Greg is looking for a computer pretty much exactly like the MacBook from what he wrote above. If his reason for not wanting a Mac should be that it would not run his existing Windows applications, that's simply not so. You can (and probably want to) use MacOS X once you've got a Mac, but you don't need to. Running a MacBook under Windos still gives you a well-built, compact and fast computer.

You may have noticed (or not) that I was merely offering information. Have you?

As I have said many times before - I don't dispute the suitability of Mac's. They are good. But like I have said to you before, not everyone wants one.

I think every member of this website knows they have a choice, obviously so judging by the number of the 'Signed By Klaus' in threads. All I am saying is YOU sound like a broken record. Pretty much any thread that pops up computing related you come in suggesting they get a Mac - it gets a little tedious, you know?
 
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RE: Any Lenovo 3000 V100 Users Here?

Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:18 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 8):
Are you going to pay for it?

If you're looking for a computer with a closely similar feature set (including high-end features like Core 2 Duo CPU, a/b/g/n-level WiFi, Gigabit ethernet, digital video, digital audio in/out and more), you'd be paying for it either way. There is none or very little of an "Apple premium" in price, and you'll usually get top-notch quality for it in return.

Quoting BA757 (Reply 8):
And for what its worth, I am plenty happy with using Windows based machines - I don't need a Mac to be happy.

I'd certainly hope so! Big grin
You should not need a Mac to be happy - but most people who can talk from experience would tell you that it helps a bit.

Quoting BA757 (Reply 8):
I think every member of this website knows they have a choice, obviously so judging by the number of the 'Signed By Klaus' in threads. All I am saying is YOU sound like a broken record. Pretty much any thread that pops up computing related you come in suggesting they get a Mac - it gets a little tedious, you know?

That would be assuming that what I'm saying was false. But strangely the people proposing that are usually the ones who've not had any experience with an actual comparison themselves. Which pretty much makes my point of urging everybody to check for themselves and make an informed decision on that basis. That's it.

That Macs have in fact become an excellent option for the majority of computer purchases (there still are exceptions) makes it very much relevant to point out that most of the hurdles people keep imagining simply don't exist any more (or never have).
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:13 am

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 6):
We use the Lenovo Think Pads at our government agency and like them, although not the specfic model you are looking at. I think the latest ones we have gotten are the R61 and X62. One is a really skinny-mini one and the other is normal sized.

ThinkPads are quite a bit different beasts than the Lenovo 3000s. ThinkPads seem aimed at the corporate/business market, and while Lenovo has been updating them to keep them current, the basic form factors come from the IBM days. I use a ThinkPad X60 at work and am mostly happy with it. A friend of mine works at the computer center of a university bookstore and has had some not so nice things to say about Lenovo 3000s.
 
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:55 pm

Lenovo is actually IBM in disguise so you have no worries. My older brother has the exact model you're thinking of and is very happy with it.

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Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:45 pm

i am working on and with a lenovo 3000 V100 and have nothing yet to complain about. its a handy thing, makes a robust impression is also good at weight. I have a iBook privately and though I love macs, I was not lucky with it. last year the harddisk died, and this year the battery.

but then, I am travelling quite a bit and this was maybe not the best thing for it. lets see how the lenovo likes it.

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RE: Any Lenovo 3000 V100 Users Here?

Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:31 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 11):
Lenovo is actually IBM in disguise

No, it's not. Lenovo bought IBM's PC business and so inherited the existing model lines, but it remains to be seen if they really manage to keep up the same standards IBM had in the long run. Judging from widespread comments on their lower (non-IBM) lines, that seems kind of doubtful...
 
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:50 pm

forgot to mention,

the only thing which sucks with this lenovo laptop is the akku is worth for less than an hour, even if doing nothing than playing hearts... that was the good thing with mac, it lasted for up to 3 hours working in word. well, before it went broke....
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RE: Any Lenovo 3000 V100 Users Here?

Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:52 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
If you're looking for a computer with a closely similar feature set (including high-end features like Core 2 Duo CPU, a/b/g/n-level WiFi, Gigabit ethernet, digital video, digital audio in/out and more), you'd be paying for it either way. There is none or very little of an "Apple premium" in price, and you'll usually get top-notch quality for it in return.

I know I seem to be doing a lot of disagreeing but in this case with the bottom speced macbooks (£750) and the bottom speced Imac, are backward in terms of specs. In terms of RAM I got the same amount on my computer which I got 2 years ago!! The graphics cards on the cheaper models are laughable as well. In all fairness the more expensive models are better value but for the price range that most of us have in mind, the only thing going for them is that they look pretty and come with a good antivirus (mac OSX).

A good game I like to play, is to look at the bottom speced macbook (not cheap) and then see what better hardware I can get for the same price (you would be surprised...)

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Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 15):
I know I seem to be doing a lot of disagreeing but in this case with the bottom speced macbooks (£750) and the bottom speced Imac, are backward in terms of specs. In terms of RAM I got the same amount on my computer which I got 2 years ago!! The graphics cards on the cheaper models are laughable as well.

If you're looking for a cheap toy, a low-end PC with a crippled CPU, second-rate networking, cheap and shoddy construction all around and no real support will suffice, as long as it's got a beefy graphics card.

I've repeatedly stated that that is one of the kinds of machines which Apple does not offer; If that's what you want, get a Windows-only PC. But it's miles apart from a quality full-service computer for multi-purpose use.

By the way: Both with the iMac and the MacBook skipping over the smallest model will give you a significant jump in performance; Not everybody may need it, but the relatively modest difference in price is well worth it.
 
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RE: Any Lenovo 3000 V100 Users Here?

Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
f you're looking for a cheap toy, a low-end PC with a crippled CPU, second-rate networking, cheap and shoddy construction all around and no real support will suffice, as long as it's got a beefy graphics card.

I do not know wether to laugh or cry, or as I am also in the market for a new laptop, provide a link to one of the ones I am looking at....

I think I will do the later....

I am looking at Acer laptops which seem to be very well speced and have good prices. I have also heard that Dell make good laptops.

Regards,
Matt

P.S Apple are not the be all and end all in terms of qaulity. Below is an interesting link:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/21/s...ffecting-17-inch-macbook-pros-too/
This seems to be a bigger problem on the Macs than other laptops. Could this be because of the higher temperature that they run at?

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RE: Any Lenovo 3000 V100 Users Here?

Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:33 am

Allright, I went and checked out a Macbook at a local store here the other day, and what I did not like about it was the keyboard...I cant imagine myself using that to type with for the next 4 or so years...

While I liked the Lenovo Thinkpad line that I tried out in stores, I have read online that they can be noisy...getting a read on noise is tough because the stories themselves by nature are noisy and so its tough to hear how loud it is...I also liked the 11 inch Sony VAIO model, but that is way out of my price range unfortunately...

The tough thing about the V100 is that I cannot find a demo model of it anywhere in stores...I have been to pretty much every store here in town that sells laptops, and the only Lenovo's I find are some Thinkpad models and the N100...kind of frustrating...
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RE: Any Lenovo 3000 V100 Users Here?

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:23 pm

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 18):
Allright, I went and checked out a Macbook at a local store here the other day, and what I did not like about it was the keyboard...I cant imagine myself using that to type with for the next 4 or so years...

Because of the visual appearance or because of the actual mechanics?

It certainly looks unusual, but according to all tests I've heard so far, the mechanical feel is supposed to be quite good (my MacBook Pro has "conventional" key caps and a different mechanical construction and I've not used a MacBook so far).

I'd actually prefer the MacBook key caps over the conventional ones if I had the choice because they should be a bit more practical when typing fast.
 
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RE: Any Lenovo 3000 V100 Users Here?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:01 am

I'd stay away from Lenovo if I were you...the quality has taken a nose dive ever since they bought the StinkPad product line from IBM so I wouldn't trust their own products. I work with hundreds of laptops as part of my job, and the only StinkPad that I would recommend would be the T Series, which are reliable. Otherwise, it is just one failure after another with them - espescially the R and X series, ugh...

Dell still hasn't figured out to make a reasonably priced laptop that doesn't look like it was made from the recycled dashboards of 1990 Chevy Cavaliers.

Have a look into the HP product lines, the dv2000 series sounds like it fits your needs quite well. They have been very solid in my experience and are good value for money. http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...ainment&series_name=dv2000t_series

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