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High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:10 am

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec04/recruit_12-13.html

It sems for me to be very strange...
So young people.
Children.
Is US military so desperate for soldiers?

A lot of the soldiers that have joined for Iraq
comes for poor families and areas in USA.

How many of the top US politicians and
CEO:s have children in Iraq? Not many...
 
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:20 am

"So young people". Oh jeez   Yeah sure Once a person is 18, they're an adult. There's nothing wrong with recruitment in HS. Especially since other companies recruit for anyone who isn't interested in college. 18 year olds are capable of rational decisions.

Now if the military were recruiting Kindergarteners, then you'd have a legit thread Bo, alas, we know why this has been started.  Yeah sure

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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:29 am

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 2):
Once a person is 18, they're an adult.

except they need to be 21 to drink and 23 or so to get off their parents' insurance plans.

16/17/18 is still very corruptable. trust me, i have AOL chat logs over the last many years to prove it.

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
Is US military so desperate for soldiers?

yes.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 5):
except they need to be 21 to drink and 23 or so to get off their parents' insurance plans.

16/17/18 is still very corruptable. trust me, i have AOL chat logs over the last many years to prove it.

21 and 23 is another thread about the stupidity of drinking laws, and binge drinking on college campuses (EDIT: I was going to add, ask any 22 year old if they want the added cost of their own insurance plans, and I assure you they'd rather freeload from mommy and daddy for at least another year. More of my peers view being booted off their folks' insurance as a crisis rather than a right of passage) And looking at older types like Lisa Nowak, and even some of my 20-25 year old peers, corruptability doesn't seem to decline. If a person can be trusted to vote, decide whether he/she wants college or a job right out of HS, then they can decide if they want to join the military.

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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
It sems for me to be very strange...
So young people.
Children.
Is US military so desperate for soldiers?

Many people end their education at the high school level, for whatever reason. The military is a career option just like anything else, and may be attractive to kids who are not interested in going to college right now, or are unable to because of grades or finances.

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
A lot of the soldiers that have joined for Iraq
comes for poor families and areas in USA.

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As has been discussed here before, the background profile of military personel in Iraq is actually higher than that of the general population. I.E. Their are more kids who volunteer coming from middle or upper class families than from the poor, relative to the population.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 6):
And looking at older types like Lisa Nowak, and even some of my 20-25 year old peers, corruptability doesn't seem to decline.

that's not corruptability. that's a woman on a mission.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:46 am

Yeah. The military recruits at my school. And it gets people who have bad parents, a bad home something to shoot for. Thats a bad thing? If anything, military presence in my school has helped it.

Plus the National Guard pays for some things, like the mandatory lanyards and stuff like that.

The military is a good operation. It helps people, supports the local economy, creates tons of jobs around here (civil too), lots of good things.

Nothing bad about that.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:50 am

"As has been discussed here before, the background profile of military personel in Iraq is actually higher than that of the general population. I.E. Their are more kids who volunteer coming from middle or upper class families than from the poor, relative to the population."

I would appreciate a ref to that. Tks!
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:50 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):

And this doesn't happen anywhere else?

The Canadian Forces do the same thing, and it's probably common in other countries as well.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 10):

Well we don't even have the chance to say no if the military decides that we are fit for being in the military. At least not without risking jailtime.
 
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
It sems for me to be very strange...
So young people.
Children.

Canada is just as "bad" then in your opinion, because they do exactly the same thing. You can join at 17 with parents permission or 18 by yourself. Stop the US-bashing, it is really getting tiring.
 
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:57 am

This forum is very strict.
Maybe the China regime is only harder...
I do not know why.
If for ex USA is a great democracy so must
it be OK to discuss USA and it military for example.
We can discuss everything here about China, Iran
or Venezuella but USA is very very explosive theme...
It is not very democratic and as this site is swedish
must i say that i am supriced.  Sad
 
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
So young people.

In your eyes, how old is old enough to be a soldier?

Heck, even the Swiss army has 18 year old soldiers; plus since military service is still mandatory here, we don't even get the liberty of deciding wether to join the forces or not (ok ok, we also have the option of doing civil service...)
 
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:07 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 15):
This forum is very strict.
Maybe the China regime is only harder...
I do not know why.
If for ex USA is a great democracy so must
it be OK to discuss USA and it military for example.
We can discuss everything here about China, Iran
or Venezuella but USA is very very explosive theme...
It is not very democratic and as this site is swedish
must i say that i am supriced

The problem is you are bringing up an issue that has been discussed to death in this forum.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 15):
it be OK to discuss USA and it military for example.

There is a big difference between discussing the US and its military and bashing it. You are constantly coming into these forums with not only spiteful, but distorted and borderline false views on the US. It gets old quick. Hence the "strictness."
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 15):

Your thread was bashed because it was intentionally misleading. The United States isn't the only nation to recruit high school graduates. It is considered the norm in many other countries.
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:13 am

We have the same here.* But we do not send them to Iraq. They are to young for that kind of war and just have a basic traing and to basic equipment. Just as the young US soldiers in Iraq... It was a swedish journalist who whas embedded with US soldiers in Iraq and he said that this young US soldiers of 18 do not know what to do when it is enemy fire. Most of them are so afraid that they is dangerous for the whole team. They have in many caes not been out of their home state and now are they in a enviroment that they do not understand. To young, to little training and to little knowledge about this region in the world.

* 12 months basic military training + several months extra for UN missions training.

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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:17 am

If you think it is to much discussion about a certain question, do not answer then...
But others here maybe think is is Ok and have not seen similar before. Not all have
been here since the 90:s.
 
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:18 am

There is nothing sinister about it.

When I was in High School ('96-'00) they would set up a table near the entrance to the cafeteria, and if anyone was interested they could go up and talk to the recruiters. Nobody was forced to talk to them.

Allow me to say, as well, that I went to a private high school. Not some dumpy, rundown high school in a poor neighborhood, which I think a lot of people believe only recruiters go to to get people to join the military. They really do try to reach out to all students.
 
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 15):
This forum is very strict.
Maybe the China regime is only harder...
I do not know why.
If for ex USA is a great democracy so must
it be OK to discuss USA and it military for example.
We can discuss everything here about China, Iran
or Venezuella but USA is very very explosive theme...
It is not very democratic and as this site is swedish
must i say that i am supriced.

Maybe it's because we Americans are tired of hearing the rest of the world tell us about how we are a bunch of murdering, capitalist pieces of shit. I am quite tired of the American bashers on this website who have nothing better to do than find things wrong with America and complain about them. There are a lot of you on this website who owe your very freedom to people like my grand father, who over sixty years ago found himself on a boat to Europe to liberate millions of people. My grandfather took two bullets in Normandy, helped bail out the 101st in Bastonge, and finished kicking the ever loving piss out of the Nazi's. Here we are now over sixty years later and no matter what we do as a country we are vilified. What can we do to make the rest of the world happy, and furthermore should we care if the rest of the world is happy? We all have our preconceived notions about countries around the world. I have bashed the french on this website many times, but I had never been. I spent a week there in December wandering the streets of Paris and fell so in love with it that I would seriously consider living there for a year. My point is maybe people should be concentrating on the shortcomings of their own countries they get their panties in a wad about our social affairs. We all have issues that we don't agree with, but unless you are a voting citizen I don't really care what you have to say.



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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 21):
Not all have
been here since the 90:s.

One need not be here in the 90's to know this has been discussed to the nth degree. I've been here since 2003 and seen it many times.

You see Bofredrik, maybe people would be more willing to accept discussing your thread if it was less biased. It is very obvious you have a strong dislike for the US. It shows in your complete and total lack of knowledge regarding not only our military operations, but other countries as well.

So, not only does it help to know what your talking about when it is such a controversial issue, it also helps to lessen the bias.
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 25):
One need not be here in the 90's to know this has been discussed to the nth degree. I've been here since 2003 and seen it many times.

You see Bofredrik, maybe people would be more willing to accept discussing your thread if it was less biased. It is very obvious you have a strong dislike for the US. It shows in your complete and total lack of knowledge regarding not only our military operations, but other countries as well.

So, not only does it help to know what your talking about when it is such a controversial issue, it also helps to lessen the bias

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Actually, if the thread starter wants to start a thread on the poor readiness of the US military, I invite him to wander over to the mil-av & space thread. I'm sure his views would receive a rousing reception over there.  Wink
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:30 am

I like to have a discussion with someone who thinks the opposite of me.
That is a discussion. I do not know what you call it when everybody must
agree of the basics. It sounds like former USSR to me... Or the new Russia.

But thanks for this non-discussion anywhay.
AND all the answers from the great democracy USA.
When all opinions is free.
What a joke... Big grin


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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 27):
I like to have a discussion with someone who thinks the opposite of me.
That is a discussion. I do not know what you call it when everybody must
agree of the basics. It sounds like former USSR to me... Or the new Russia.

But thanks for this non-discussion anywhay.
AND all the answers from the great democracy USA.
When all opinions is free.
What a joke...


MODERATOR! Please cancel my membership.
I should look for a more democratic and open one.
Thank you anyway for a good site in many other aspects!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...s=high+school+recruiters#ID1138763
There's a thread about it.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...1158&s=military+recruiter#ID311158
Here's another. The second one was started before the war in Iraq, maybe you'll find more neutral opinions in it.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 20):
We have the same here. But we do not send them to Iraq.

Again, your argument is bogus. Other countries deploy their troops, age notwithstanding, into combat elsewhere. If Sweden was involved in a large conflict, they would do the same. It would be futile for any military to recruit personnel that would not be expected to fight in a combat situation.
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 27):
But thanks for this non-discussion anywhay.
AND all the answers from the great democracy USA.

What you don't realize is that on this board you're going to get a broad range of backgrounds and viewpoints on any issue, just due to the diversity of ages and nationalities. You've gotta roll with the punches.

When I entered high school, the draft was still in force, so they didn't need to recruit. By the time I was a senior, only one male out of the 300+ in my class volunteered to enter the armed forces, who signed up with the Marines. Nice guy too, lost track of him, but I'm sure he did well.

But as I've said before, and few have quarreled with, the military is a valid, honorable, respectable career for many, regardless of their background. That said, I don't believe in giving them any special treatment any other career recruiter would receive in a similar location. Having a recruiter at a high school isn't a sign of any "desperation" at all.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 20):
We have the same here.* But we do not send them to Iraq. They are to young for that kind of war and just have a basic traing and to basic equipment. Just as the young US soldiers in Iraq... It was a swedish journalist who whas embedded with US soldiers in Iraq and he said that this young US soldiers of 18 do not know what to do when it is enemy fire. Most of them are so afraid that they is dangerous for the whole team. They have in many caes not been out of their home state and now are they in a enviroment that they do not understand. To young, to little training and to little knowledge about this region in the world.

A military gets deployed sometimes Bofred...otherwise it's just an expensive collection of state sponsored gun, pilot, and yacht clubs. How young is too young for combat? Guess what, rarely in history has basic training TRULY prepared one for combat. In most wars, those with combat experience tell those without it to keep there minds open to some changes in tactics/strategy.

When an adult signs up for the military, college, or to work at a company, it is understood that he/she understands what to expect, be it that his/her country is at war, how difficult the courses are in the college, and what the company makes/sells. So quit acting like US high schoolers are victims here. Unlike you I have a choice whether I want to join the military or not.

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 27):
I like to have a discussion with someone who thinks the opposite of me.
That is a discussion. I do not know what you call it when everybody must
agree of the basics. It sounds like former USSR to me... Or the new Russia.

But thanks for this non-discussion anywhay.
AND all the answers from the great democracy USA.
When all opinions is free.
What a joke...

You are stubborn as well as clueless. This has been discussed many times, and if your intentions weren't sinister, then you would have asked about military recruitment in general, and NOT singled out the US. It would be the same as me likening your mom to a prostitute while ignoring that other women are just as capable. Obviously you'd be pissed off by that...no? Now do you get why others here are miffed at you?

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 27):
MODERATOR! Please cancel my membership.
I should look for a more democratic and open one.
Thank you anyway for a good site in many other aspects!

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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:18 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec04/recruit_12-13.html

It sems for me to be very strange...
So young people.
Children.
Is US military so desperate for soldiers?

A lot of the soldiers that have joined for Iraq
comes for poor families and areas in USA.

How many of the top US politicians and
CEO:s have children in Iraq? Not many...

There are thousands of conscripts in the Swedish military

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 10):
"As has been discussed here before, the background profile of military personel in Iraq is actually higher than that of the general population. I.E. Their are more kids who volunteer coming from middle or upper class families than from the poor, relative to the population."

I would appreciate a ref to that. Tks!

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Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 31):
Having a recruiter at a high school isn't a sign of any "desperation" at all.

i disagree as they certainly scraped the bottom of the barrel at my high school.

then again we went to high school in different times, too.
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 34):
then again we went to high school in different times, too.

Good point. I'm not aware of who they're picking up from the high schools these days, and don't have anything to compare it to really, since they didn't recruit at my high school for the reasons I gave previously.
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 34):
i disagree as they certainly scraped the bottom of the barrel at my high school.

I hope you didnt go to high school anytime recently. I believe military recruiters are just like college recruiters that coem to the high school. They show off an opportunity for a career and a future. They don't ever scrape the bottom of the barrel of school. They look for the best as colleges do. It may seem that they do since many students with a poor education cant get into college, so the military is a valuble resource.
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting Tz757300 (Reply 36):
They look for the best as colleges do.

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The people were the nicest of any of the recruiters I saw at school, especially the Marines and Air Force. The higher the score, the more interested they were, and the more offers they made you! I had nothing but respect for them, and only had a problem with the Navy (though it was not the Navy's fault). Plus, one of the one's in the Army would bring pumpkin pie on occasion (only pumpkin....he said that was really all he cared for), and although he usually hid away in the library while eating it, I sometimes got a piece too.  cloudnine 

There's nothing wrong with them recruiting. If you ask not to be spoken to, they'll honor that and not go after you! Good guys really, and they're always on the level. One of my good friends, who used to get all D's and C's, joined the Marines, and now he's at college...with a 3.8! He said that it's the best decision he ever made, and I'm proud that my country could help him.
 
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:23 am

Quoting Klima (Reply 22):
When I was in High School ('96-'00) they would set up a table near the entrance to the cafeteria, and if anyone was interested they could go up and talk to the recruiters. Nobody was forced to talk to them.

Same here.

When I graduated in May of 06, I think 7 -10 joined the Florida Army National Guard. 2 joined the Air force and I think some joined the Marines. But, many chose to go to college. All joined voluntarily.

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Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting Tz757300 (Reply 36):
They don't ever scrape the bottom of the barrel of school. They look for the best as colleges do.

no. they scrape the bottom of the barrel. they want everybody to feel almighty and self important and as if they are going to play the most important role in Operation Sandbagging A Dam Break. they always seem to have lots of gifts, food, and freebies, etc. gee, i wonder why. and they called. and called. and called. and called. always wanting to chat and offering tickets to college basketball games, all kinds of shit. something rich kids already have. bore.
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Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:39 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 39):
no. they scrape the bottom of the barrel. they want everybody to feel almighty and self important and as if they are going to play the most important role in Operation Sandbagging A Dam Break. they always seem to have lots of gifts, food, and freebies, etc. gee, i wonder why. and they called. and called. and called. and called. always wanting to chat and offering tickets to college basketball games, all kinds of shit. something rich kids already have. bore.

I really want to know why your opinion on this is the way it is. Yes, they have freebies out there but all it is is eye candy. all they want to do is talk. if you talk, dont like what they have to offer, you leave and they dont talk anymore. I also believe that they dont want to make people feel almighty and self important, but to make people feel like they are doing something important and productive with their lives. They dont scrape the bottom of the barrel, really. I do have some not so smart friends who talked with the recruiter and the recruiter wasnt so enthused about them but did his job and gave out info. I came up to him, and not to be self-centered but im a pretty smart guy, and I told him my AFQT score on the ASVAB and his eyes lit up. I was mentioned stuff that my other friends werent. They really do want the best and brightest, even though most of the people that do eventually go into the military are kinda dim. And what do rich kids have to do with it?
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:39 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 39):
offering tickets to college basketball games, all kinds of shit.

They should offer women. Cut down on the hassles of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".  Wink
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:42 am

Military recruiters have been in high schools for decades. It's nothing new. The kids that sign up know they're not going to be babied for a couple of years (like those in the Swedish army).

In the 1960's and 1970's, there were dozens of recruits from my school that graduated from school in May and were in Vietnam before the end of summer. And some were back home before Christmas (minus a few body parts).

The kids know damned well what they're getting themselves into.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:46 am

It's not just in the US where the recriuters visit High Schools. Back when I was in High School (Late 80's, early 90's) Army recriuters would pay their yearly visit to our school. Although my High School was a public school, it was in a reasonably affluent middle-class area, so the focus was more on officer careers, doing degrees thru ADFA (Similar to West Point), etc. As discussed previously, the recriuters set themselves up in a room & everyone was told where they were if we wanted to pay a visit. There was one occasion where a Blackhawk paid us a visit one afternoon, it made a very low approach & landed on our sports field! Turned out one of our guys had won a scholarship to the Defence Force Acadamy, so it was more of a PR visit.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:52 am

I am sick of hearing about this topic.

I have no problem with Military Recruiters coming to High School's to speak to students. While I was in High School (Graduated in 02) their was always recruiters on campus. I was also a Cadet/Major in Air Force JROTC which made their prescence greater. I had numerous conversations with military recruiters during High School and none of them tried to pressure me into signing up. They are here to explain future options and opportunaties. Basically, YOU are the one who decides to join or not.

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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:01 am

All kinds of people go. My friend's father, a doctor, who is in the guard was called up to be a navy surgeon.
My old probation officer was called up last month. She's in her mid 30's.

As for the young one's, they are historically some of the most willing to go. As long as its on a voluntary basis and not a draft what's the problem?
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:05 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
Is US military so desperate for soldiers?

Short of the draft; it always has been. Sorry this appears to be 'news' to you.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:13 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 41):
They should offer women. Cut down on the hassles of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".

that's horribly brilliant. i love you.

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 40):
They dont scrape the bottom of the barrel, really

yes, they do. you have your few exceptions where people turn it into a career decision and make wise choices surrounding it ... look at ancflyer. he had a plan and direction. he went from home boy to biggest bad ass on the final frontier. the others ... they're just sitting around waiting for a helping hand to make them feel good after many years of not hanging out with the pretty kids.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:13 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
Is US military so desperate for soldiers?

Well, yeah. You can blame whoever you want, but the fact is that this administration has gone around the world writing checks that the military can't cash. There simply aren't enough soldiers to go around.

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
A lot of the soldiers that have joined for Iraq
comes for poor families and areas in USA.

How many of the top US politicians and
CEO:s have children in Iraq? Not many...

There is an exception to every rule. And while there are many sons and daughters of privilege serving their country, the majority of those in uniform do come from lower socio-economic backgrounds.

I can testify to how this shakes out. I have worked in many, many high schools. Some rural, some urban, some white-collar suburban, and some that are solid blue collar. In the poorer schools the military recruiters work inside the schools, they are as much a part of the school culture as the biology teacher and the cafeteria lady. I have personally had to kick recruiters out of my classroom on more than one occasion because they thought they could just drop by in the middle of a lesson without asking for permission first. In the schools in wealthier areas not only are the recruiters not around every day, they don't show up...ever. You can't even find a brochure in the guidance office. And this is true in the old- money, limosuine liberal, hippie central kinds of schools as well as the exurban god, guns, and god again kinds of schools. The only things tying these kinds of schools together is that they both serve wealthy communities, and they never get visited by military recruiters.

While there is nothing stopping the wealthy kids from going down to their local recruiting office (although they sure won't find one in their neighborhood) there is something about the zeal with which military recruiters persue poorer kids that just doesn't sit right.

I believe that military service is necessary and noble both in times of war and times of peace. But our military should be reflective of our entire society, not just those on the lower end of the economic ladder.
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:22 am

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 48):
But our military should be reflective of our entire society, not just those on the lower end of the economic ladder.

Keep Dreaming. I also believe that the military has more of a lower class base because it offers a solid, guarnteed job thats pays better the longer you serve with free benefits as long as you are in. It offers a way out of the lower class life that most people wish they weren't in. I wish it wasnt true, but it is. I also truely believe that the from military total enlistemnt, 2% of those enlistees come from the upper class. There is no incentive for upper class students for joining. They dont need the job security and benefits because money isnt an objective. That is why I say "Keep Dreaming"

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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 49):
It offers a way out of the power class life that most people wish they weren't in.

Sort of like Pvt. Benjamin?
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:39 am

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 49):
I also believe that the military has more of a lower class base

Just because you believe it doesn't mean its true.
 
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting JAL777 (Reply 51):
Just because you believe it doesn't mean its true.

I never said it was fact, just something I think my be true. I am entitled to my own opinion?
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 49):
I also believe that the military has more of a lower class base because it offers a solid, guarnteed job thats pays better the longer you serve with free benefits as long as you are in.

And have you ever served in the military? Or have you done any extensive research on the issue? Or have you just pull this belief out your ***?

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 49):
I also truely believe that the from military total enlistemnt, 2% of those enlistees come from the upper class.

Source for this statistic, please?
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:51 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 50):
Sort of like Pvt. Benjamin?

No, I think he means like Pat Tillman. He had such a s****y life he had not choice but to join!
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RE: High School Recruiting Tu US Military...?

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 52):
I never said it was fact, just something I think my be true. I am entitled to my own opinion?


But it's already to be shown to be untrue... will your opinion change concurrently?

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